Found Deceased Malaysia - Nora Quoirin, 15, from UK, special needs, missing on vacation, Seremban, 4 Aug 2019 #6

[Cascadia Mount]

The only mystery if find is why her parents overstated her disabilities and why they would not allow the siblings to be interviewed?

Yes, one of them is aged 12, plenty old enough to be interviewed, they weren't babies like Madeleine McCann's brother and sister.. Kids notice things that adults don't.

 

[jslk]

This is giving me brain ache in exactly the same way it did last summer.

Nora's walking ability being significantly better than stated would seem to explain a lot - walking down the spiral stairs, climbing out of the window, walking around the local area. But theres so much besides that is mystifying. She went to see the deer by herself?! Totally inconsistent with the initial account.

Where did her clothes end up? Hard to imagine a scenario where they washed away without getting caught on something etc.

It's agonising that she was still out there and alive while the search took place. It does make me wonder if she was being concealed somewhere. MOO

 

[Ruthbullock]

We know Nora was alive for the first six days, there was a possible sighting of her swimming (I can’t remember which day that was). She was found 10 minutes away in a river- the same river or a different river to the possible sighting. Wish we could have a proper map to put everything partially into perspective. I know they did maps of the different search areas as well at the beginning- I would be curious to see the search areas in relation to everything else.
With regard shamans- I would dismiss them no more than I would dismiss psychics- sometimes they are very close to the truth.
On this forum the local area is often talked about like it is the back of beyond or very rural with lack of communication between villages and lone huts etc- I previously talked about how one of my closest friends teaches over in KL and is very involved with the rotary club- the area where the resort is and surrounding areas whilst jungle are on the outskirts of a major town. People in these villages are well educated and often bilingual- I suppose it is in terms of our country commuter belt territory. Images of random huts where she was hidden, although possible, IMO are a bit far fetched. They had a sex offenders register and went to visit each person to check for involvement. The country may not be as affluent as the UK, but the area where Nora went missing is not a backwater our in the sticks place either.
With regards her undergarments- without being offensive I would have thought they were only knickers and if she soiled them, you would just remove them- if you do not feel self conscious or understand the social expectations of walking around in your underwear outside, then it is unlikely you would feel self conscious or aware of removing them and being naked IMO

 

[evilwise]

Where there's a shaman, there's a tribe.

 

[Officer Dibble]

The only mystery if find is why her parents overstated her disabilities and why they would not allow the siblings to be interviewed?

How old were the siblings at the time?

 

[Officer Dibble]

Where there's a shaman, there's a tribe.

good point

 

[Officer Dibble]

We know Nora was alive for the first six days, there was a possible sighting of her swimming (I can’t remember which day that was). She was found 10 minutes away in a river- the same river or a different river to the possible sighting. Wish we could have a proper map to put everything partially into perspective. I know they did maps of the different search areas as well at the beginning- I would be curious to see the search areas in relation to everything else.
With regard shamans- I would dismiss them no more than I would dismiss psychics- sometimes they are very close to the truth.
On this forum the local area is often talked about like it is the back of beyond or very rural with lack of communication between villages and lone huts etc- I previously talked about how one of my closest friends teaches over in KL and is very involved with the rotary club- the area where the resort is and surrounding areas whilst jungle are on the outskirts of a major town. People in these villages are well educated and often bilingual- I suppose it is in terms of our country commuter belt territory. Images of random huts where she was hidden, although possible, IMO are a bit far fetched. They had a sex offenders register and went to visit each person to check for involvement. The country may not be as affluent as the UK, but the area where Nora went missing is not a backwater our in the sticks place either.

Or you can get them down to go to the toilet but you can't get them up again, especially if its hot and sweaty
With regards her undergarments- without being offensive I would have thought they were only knickers and if she soiled them, you would just remove them- if you do not feel self conscious or understand the social expectations of walking around in your underwear outside, then it is unlikely you would feel self conscious or aware of removing them and being naked IMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

I'm not making any claims to be an expert but I made a pretty extensive study of (American) shamanism when I was younger and in just the last couple years I've had a passing interest in Indonesian folklore which I assume is fairly similar to Malaysian

That's why I've said numerous times that I wouldn't be at all surprised if the indigenous or just more superstitious locals saw her as a supernatural creature to be very cautious of.

One other theory I've had that I haven't voiced until now is that it might also have been a possibility that a local may have with good intentions or at least no malice taken her in as we might take in an injured animal. When you take in an injured animal you often will believe that it's fine and safe but it's actually so disrupted from its natural environment that after a few days it just dies. This may very well have been what happened with a developmentally handicapped girl taken into a hut by people speaking another language and offered food she had never seen before. It also wouldn't surprise me if after their "guest" had died that they might carefully wash her body and take her back to the place they found her or a place with spiritual significance.

Evilwise you make some really interesting points here. Thanks.

If this is the case it would be especially tragic and show yet another breakdown in communications with the locals not understanding that she was being looked for and that a reward was offered, maybe just because that information was never conveyed to them in a way they would understand.

 

[Clair Louise]

How old were the siblings at the time?

One was 12.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Where there's a shaman, there's a tribe.

Yes there is- but it’s not mud huts in the jungle- it’s commuter villages with schools and corner shops like you see in the UK.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Negeri Sembilan - Wikipedia

 

[evilwise]

Yes there is- but it’s not mud huts in the jungle- it’s commuter villages with schools and corner shops like you see in the UK.

I'm sorry if you took offense at the word "huts". I took a virtual walk around the parts of the community there's street view data for and basically all of the construction is cinder block or earthen brick and metal roofing - some of the areas very nearest to the nature preserve are fairly ramshackle.

There are plenty of roads that the street view doesn't reach, dirt roads visible in the distance and three different interesting looking drives off the road leading to Dusun before it ceases to be viewable (and after what is clearly a community trash burn location): A narrow but paved road leading over a railed bridge, a dirt drive going over and down a hill with a ramshackle covered sitting area beside it and a cement paved, gated private drive leading up and back into the hills with actual utility poles erected along it.

I'm not sure if Nora would have been any more inclined to eat if she was being kept in a cement shack than a mud hut, or if people who have mopeds in addition to shamans can be assumed to not hold animistic beliefs.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I'm sorry if you took offense at the word "huts". I took a virtual walk around the parts of the community there's street view data for and basically all of the construction is cinder block or earthen brick and metal roofing - some of the areas very nearest to the nature preserve are fairly ramshackle.

There are plenty of roads that the street view doesn't reach, dirt roads visible in the distance and three different interesting looking drives off the road leading to Dusun before it ceases to be viewable (and after what is clearly a community trash burn location): A narrow but paved road leading over a railed bridge, a dirt drive going over and down a hill with a ramshackle covered sitting area beside it and a cement paved, gated private drive leading up and back into the hills with actual utility poles erected along it.

I'm not sure if Nora would have been any more inclined to eat if she was being kept in a cement shack than a mud hut, or if people who have mopeds in addition to shamans can be assumed to not hold animistic beliefs.

No offence taken, but you are missing my point- it’s sort of the Malaysian equivalent to Yorkshire. Lots of countryside, but even the people in the countryside still access facilities in the townships.

 

[evilwise]

No offence taken, but you are missing my point- it’s sort of the Malaysian equivalent to Yorkshire. Lots of countryside, but even the people in the countryside still access facilities in the townships.

Does Yorkshire really have a lot of Shamans or I guess the British equivalent would be Druids? I don't know, I've never been. Have you been to Seremban?

 

[crhedBngr]

Nora Quoirin was ‘still alive and moving’ during search in Malaysian jungle
This wasn’t the original source, they are tagged upthread, but yet another source. The Malaysian news reports had even more details- not only was she seen walking normally between different areas of the airport, but she was also holding and moving her own suitcases.

RBBM

And the above proves . . . what??

Walking through an airport on a smooth, level surface can't be compared to stumbling over roots and unforeseen hazards on a jungle path, especially at night.

They are comparing apples to oranges here.

JMVHO.

 

[Ruthbullock]

Does Yorkshire really have a lot of Shamans or I guess the British equivalent would be Druids? I don't know, I've never been. Have you been to Seremban?

No but as I said my best friend teaches in an international school there and supports the lions at seremban and has done for the last five years since we moved in different directions from our teaching posts in Germany. I also have two other friends who teach there. All talk about their lives and I have talked to them multiple times, all share photos of their daily lives on SM. I would still say the British equivalent is a psychic and yes we have lots of them in Yorkshire.
If you look at some of the initial posts last summer, I shared some of the local
Lions links.

 

[Chiatos]

I'm not making any claims to be an expert but I made a pretty extensive study of (American) shamanism when I was younger and in just the last couple years I've had a passing interest in Indonesian folklore which I assume is fairly similar to Malaysian

That's why I've said numerous times that I wouldn't be at all surprised if the indigenous or just more superstitious locals saw her as a supernatural creature to be very cautious of.

One other theory I've had that I haven't voiced until now is that it might also have been a possibility that a local may have with good intentions or at least no malice taken her in as we might take in an injured animal. When you take in an injured animal you often will believe that it's fine and safe but it's actually so disrupted from its natural environment that after a few days it just dies. This may very well have been what happened with a developmentally handicapped girl taken into a hut by people speaking another language and offered food she had never seen before. It also wouldn't surprise me if after their "guest" had died that they might carefully wash her body and take her back to the place they found her or a place with spiritual significance.

If this is the case it would be especially tragic and show yet another breakdown in communications with the locals not understanding that she was being looked for and that a reward was offered, maybe just because that information was never conveyed to them in a way they would understand.

This also crossed my mind and why not just tell the truth?
The genie is a local.
The indigenous should understand that the girl has parents looking for her.
Indigenous have children of their own so they should understand.
But we don't know for certain if this is the case of nora's disappearance.

 

[Cascadia Mount]

How old were the siblings at the time?

twelve and eight

 

[Cascadia Mount]

We know Nora was alive for the first six days, there was a possible sighting of her swimming (I can’t remember which day that was). She was found 10 minutes away in a river- the same river or a different river to the possible sighting. Wish we could have a proper map to put everything partially into perspective. I know they did maps of the different search areas as well at the beginning- I would be curious to see the search areas in relation to everything else.
With regard shamans- I would dismiss them no more than I would dismiss psychics- sometimes they are very close to the truth.
On this forum the local area is often talked about like it is the back of beyond or very rural with lack of communication between villages and lone huts etc- I previously talked about how one of my closest friends teaches over in KL and is very involved with the rotary club- the area where the resort is and surrounding areas whilst jungle are on the outskirts of a major town. People in these villages are well educated and often bilingual- I suppose it is in terms of our country commuter belt territory. Images of random huts where she was hidden, although possible, IMO are a bit far fetched. They had a sex offenders register and went to visit each person to check for involvement. The country may not be as affluent as the UK, but the area where Nora went missing is not a backwater our in the sticks place either.
With regards her undergarments- without being offensive I would have thought they were only knickers and if she soiled them, you would just remove them- if you do not feel self conscious or understand the social expectations of walking around in your underwear outside, then it is unlikely you would feel self conscious or aware of removing them and being naked IMO

I don't think we do know that. Do you know where there was a report of Nora swimming? I don't think that has been corroberated.

 

[Ruthbullock]

I don't think we do know that. Do you know where there was a report of Nora swimming? I don't think that has been corroberated.

As we don’t know what she did, we will never know for certain. The report was by the police from a witness- it was mentioned in the early days in all the press articles and I thought it was also brought up on this inquest, but could be wrong.
'White woman' spotted swimming in river close to where Nora Quoirin vanished