Many People Believe Darlie Needs a New Trial, Discuss it Here.

[Goody]

They're cuts in the same way that she sliced her neck. Looks to me like she held a knife in her hand and slowly closed it around the knife just enough to make some marks. No big deal.

Another interesting thing about Darlie, she never offers an explanation for any injury by saying it occurred after the murders. Not a single bruise or scratch. She weaves all of them into her story.

 

[Goody]

Dani: "Just checked in MTJD and I honestly still don't see how she could have gotten those small cuts from holding the screen. . To have gotten them from the screen she would have had to have her fingers hooked over the horizontal cut edge of the screen with only the first knuckle only... and then her thumb could not have been on the same angle to have had gotten a cut in the knuckle crease as well. Her thumb would have been on an akward angle at the side"

I see your point, especially about the thumb. Well, we know for sure that Darlie had the scratches in the hospital, because both Wielgosz and Campbell testified about them. Campbell described them as looking like paper cuts & said they were already scabbed over on the evening of 6/6...no redness, no oozing.

Dani: "Next question is- when was that photo taken? Looks to me as if it was taken at the police station rather than the hospital (?). If so then I don't see how the 'cuts' could have come from the crime. Who get's paper cuts which are red like that 4 days later?"

I'm pretty sure it was taken at the police station on 6/10. If they were already scabbed over on 6/6, as Campbell said, perhaps they were totally unrelated to the crime. Who knows? Maybe Darlie got in a fight with that ferocious cat they kept in the family room. You know, the one who didn't make a sound while the intruder was killing the boys :waitasec:

Well, now this changes things. If the nurses noticed them and they are still red on the 10th, they must have been deeper than we were assuming. That might mean that they were caused by a knife blade. I am going back to the drawing board on this one.

 

[Goody]

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Do you think it'd have scabbed anyway? I'm still going with my screen theory. Was it Cowgirl who said new screens roll, which is why the person would have had to hold it taunt in order to cut it. Somebody experiment with it. Go to Lowe's and cut a screen tee hee....

The screens are a nylon mesh, aren't they? I think they are quite soft and not likely to scratch someone/

Yes, the cat! It scared the whoo-hoo out of Waddell, yet Darlie never mentions hearing it wail while she and her kids were being attacked. Of course, there was no intruder so nobody to scream at til it saw Waddell. It was in a cage behind the sofa?

Yes, that was a wild cat. I am surprised they didn't make more of it at the trial. Big red flag for me. The wild cat just seemed to get lost in the shuffle but it was an important detail and really pointed to Darlie's guilt and Darin's too if one believes he could not have slept thru all the screeching, which should have had the dog barking, too. That is a lot of noise not to hear...kids screaming, cat screeching, and dog barking.

They had tons of cat and dog cages in the garage. Why? Nothing to do with the crimes, but how many cages to you need? More excess.

They were going to be dog and cat breeders. Another sideline business. Like the boat, they bought it to do tours on the lake, but that bombed. They were left with no business and a boat that needed repair. They were always the entreapeneurs. Always thinking of new ways to make money.

 

[Dani_T]

Excellent point, Dani. Agreed. So maybe Darin snatched a document out of Darlie's hand after she got home from the hospital. Why would he do that? And what could the document have been?

Goodness knows.

I still maintain though to get cuts on those two finger creases AND on the thumb crease at one time would entail a very strange hand formation.

 

[beesy]

Goodness knows.

I still maintain though to get cuts on those two finger creases AND on the thumb crease at one time would entail a very strange hand formation.

She's a strange woman, maybe she has strange hand formations...tee hee...I don't know about those little cuts either, although a snatching of paper work sounds good too...Darlie, Darlie, Darlie....

 

[beesy]

Goody Yes, that was a wild cat. I am surprised they didn't make more of it at the trial. Big red flag for me. The wild cat just seemed to get lost in the shuffle but it was an important detail and really pointed to Darlie's guilt and Darin's too if one believes he could not have slept thru all the screeching, which should have had the dog barking, too. That is a lot of noise not to hear...kids screaming, cat screeching, and dog barking.

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BIG RED FLAG!!

They were going to be dog and cat breeders. Another sideline business. Like the boat, they bought it to do tours on the lake, but that bombed. They were left with no business and a boat that needed repair. They were always the entreapeneurs. Always thinking of new ways to make money.

Forever trying to make a buck or scam a buck! Thanks

 

[Goody]

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BIG RED FLAG!!

Forever trying to make a buck or scam a buck! Thanks

I don't think they were true scam artists. That was just Darin's answer when he got his back up against a wall. The same with him padding bills at the computer business, as Basia claimed. It was easier for him to cheat than to cut back or hound his clients for payment. Just like always looking for another business to start, it was easier to do that than cut back. They were very definitely materialistic and if there is a motive that makes sense in this case, I would not be surprised to learn that it had to do with that part of their makeup.

 

[Goody]

Goodness knows.

I still maintain though to get cuts on those two finger creases AND on the thumb crease at one time would entail a very strange hand formation.

Well, maybe not if we could figure out what she was holding when it happened. It was her right hand, wasn't it? The cuts were on her first knuckle, palm side of the middle finger, ring finger, and thumb. So think, Dani....the little finger might have not been in the exact position and just got missed, but how do we explain that first finger not being cut? You are a smart girl. I am counting on you.

 

[Dani_T]

Well, maybe not if we could figure out what she was holding when it happened. It was her right hand, wasn't it? The cuts were on her first knuckle, palm side of the middle finger, ring finger, and thumb. So think, Dani....the little finger might have not been in the exact position and just got missed, but how do we explain that first finger not being cut? You are a smart girl. I am counting on you.

The pressure!

Only thing I can think of is if she was holding the corner of something or she was holding a CD or something like that.

But I honestly am not sure it means a lot anyway. Small papercuts can happen in innumerable ways and if the photo was taken on the 10th June then I don't see that it can be tied to the crime scene or more correctly cover up of it anyway (without admitting it is absolutely pure speculation).

We know some major trauma happened to her arms because of the photos in the station vs the photos and testimony of the nurses so it is not out of the realm of possibility that the cuts were done deliberately as well.

But it is all speculation and I really doubt it holds a big clue to the case.

 

[kelizabeth]

I am a newbie but I thought I would put my 2 cents in, lol. I think Darin is in this lock stock and barrel! I think he and Darlie were being drowned in debt, they didnt want to give up their lifestyles and the kids were bogging them down. Certainley Darlie had to have the best of the best, best house, best hubby and the best and most jewelry (just look at whats on the counter in the pics! I believe Darin cut Darlie because she is too much a coward to do it herself. Both were involved with the stabbing and staging. For some inexplicable reason, they decided Darlie would take the fall (insurance?) but something went wrong. Darlie has stuff on Darin, but Darin has more on Darlie, hence no negativity towards Darin. JMO

 

[Goody]

I am a newbie but I thought I would put my 2 cents in, lol. I think Darin is in this lock stock and barrel! I think he and Darlie were being drowned in debt, they didnt want to give up their lifestyles and the kids were bogging them down. Certainley Darlie had to have the best of the best, best house, best hubby and the best and most jewelry (just look at whats on the counter in the pics! I believe Darin cut Darlie because she is too much a coward to do it herself. Both were involved with the stabbing and staging. For some inexplicable reason, they decided Darlie would take the fall (insurance?) but something went wrong. Darlie has stuff on Darin, but Darin has more on Darlie, hence no negativity towards Darin. JMO

You make some interesting theories. Do you think that they thought a story painting themselves as victims of tragic loss could be cultivated into big bucks via book/film deals?

 

[Goody]

We know some major trauma happened to her arms because of the photos in the station vs the photos and testimony of the nurses so it is not out of the realm of possibility that the cuts were done deliberately as well.

But it is all speculation and I really doubt it holds a big clue to the case.

I don't know how big the clue might be, but until we know what caused the cuts, it is impossible to really judge their importance. I doubt though that it would contribute anything more than just another piece to the puzzle, but Goody wants to know anyway.

I really can't imagine why she barely cut herself in such an odd place on only three fingers. That sounds like too much detail for Darlie. Actually, I tend to think that the ONLY cut she deliberately made to herself was the neck wound. I think everything else occurred in the attack on the kids or possibly in a struggle with Darin if he did not play a role in the actual planning/stabbings. That is all debatable, however. Goody's views could most definitely change with new insights or evidence.

 

[beesy]

I don't know how big the clue might be, but until we know what caused the cuts, it is impossible to really judge their importance. I doubt though that it would contribute anything more than just another piece to the puzzle, but Goody wants to know anyway.

I really can't imagine why she barely cut herself in such an odd place on only three fingers. That sounds like too much detail for Darlie. Actually, I tend to think that the ONLY cut she deliberately made to herself was the neck wound. I think everything else occurred in the attack on the kids or possibly in a struggle with Darin if he did not play a role in the actual planning/stabbings. That is all debatable, however. Goody's views could most definitely change with new insights or evidence.

Maybe she was cut with the fingernail file when she was getting her nails all purdy for the camera All jokes aside Goody, I think it's important too. Every little thing is...those are the things overlooked sometimes which end up proving a theory. I still like my screen theory although I know the rest of you don't....

 

[Goody]

Maybe she was cut with the fingernail file when she was getting her nails all purdy for the camera All jokes aside Goody, I think it's important too. Every little thing is...those are the things overlooked sometimes which end up proving a theory. I still like my screen theory although I know the rest of you don't....

I am just not sure the new screens can cut the way you envision to create the cuts we have to account for. I guess it is possible. I am just not sure.

Another thing about screens, a couple of oddities about Darin. He walked thru the house to the garage to see the cut screen after Darlie left in the ambulance and before he went to the hospital. Then approx 6 months later, he showed up at his old house on Bond Street just a few days before the trial was to start, supposedly to look at the screens. He said more than a few things to incriminate Darlie in a conversation with the new resident and never satisfactorily explained why he thought the screens at the old house might be cut, too. So I am wondering if he didn't cut the screen and take a trip back to the old house to see if any of his handiwork might have been left on the screens there. That T-cut was distinctive. Or maybe he really is innocent and went to see if any of Darlie's handiwork had been left behind, maybe from a day she'd been locked out. Whatever his motives, I believe he was looking for anything that might incriminate them or trip him up with perjurious statements. These two things he did stick in my mind and nip at me every once in awhile.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

O, I disagree, Jeana. Those cuts are more incriminating to Darlie than helpful. I think she didn't want us to know how they got there and used them later to the best of her ability to support her story...or weaved them into her story to explain them away. But I don't think she made those cuts deliberately. Besides, as Dani pointed out, the photos were taken at the police station. If the cuts had occurred on the 6th, they would not be red anylonger on the 10th. Whatever caused them must have happened after her release from the hospital.

You're right, but she could have done it that way afterward. They just look too deliberate.

 

[Goody]

You're right, but she could have done it that way afterward. They just look too deliberate.

How do they look deliberate? What makes you think they were done deliberately, other than we can't find an explanation for them?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

How do they look deliberate? What makes you think they were done deliberately, other than we can't find an explanation for them?

I remember comparing them with photos of other "defensive wounds" where we knew the defendant didn't self inflict and they just don't compare. If she was grabbing the blade of a knife in order to ward off a blow, her fingers would have been much more damaged IMO.

 

[beesy]

I remember comparing them with photos of other "defensive wounds" where we knew the defendant didn't self inflict and they just don't compare. If she was grabbing the blade of a knife in order to ward off a blow, her fingers would have been much more damaged IMO.

Nobody is saying they are defense wounds, none of us here at least, I think they are accidental cuts which have to do with the crime somehow

 

[beesy]

I am just not sure the new screens can cut the way you envision to create the cuts we have to account for. I guess it is possible. I am just not sure.

Another thing about screens, a couple of oddities about Darin. He walked thru the house to the garage to see the cut screen after Darlie left in the ambulance and before he went to the hospital. Then approx 6 months later, he showed up at his old house on Bond Street just a few days before the trial was to start, supposedly to look at the screens. He said more than a few things to incriminate Darlie in a conversation with the new resident and never satisfactorily explained why he thought the screens at the old house might be cut, too. So I am wondering if he didn't cut the screen and take a trip back to the old house to see if any of his handiwork might have been left on the screens there. That T-cut was distinctive. Or maybe he really is innocent and went to see if any of Darlie's handiwork had been left behind, maybe from a day she'd been locked out. Whatever his motives, I believe he was looking for anything that might incriminate them or trip him up with perjurious statements. These two things he did stick in my mind and nip at me every once in awhile.

Ooooh good tidbit Goody, very creepy