Many People Believe Darlie Needs a New Trial, Discuss it Here.

[beesy]

First Jules, I did not say she was not guilty. I only said she deserves a new trial. Why? First, there is much evidence of errors on the part of the prosecutors and the police that were NOT addressed. First question, I have is after 1 year how can a detective remember all the evidence on the scene and all the stories about what was actually said by each witness (he had no written notes per his testimony). Sure, Darlie had several stories, but that alone does NOT make someone guilty of murder-it makes them a liar, and also a better SUSPECT, but does not make someone a murderer. She may be, but shouldn't the EVIDENCE be accurate and directly prove beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT that no one else was involved before sending someone to DEATH. Could it be Darrin did it? Could there have been an intruder-evidence here points that someone else may have been in the house-but who knows? I do not, because the evidence and DNA analysis of it has been denied by the judge. Let's suppose the DNA of this evidence was that of a felon who was in the area on that particular night and owns a dark sedan-Would this mean that she may be innocent or would you say she is still guilty? If you say she is still guilty than you obviously have no doubt about her guilt. But, if after seeing the results of this evidence they name a felon who had matching DNA and drove a dark colored vehicle (as neighbors saw this vehicle too) would you have doubts? If so, then you would have to say she deserves another trial. But, to refuse testing of this evidence by the state shows NO intent to find the truth, only to punish a person convicted without searching for the truth. THIS IS WRONG!!
I also have one big question that really bothers me, and that is a sock with Darlie's saliva and blood was found 70 yards from the scene. Now, Darlie was on the phone with 911 for the 2 minutes it took the police officer to get there, and the doctors said with the injuries Damon had, he would have survived about 3 minutes (lack of Oxygen as lungs were punctured and not working). Now, that leaves Darlie a maximum of 1 minute to do all the things to set up the scene. Hmmm? If she is guilty there is another involved-time factor alone shows that.

You have so many facts wrong it is nearly impossible to even debate this with you. Nobody, besides her camp, has ever used the timeline you have here. LE has never said she cut herself and staged the scene, all while Damon was still alive, before she made that 911 call. That timeline won't work. So even though LE has never suggested that's what she did, her supporters latch onto that timeline as a sign of her innocence, which is, and I quote Mary456 here, bullpoopy! It is most likely that she stabbed the boys, believed Damon to be dead, went about her business, called 911 because her neck bled more than she thought it would, at some point while on the phone, over 5 mins. by the way, realized Damon was alive and delivered the fatal blow. It was stated that Damon could have lived AFTER the final fatal wound for up to 8 mins. Therefore, the timeline doesn't even begin until a little bit into her 911 call. When LE arrived, Damon was still alive and she was still on the damn phone, not helping him. Also the blood seen thru the use of Luminol on the counter was in a swirl pattern, indicative of wiping up the blood, not spilling.

 

[beesy]

For instance, a pubic hair that does not belong to anyone who lives in the house. Isn't that strange?Or is this normal

First of all a pubic hair was not found! Darlie had no semen on her mouth or privates. There were skin cells found in the sock of hers, not saliva. Secondly, IF an unidentified pubic hair had been found, why does that relate to the crime? The only way it would relate is if it had been on Darlie. Even if found on the sofa, it proves nothing. They would not have tested everybody who had been in that house which is the only reason it wouldn't be indentified. Since there is proof she wasn't raped, there would be no reason for an intruder to shed a pubic hair! And another thing: I've read that a deer hair was on the sock and somewhere else that it was limb hair! Neither is true.

Why Also, 3-5 minutes before Damon dies=let's do the numbers on the phone with 911 for 2 minutes, that leaves at the most 3 minutes to cut herself, kill the two boys, run the sock outside,clean the counter and sink, and make the mess you describe.

Your facts are wrong and your timeline is screwed. Read my other post about the timeline. She was on the phone for over 5 mins! Why would she kill the boys and cut herself after she called 911 anyway? She had no reason to call them at that point before she killed them. There was no mess! A table was turned over and a lamp shade crooked, that takes about a second to do.

Now, I am NOT saying she was alone I am saying that someone ELSE would have had to be involved to accomplish all these things

That is ridiculous, once again because your facts are wrong and your timeline is screwed.

I never mentioned the screen cutting as I already though like you.

LE said the screen had to be held in place in order to cut it. Remember the small paper cut type cuts on Darlie's fingers? Well, there ya go! Also there was a fiber that matched the screen found on the bread knife. How would an intruder have been able to get into the house? How did he cut the screen without going into the house first to get the bread knife? Why put it back and get the butcher knife? Why not keep the bread knife with you? It doesn't fit! Talk it to death, you can't make it fit.

Did the dog bark at the police officer when he arrived? I don't know as I never heard the question asked. I only heard people say is the dog barked at strangers. Was the dog drugged in advance? Did Darrin set the whole thing up with another person? Therre are many questions that need answering.[/

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the dog was upstairs while all of this was going on. He went berserk when the cops went upstairs. Why the hell would anybody drug the dog?
Yes, you need to look at your own questions and if you use your brain, the answers are right there!

 

[beesy]

A couple of little cuts that barely even bled (as Darlie had) are more in line with a hand slipping off the handle and onto the blade as they are doing the stabbing. As I recall, the little cuts were lined right up with the joints in the fingers. No evidence at all of typical defense wounds.

When your hand slips down the knife, which is common, it cuts the palm. Remember OJ..ahem...crushing the glass when he heard about Nicole?
I think Darlie got those cuts from holding the screen in place while she cut it

 

[Mary456]

When your hand slips down the knife, which is common, it cuts the palm. Remember OJ..ahem...crushing the glass when he heard about Nicole?
I think Darlie got those cuts from holding the screen in place while she cut it

OMG, you've done it again. I've never heard anyone suggest that, but it makes so much sense. Regardless of which cut was made first (horizontal or vertical), she would have had to steady the cut edge of the screen with her left hand at some point.

That could easily explain the slight scratches on the inside of her left hand.

 

[Mary456]

A couple of little cuts that barely even bled (as Darlie had) are more in line with a hand slipping off the handle and onto the blade as they are doing the stabbing. As I recall, the little cuts were lined right up with the joints in the fingers. No evidence at all of typical defense wounds.

On this we disagree, for three reasons:

1. Darlie was right handed, so she would have been stabbing with her right hand. The little cuts were on the joints of her left hand.

2. Even if she stabbed with her left hand (very unlikely) and it slipped down onto the blade, the only finger that might have come in contact with the sharp edge would be her thumb, and it would probably have been deeply cut. Her middle and ring finger, where the little cuts were, would have slid along the dull side of the knife.

3. When I envision someone's hand (right or left) accidentally slipping onto the blade of a knife, I see deep cuts to the palm of the hand & possibly the thumb. Not little scratches to the joints, which is why I think Beesy is right. Those cuts were probaby the result of Darlie grabbing the cut edges of the screen with her left hand when she cut it.

But we certainly agree on one thing, Goody. No way, no how were they defensive wounds.

 

[beesy]

OMG, you've done it again. I've never heard anyone suggest that, but it makes so much sense. Regardless of which cut was made first (horizontal or vertical), she would have had to steady the cut edge of the screen with her left hand at some point.

That could easily explain the slight scratches on the inside of her left hand.

Thank you! The theory was mentioned briefly in one of my books, but I've never heard anybody else talk about it. It makes sense to me though, Miss Mary.

 

[Dani_T]

OMG, you've done it again. I've never heard anyone suggest that, but it makes so much sense. Regardless of which cut was made first (horizontal or vertical), she would have had to steady the cut edge of the screen with her left hand at some point.

That could easily explain the slight scratches on the inside of her left hand.

Hmm... are you suggesting the knife cut her hand or the screen cut her hand?

I don't see how the screen could cut (or even scratch) her hand really. They aren't tough at all.

 

[beesy]

Hmm... are you suggesting the knife cut her hand or the screen cut her hand?

I don't see how the screen could cut (or even scratch) her hand really. They aren't tough at all.

The screen. No, they aren't hard, but it would have been ragged. Seemed like a good thought
What's with all the cat/dog cages?

 

[Cowgirl]

When your hand slips down the knife, which is common, it cuts the palm. Remember OJ..ahem...crushing the glass when he heard about Nicole?
I think Darlie got those cuts from holding the screen in place while she cut it

Perhaps, but the screens on the newer homes are just plastic screening material, not metal. They usually "roll" up or away when they are cut too, and don't require much manipulation to open them.

On the subject of a new trial: one does not get a new trial because of the way a cop recalled details. One gets a new trial when a judge decides there was a procedural error in the first one. So far, no dice.

 

[Mary456]

Hmm... are you suggesting the knife cut her hand or the screen cut her hand?

I don't see how the screen could cut (or even scratch) her hand really. They aren't tough at all.

Hey, Dani! I've never believed that the butcher knife caused those teeny tiny scratches on her left hand, which left me with a couple of options:

1. The scratches were actually paper cuts & weren't connected to the crime at all, which is certainly possible.

2. The scratches resulted from Darlie grabbing the ragged edge of the screen. Linch said the horizontal slice in the screen was made first, and then it would have to be restabilized, with her left hand, in order to make the vertical slice. Depending on how tightly she grabbed the exposed fiberglass or maybe her hand slid along the edge, I think it's possible that the screen caused the scratches.

 

[beesy]

Hey, Dani! I've never believed that the butcher knife caused those teeny tiny scratches on her left hand, which left me with a couple of options:

1. The scratches were actually paper cuts & weren't connected to the crime at all, which is certainly possible.

2. The scratches resulted from Darlie grabbing the ragged edge of the screen. Linch said the horizontal slice in the screen was made first, and then it would have to be restabilized, with her left hand, in order to make the vertical slice. Depending on how tightly she grabbed the exposed fiberglass or maybe her hand slid along the edge, I think it's possible that the screen caused the scratches.

yeah, he(was it Linch) said the screen had to be held taunt in order to cut it. So in doing that, there might have been enough exposed edge to mark her fingers. Do you think she'd tell anybody if they were just paper cuts or just let us wonder...

 

[Dani_T]

Hey, Dani! I've never believed that the butcher knife caused those teeny tiny scratches on her left hand, which left me with a couple of options:

1. The scratches were actually paper cuts & weren't connected to the crime at all, which is certainly possible.

2. The scratches resulted from Darlie grabbing the ragged edge of the screen. Linch said the horizontal slice in the screen was made first, and then it would have to be restabilized, with her left hand, in order to make the vertical slice. Depending on how tightly she grabbed the exposed fiberglass or maybe her hand slid along the edge, I think it's possible that the screen caused the scratches.

Dont have time to look right now myself so where are the cuts on her hands? On the palms or near/on the fingers?

 

[accordn2me]

Dont have time to look right now myself so where are the cuts on her hands? On the palms or near/on the fingers?

http://justicefordarlie.net/galleries/galleries.php

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starting at the fingertips, there are very light cuts in the crease of the first knuckle of her middle finger, ring finger, and thumb. I believe Dr. Dillawn was asked something about it in his testimony.

See, I have been doing my homework.

 

[Dani_T]

http://justicefordarlie.net/galleries/galleries.php

gallery 8 picture 2

starting at the fingertips, there are very light cuts in the crease of the first knuckle of her middle finger, ring finger, and thumb. I believe Dr. Dillawn was asked something about it in his testimony.

See, I have been doing my homework.

Just checked in MTJD and I honestly still don't see how she could have gotten those small cuts from holding the screen. Not even because I doubt the screen could have made them (which I still do) but also because of the location of them. To have gotten them from the screen she would have had to have her fingers hooked over the horizontal cut edge of the screen with only the first knuckle only... and then her thumb could not have been on the same angle to have had gotten a cut in the knuckle crease as well. Her thumb would have been on an akward angle at the side.

Next question is- when was that photo taken? Looks to me as if it was taken at the police station rather than the hospital (?). If so then I don't see how the 'cuts' could have come from the crime. Who get's paper cuts which are red like that 4 days later?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Just checked in MTJD and I honestly still don't see how she could have gotten those small cuts from holding the screen. Not even because I doubt the screen could have made them (which I still do) but also because of the location of them. To have gotten them from the screen she would have had to have her fingers hooked over the horizontal cut edge of the screen with only the first knuckle only... and then her thumb could not have been on the same angle to have had gotten a cut in the knuckle crease as well. Her thumb would have been on an akward angle at the side.

Next question is- when was that photo taken? Looks to me as if it was taken at the police station rather than the hospital (?). If so then I don't see how the 'cuts' could have come from the crime. Who get's paper cuts which are red like that 4 days later?

They're cuts in the same way that she sliced her neck. Looks to me like she held a knife in her hand and slowly closed it around the knife just enough to make some marks. No big deal.

 

[Mary456]

Dani: "Just checked in MTJD and I honestly still don't see how she could have gotten those small cuts from holding the screen. . To have gotten them from the screen she would have had to have her fingers hooked over the horizontal cut edge of the screen with only the first knuckle only... and then her thumb could not have been on the same angle to have had gotten a cut in the knuckle crease as well. Her thumb would have been on an akward angle at the side"

I see your point, especially about the thumb. Well, we know for sure that Darlie had the scratches in the hospital, because both Wielgosz and Campbell testified about them. Campbell described them as looking like paper cuts & said they were already scabbed over on the evening of 6/6...no redness, no oozing.

Dani: "Next question is- when was that photo taken? Looks to me as if it was taken at the police station rather than the hospital (?). If so then I don't see how the 'cuts' could have come from the crime. Who get's paper cuts which are red like that 4 days later?"

I'm pretty sure it was taken at the police station on 6/10. If they were already scabbed over on 6/6, as Campbell said, perhaps they were totally unrelated to the crime. Who knows? Maybe Darlie got in a fight with that ferocious cat they kept in the family room. You know, the one who didn't make a sound while the intruder was killing the boys :waitasec:

 

[beesy]

I'm pretty sure it was taken at the police station on 6/10. If they were already scabbed over on 6/6, as Campbell said, perhaps they were totally unrelated to the crime. Who knows? Maybe Darlie got in a fight with that ferocious cat they kept in the family room. You know, the one who didn't make a sound while the intruder was killing the boys

:waitasec:
Do you think it'd have scabbed anyway? I'm still going with my screen theory. Was it Cowgirl who said new screens roll, which is why the person would have had to hold it taunt in order to cut it. Somebody experiment with it. Go to Lowe's and cut a screen tee hee....
Yes, the cat! It scared the whoo-hoo out of Waddell, yet Darlie never mentions hearing it wail while she and her kids were being attacked. Of course, there was no intruder so nobody to scream at til it saw Waddell. It was in a cage behind the sofa? They had tons of cat and dog cages in the garage. Why? Nothing to do with the crimes, but how many cages to you need? More excess.

 

[Goody]

On this we disagree, for three reasons:

1. Darlie was right handed, so she would have been stabbing with her right hand. The little cuts were on the joints of her left hand.

2. Even if she stabbed with her left hand (very unlikely) and it slipped down onto the blade, the only finger that might have come in contact with the sharp edge would be her thumb, and it would probably have been deeply cut. Her middle and ring finger, where the little cuts were, would have slid along the dull side of the knife.

3. When I envision someone's hand (right or left) accidentally slipping onto the blade of a knife, I see deep cuts to the palm of the hand & possibly the thumb. Not little scratches to the joints, which is why I think Beesy is right. Those cuts were probaby the result of Darlie grabbing the cut edges of the screen with her left hand when she cut it.

But we certainly agree on one thing, Goody. No way, no how were they defensive wounds.

They were definitely not defensive wounds. Maybe they were just paper cuts. The kind you get when someone snatches a paper out of your hands. It could have happened when she and Darin were arguing. Wonder what document might cause that kind of reaction from him? Since her hands have the cuts, he is the obvious one who would have been doing the snatching, hmm....

 

[Goody]

Next question is- when was that photo taken? Looks to me as if it was taken at the police station rather than the hospital (?). If so then I don't see how the 'cuts' could have come from the crime. Who get's paper cuts which are red like that 4 days later?

Excellent point, Dani. Agreed. So maybe Darin snatched a document out of Darlie's hand after she got home from the hospital. Why would he do that? And what could the document have been?

 

[Goody]

They're cuts in the same way that she sliced her neck. Looks to me like she held a knife in her hand and slowly closed it around the knife just enough to make some marks. No big deal.

O, I disagree, Jeana. Those cuts are more incriminating to Darlie than helpful. I think she didn't want us to know how they got there and used them later to the best of her ability to support her story...or weaved them into her story to explain them away. But I don't think she made those cuts deliberately. Besides, as Dani pointed out, the photos were taken at the police station. If the cuts had occurred on the 6th, they would not be red anylonger on the 10th. Whatever caused them must have happened after her release from the hospital.