Marauding pit bulls attack six - 10 year old boy, Critical

[curlytone]

Maybe I'm incorrect, but I don't see a pit as a "large" breed. Compared to a dobby, rottweiler, GSD or even a lab, they're relatively small, which, from what I hear, is why they go directly for the throat of anything they're trying to kill.

I was watching Animal Planet Channel the other night and one of the "Animal Cops Michigan," episodes featured pit bulls. EVEN THE SPCA said it has to euthanize more pit bulls than any other breed of dog because it cannot pass an aggression test. In New York, the SPCA will NOT ADOPT out a pit bull. All of them are put to sleep when they're recovered by the SPCA. If there wasn't something to the "hype" as some people call it, why would an agency whose sole purpose is to protect animals, destroy this breed of dog?

Here is the statement from the ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_pitbull

They do have to kill more pit bulls, but you have come across evidence of one of my points: a pit bull is more likely to be abused and neglected, which results in an unsuitable pet. When you watch those shows, so many of the dogs that are abused and neglected are pit bulls.

 

[curlytone]

i just love the fact that my post was actually deleted!! how ironic...lol

all i am going to say is if you want to see statistics..look at the ATTS website, which is atts.org once you see that the "pit bull" doesnt in fact have the worst and unpredictable temperaments..then maybe you might want to step back and take a better look at things.

all these comments like "the pit bull has been around for 30 years" "the put bull will snap at any given time" or "the pit bull has locking jaws"

ONLY BUT makes your OWN credibility look moronic...all those statements are just as true as fairy tails...its actually disgusting to see people actually believeing this non sense.

Yeah, I have tried this one on them. They just say that they don't agree with what fails the dogs. You have to remember, they read the news, so they are experts.

 

[Juan Martinez]

Here is the statement from the ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_pitbull

They do have to kill more pit bulls, but you have come across evidence of one of my points: a pit bull is more likely to be abused and neglected, which results in an unsuitable pet. When you watch those shows, so many of the dogs that are abused and neglected are pit bulls.

AGAIN...you guys are WRONG....go to the ATTS website...that is where THEY TEST DOGS TEMPERAMENTS...you will see the APBT "pit bull" has a better temperament then the average saint bernard...

the website is atts.org

i cant believe you guys dont go to a source for your information..but would rather get FALSE information off the net.

curlytone...i think they just dont want to actually do proper research...they would rather just do what comes natural, believe the hype...lol

i also found it amusing when i went to a CGC class with my APBT...the old lady that was teaching the class had me stand out in front of the class and said "THIS AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER HAS A BETTER TEMPERAMENT THAN ANY ONE OF YOUR DOGS STANDING HERE TODAY" i was SHOCKED, but however, this woman has done her research and trains dogs for a living, so she had to do proper research.

does anybody here even go to OB classes? do any of your dogs pass CGC tests? or how about TT tests?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think that a moderator telling someone to "back the he[double hockey sticks] up" and hoping that I "get bit in the a$$" is absolutely deplorable. It also seems that you are threatening me. That is certainly not allowed on this forum.

My anger at your post telling me what I had a right to do and a right NOT to do came from an "American" point of view and NOT that of a moderator. I would have allowed anyone to stand up for themselves against that type of post. After all, this is America, NOT North Korea. So, throwing the "you're a moderator" thing at me will work against you in the long run. Furthermore, if you've got a problem with me, I suggest you PM me and not make it a public squabble. It detracts from the forum that it appears on and honestly, it does nothing to help you out.

 

[BarnGoddess]

Eve:
When he was a little boy he was riding his trike along an open bridge by a rushing river (escaped from his mom/yard) and their collie grabbed the scruff of his neck (shirt) and literally carried him home, leaving the overturned trike on the bridge.

Funny you should mention this Eve. We had collies when my boys were growing up. I have written about them playing football and herding all the neighborhood kids. She also would not allow either of my boys or their playmates in the street, no matter what. If they stepped off the curb, she grabbed the seat of their pants and pulled them back. When we bought her, we watched her mother herd the breeder's children in the same manner to keep them safe.

When you talk about what's bred into a particular breed, this is a positive trait, passed on through generations.

Speaking of German Shepherds. I know they're loyal and obedient. Even when trained as police dogs, they attack ONLY on command and release immediately upon command. They don't send dogs out to do a job that can't be trusted to obey. Pit bulls are not police dogs.

To answer the question, no I do not trust pit bulls after all the discussion.

 

[Juan Martinez]

Funny you should mention this Eve. We had collies when my boys were growing up. I have written about them playing football and herding all the neighborhood kids. She also would not allow either of my boys or their playmates in the street, no matter what. If they stepped off the curb, she grabbed the seat of their pants and pulled them back. When we bought her, we watched her mother herd the breeder's children in the same manner to keep them safe.

When you talk about what's bred into a particular breed, this is a positive trait, passed on through generations.

Speaking of German Shepherds. I know they're loyal and obedient. Even when trained as police dogs, they attack ONLY on command and release immediately upon command. They don't send dogs out to do a job that can't be trusted to obey. Pit bulls are not police dogs.

To answer the question, no I do not trust pit bulls after all the discussion.

thats because they WERE NEVER BRED FOR HUMAN AGGRESSION, so yes they would be POOR watch dogs....gawd...i swear do any of you train dogs? or how long have any of you been around dogs..actively...training?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

its funny to see people say they would own a GSD over a APBT anyday...but what they dont realize is that the GSD has a harder bite than the APBT...and not to mention, the GSD has been for many many many years bred for human aggression...

BUT yet....you would trust that dog around your children over the APBT...very interesting...LOVE the theories on this topic...i must say, you guys have done a tons of great research..>LMAO

i guess i know where to find the experts on dogs...NOT

oh just in case the experts dont know what a GSD is..its a german shepherd.

The GSD may or may not have a "harder bite," but you're not very likely to feel it because they DON'T ATTACK FOR NO REASON!!!!!!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Here is the statement from the ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_pitbull

They do have to kill more pit bulls, but you have come across evidence of one of my points: a pit bull is more likely to be abused and neglected, which results in an unsuitable pet. When you watch those shows, so many of the dogs that are abused and neglected are pit bulls.

If they don't exist, they don't get abused and neglected.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

does anybody here even go to OB classes? do any of your dogs pass CGC tests? or how about TT tests?

If YOU read the posts, you would know that they did. My GSD was Protection Trained - Level One and although he could rip your throat out, he wouldn't do it unless I told him to.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Funny you should mention this Eve. We had collies when my boys were growing up. I have written about them playing football and herding all the neighborhood kids. She also would not allow either of my boys or their playmates in the street, no matter what. If they stepped off the curb, she grabbed the seat of their pants and pulled them back. When we bought her, we watched her mother herd the breeder's children in the same manner to keep them safe.

When you talk about what's bred into a particular breed, this is a positive trait, passed on through generations.

Speaking of German Shepherds. I know they're loyal and obedient. Even when trained as police dogs, they attack ONLY on command and release immediately upon command. They don't send dogs out to do a job that can't be trusted to obey. Pit bulls are not police dogs.

To answer the question, no I do not trust pit bulls after all the discussion.

You've got that right Cappy!

 

[Juan Martinez]

The GSD may or may not have a "harder bite," but you're not very likely to feel it because they DON'T ATTACK FOR NO REASON!!!!!!

NEITHER DO PIT BULLS!!!...lol

dogs can attack humans for many reasons...not just pit bulls...

look, i have been around this breed for a long time, and i have been working/showing this breed for the past 4 years...NOT ONCE...i will say it the thousandth time..NOT ONCE have ANY of my dogs showed any signs of agression towards humans...can you say that about your GSD? what background do you have around dogs to make these aquisations about a whole breed of dog? do you even know what TT tests are or CGC? if you cant even answer those questions, i dont think you even have a CLUE!!!

maybe you should educate yourself a little more about a breed before you cast a whole breed to hell...again...your theories are doing nothing but proving your credibility should NOT be taken into consideration.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

NEITHER DO PIT BULLS!!!...lol

Of course they do. :slap: If they didn't, none of us would be here TALKING ABOUT IT!

 

[curlytone]

Jeana, I posted the fact also that the SPCA and many shelters will put the Pit bull type down because they are unadoptable. Why can't Curly see that an organization that's all about saving dogs, destroy them and won't even try to adopt them out? What more needs to be said. They ARE a dangerous dog and people who's job is save them don't want them around. The same happens at our animal shelter here, even the no kill shelter will not accept pit bulls.

STATEMENT ABOUT PIT BULLS FROM THE ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_pitbull

 

[Juan Martinez]

If YOU read the posts, you would know that they did. My GSD was Protection Trained - Level One and although he could rip your throat out, he wouldn't do it unless I told him to.

protection trained in what? ringsport or shutzhund? and what exactly do you mean level one? do you even know what level one is in any of those categories?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

STATEMENT ABOUT PIT BULLS FROM THE ASPCA:
http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?pagename=cruelty_pitbull

FROM YOUR LINK:

According to the shelters surveyed, a third do not adopt pit bulls out-some because it is against the law to have them in their communities, and others are concerned where the dogs will ultimately end up. Sadly, in these cases, the dogs are euthanized.


There you go! Post after post after post after post proving our point for us. Thanks!

 

[Juan Martinez]

Of course they do. :slap: If they didn't, none of us would be here TALKING ABOUT IT!

did you know the GSD was also going to be banned in the late 70's? becuae they had numerouse attacks of that specific breed all over the USA?..oh wait...that couldnt be...because your credibility is sooo pristine...LMAO

again, go to atts.org THAT website HAS statistics to PROVE YOU WRONG. do you even know what is TT?

oh wait..you and jeana are dog experts...and she had her dog trained at level one...LMAO oh man i am tearing from the stupidity that is being displayed here...LMAO

 

[Jeana (DP)]

protection trained in what? ringsport or shutzhund? and what exactly do you mean level one? do you even know what level one is in any of those categories?

My parents were both police officers and we had six retired K-9s living with me when I was a kid. Mine is similarly trained. So, I guess I'd let him take the Pepsi Challenge against another dog any day.

 

[Juan Martinez]

My parents were both police officers and we had six retired K-9s living with me when I was a kid. Mine is similarly trained. So, I guess I'd let him take the Pepsi Challenge against another dog any day.

you didnt ANSWER my question ms dog expert...YOU said YOUR preclaimed GSD was trained at level one...DO YOU EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT TRAINING DOGS? do you even know what a temperament test consist of? if NOT then i suggest for you to do your homework..

 

[IdahoMom]

NEITHER DO PIT BULLS!!!...lol

dogs can attack humans for many reasons...not just pit bulls...

look, i have been around this breed for a long time, and i have been working/showing this breed for the past 4 years...NOT ONCE...i will say it the thousandth time..NOT ONCE have ANY of my dogs showed any signs of agression towards humans...can you say that about your GSD? what background do you have around dogs to make these aquisations about a whole breed of dog? do you even know what TT tests are or CGC? if you cant even answer those questions, i dont think you even have a CLUE!!!

maybe you should educate yourself a little more about a breed before you cast a whole breed to hell...again...your theories are doing nothing but proving your credibility should NOT be taken into consideration.

:waitasec: Now, what were you saying about aggression toward humans?:slap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

you didnt ANSWER my question ms dog expert...YOU said YOUR preclaimed GSD was trained at level one...DO YOU EVEN HAVE A CLUE ABOUT TRAINING DOGS? do you even know what a temperament test consist of? if NOT then i suggest for you to do your homework..

Since I went to the training WITH HIM I guess I do know. I suggest you adopt a more pleasant tone. We don't allow attacks on this forum. You may consider this your first warning.