Maricopa Jane Doe 1999 Thread #4

[Zanko]

In LDJ's last statement in the police report she says that they were driving around and that MJD DID NOT WANT TO GO with them. I believe they were planning on going to Tuscan before Miami. The statement goes on to say that Alonzo would NOT let her out.

If she was a prostitute, she would be in serious danger if she was to "skip out" on a pimp. Most street prostitution is controlled by various gangs. It's not just "local thugs". These guys have networks all over the country. Maybe she got in the car thinking that she would escape her pimp and then panicked, or maybe she never intended to leave town. I personally think that if Alonzo wasn't working WITH her pimp, he would have had some serious repercussions for taking MJD. This makes me think that maybe MJD's pimp was using Alonzo as some sort of enforcer of some wrong doing on MJD's part. MJD may have figured this out and really had nothing to lose by jumping out the window. Just another theory I suppose.

 

[christine2448]

Cubby,

I have 3/4 people + Tricia who are helping (willing to be interviewed) with the story on WS/MJD. The reporter will receive everyone's contact info by this evening and things should start rolling.

 

[Cubby]

In LDJ's last statement in the police report she says that they were driving around and that MJD DID NOT WANT TO GO with them. I believe they were planning on going to Tuscan before Miami. The statement goes on to say that Alonzo would NOT let her out.

If she was a prostitute, she would be in serious danger if she was to "skip out" on a pimp. Most street prostitution is controlled by various gangs. It's not just "local thugs". These guys have networks all over the country. Maybe she got in the car thinking that she would escape her pimp and then panicked, or maybe she never intended to leave town. I personally think that if Alonzo wasn't working WITH her pimp, he would have had some serious repercussions for taking MJD. This makes me think that maybe MJD's pimp was using Alonzo as some sort of enforcer of some wrong doing on MJD's part. MJD may have figured this out and really had nothing to lose by jumping out the window. Just another theory I suppose.

I tend to buy that theory, remember LDJ said- in her first statement, "why does she always have to mess with the wrong people'", alone leads me to believe MJD and Alonzo- or any of his aliasis- had at least one prior occasion to meet up with MJD. I don't think MJD tried to "skip out" I think she thought she was "bad" and pushed the wrong buttons and hopped into Alonzo's car to prove she was "all that", not really knowing exactly what she was getting into, and once she realized she did her best to get out of the car and as a last ditch effort either pretended to need to throw up hoping they would pull over not wanting puke everywhere, and she was "helped" with with jumping out herself.

 

[believe09]

In LDJ's last statement in the police report she says that they were driving around and that MJD DID NOT WANT TO GO with them. I believe they were planning on going to Tuscan before Miami. The statement goes on to say that Alonzo would NOT let her out.

If she was a prostitute, she would be in serious danger if she was to "skip out" on a pimp. Most street prostitution is controlled by various gangs. It's not just "local thugs". These guys have networks all over the country. Maybe she got in the car thinking that she would escape her pimp and then panicked, or maybe she never intended to leave town. I personally think that if Alonzo wasn't working WITH her pimp, he would have had some serious repercussions for taking MJD. This makes me think that maybe MJD's pimp was using Alonzo as some sort of enforcer of some wrong doing on MJD's part. MJD may have figured this out and really had nothing to lose by jumping out the window. Just another theory I suppose.

I am assuming this statement was most credible of LDJ's simply because Alonzo was in jail, so not such a big threat to her. She was heading out on a plane to Washington, so had little to lose by being accurate in this way.

now, what might MDJ have left behind in the vehicle if she felt strongly about either exiting the car or was pushed out because of something that might have happened between her and her pimp? if you look at the evidence list, she might have left shoes behind, but nothing else??? Even if she was turning tricks she would have had to have a place to store her money. And the evidence tape on the driver's side door was breached.....

If it was Alonzo who was her pimp and not KTL, then my theory goes back to step one about looking to Milwaukee or the East Coast for her ID. I still believe that LDJ and Alonzo know exactly who she is...now how can we find that out??

 

[Bree0372]

I am assuming this statement was most credible of LDJ's simply because Alonzo was in jail, so not such a big threat to her. She was heading out on a plane to Washington, so had little to lose by being accurate in this way.

now, what might MDJ have left behind in the vehicle if she felt strongly about either exiting the car or was pushed out because of something that might have happened between her and her pimp? if you look at the evidence list, she might have left shoes behind, but nothing else??? Even if she was turning tricks she would have had to have a place to store her money. And the evidence tape on the driver's side door was breached.....

If it was Alonzo who was her pimp and not KTL, then my theory goes back to step one about looking to Milwaukee or the East Coast for her ID. I still believe that LDJ and Alonzo know exactly who she is...now how can we find that out??

IN LDJ's last statement (which I believe is the most honest statement she made), she alluded to the fact that they were moving to Tuscon. I thought, from the beginning, the whole Miami thing was made up. Most likely, they were synchronizing their stories as they were fleeing the scene - they had to have time to discuss what they were going to tell the police when they were caught.

I also believe that when MJD was picked up she thought she was going to turn a trick - not leave the area. IMO, I think Alonzo wanted more from her - he could use her to make him some more "easy money". Afterall, if MJD's pimp caught her working for someone else, it wouldn't be Alonzo that would get the crap beat out of him (no sweat off his back). I do believe MJD asked him to let her out, but he had other ideas for her. He may have saw her as disposable at that point. I think that when she leaned out to throw up - possibly from the drugs - he had LDJ assist her with the "jump" (this way his hands were clean - so to speak - he didn't push her afterall). Again, she would have to have some type of leverage with her legs to leap out the window as LDJ described. I don't think she would have fallen from just having her head out the window. LDJ did admit that she grabbed MJD by the legs "in an effort to keep her from falling". :waitasec:

As for the bungee cord - that could have already been on the road side. I know here it isn't unusual to see such things - it could have fallen from someone's vehicle.

Gotta go shopping - will check in later! This is such an interesting case.

 

[Lucy's mom]

I just wanted to let you all know that I haven't heard back from Dane County Sheriff's office regarding the Doris Ann Mcleod angle. I sent another email about 1/2 hour ago. I'll keep you all posted.

 

[Marstan]

I am pretty curious about KTL and the charges he was arrested on in 1999. All for prostituting underage girls, etc. In interviewing him, he was being held in jail for something. He told the officer he did not know the MJD the officer was asking about. However, looking into his criminal background he was arrested in 8/99 for putting out underage girls on the street (three of them) and acting in essence of a pimp for them. I believe he received like 20-30 years as he kept breaking his probation.

I would really like to see a photograph of this guy. I believe he is in Florence, AZ at the prison there and might actually look like the guy MJD was fighting with in front of the auto sales place on Van Buren St.

 

[Marstan]

These girls were arrested along with KTL in 2006. Most of the girls were possibly with him long enough to remember MJD. One girl was 22 years old.

Case Number: S-0700-CR-2006174385Case Category: UnknownCase Title: St of AZ Vs. April Kirby, Et.ACourt: Maricopa County SuperiorJudge: UNKNOWNFiling Date: 12/06/2006Disposition Date: 04/27/2007
Party Name: UNKNOWNParty Type: ? 5 - UnknownDate of Birth: 04/03/1957
Party Name: UNKNOWNParty Type: ? 6 - UnknownDate of Birth: 03/01/1967
Party Name: UNKNOWNParty Type: ? 7 - UnknownDate of Birth:

Party Name: KELLY TERRELL LIPSEYParty Type: D 2 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 08/09/1972Count 1: PANDERINGDisposition Date: 12/19/2006Disposition: *Count 2: RECEIVE EARNINGS OF PROSTITUTEDisposition Date: 12/19/2006Disposition: *

Party Name: TANZSHINEKA NYELLE WILLIAMSParty Type: D 3 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 07/06/1984Count 4: ENTICE PERSON FOR PROSTITUTIONDisposition Date: 12/19/2006Disposition: *

Party Name: APRIL LAUREN KIRBYParty Type: D 4 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 11/24/1987Count 3: RECEIVE EARNINGS OF PROSTITUTEDisposition Date: 12/19/2006Disposition: *

Party Name: LINDA ANN KIRBYParty Type: D 5 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 04/03/1957Count 22: MONEY LAUNDERINGDisposition Date: 04/27/2007Disposition: COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTYCount 23: ILLEGAL CONTROL OF ENTERPRISEDisposition Date: 04/27/2007Disposition: COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY

Party Name: TONIA L FINDLEYParty Type: D 6 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 03/09/1967Count 24: MONEY LAUNDERINGDisposition Date: 04/04/2007Disposition: COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTYCount 25: ILLEGAL CONTROL OF ENTERPRISEDisposition Date: 04/04/2007Disposition: COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY
Party Name: UNKNOWNParty Type: P 1 - PLNTIF/PETITNERDate of Birth:

http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/notification/casedetail.asp?cs_id=kgmkokic&crt_name=Maricopa%20County%20Superior

 

[Zanko]

What's the status of the photos? With the inventory of the car being so vague, it would be helpful to see what was in the car. The trunk contained several tote bags with miscellaneous contents. That doesn't say much. How could LE determine what belonged to Lindsey and what belonged to MJD? I suppose there could be an obvious size difference, but without a detailed description of what was in the totes???? And miscellaneous papers also is vague. IMO the car was released rather quickly. I wonder what the results of the sexual assault kit and blood tests were? That could give more insight into what was happening previous to the "jump" from the vehicle. Anyone send for the Med Examiner's report?

 

[JDB]

CAn some one send me the police report

 

[believe09]

In an effort to give people a chance to discuss the crime itself and the police report, perhaps we can start a thread with a discussion of that topic. Perhaps we could have then another thread to discuss angles for ID'ing MJD...thoughts?

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

In an effort to give people a chance to discuss the crime itself and the police report, perhaps we can start a thread with a discussion of that topic. Perhaps we could have then another thread to discuss angles for ID'ing MJD...thoughts?

I think it sounds like a good idea, there is a lot of repetition going on and questions/ideas that have been addressed. Maybe separating the angles some would help us narrow our thoughts and make more progress?

 

[Zanko]

I personally am only interested in identifying this child. I feel the discussion around the "incident" or "crime" is only helpful if it leads to some piece of information (possibly overlooked) that helps to identify her.

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

I personally am only interested in identifying this child. I feel the discussion around the "incident" or "crime" is only helpful if it leads to some piece of information (possibly overlooked) that helps to identify her.

I'm with you 100%!!!:clap:

 

[absinthe]

What's the status of the photos? With the inventory of the car being so vague, it would be helpful to see what was in the car. The trunk contained several tote bags with miscellaneous contents. That doesn't say much. How could LE determine what belonged to Lindsey and what belonged to MJD? I suppose there could be an obvious size difference, but without a detailed description of what was in the totes???? And miscellaneous papers also is vague. IMO the car was released rather quickly. I wonder what the results of the sexual assault kit and blood tests were? That could give more insight into what was happening previous to the "jump" from the vehicle. Anyone send for the Med Examiner's report?

Yes, I sent for it about a week and a half ago. No reply yet.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Yes, I sent for it about a week and a half ago. No reply yet.

Hmm. Well, I hope you get a reply soon! It seems that there is a lot of heat in the thread, especially about what incidents occurred that day while MJD was still alive. I agree that most of the attention should be focused on identifying MJD rather than the events that happened, although I think that the ME report would help verify a lot of things that happened that might be crucial in ID'ing MJD.

After reading the report, I am stumped. It kind of threw me off a little that none of the things she (allegedly?) had in her possession where mentioned on the ME site. I am also curious to see if the rape kit showed any signs of assault.

Also, I saw a lot about "miscellaneous papers". Were they hers? I wonder what they were..:waitasec:

ETA I would also like to see a thread made to see everyone's thoughts/opinions based on the events, although I strongly believe identifying her is most important. But I think it sounds like a good thing to do as some important things may be over looked.. JMO.

 

[ArizonaGiGi]

I personally am only interested in identifying this child. I feel the discussion around the "incident" or "crime" is only helpful if it leads to some piece of information (possibly overlooked) that helps to identify her.

Not me. If she was pushed or wronged somehow, I want the person to pay!

 

[Auburnmommyof2]

Not me. If she was pushed or wronged somehow, I want the person to pay!

I agree that if she was wronged, someone should be held accountable for it. But my immediate goal is to id our MJD.

 

[Teresa Larson]

Check this web site out http://www.inmatesplus.com/ Kelly has been in trouble a lot in Arizona I am surprised he hasn't been in jail for a few years I wonder if he moved some place else since it seems as though the heat was on him a lot. It also seems as though he had an older woman working for him. Unfortunately there isn't a picture of him on the web site but it does have his weight height etc. I don't think MJD could have been in the area for a long time since nobody in the Vice Unit of the Police Dept knew her. I think we need to do some checking in the eastern states to see if she is missing from there.

 

[phenolred]

Im dying to see the actual RING, To see if it appears to be a womans or a mans, In addition, I have been looking into these types of rings and they call them Signet rings or Monogram rings, the ones that have the Initials on the outside like the one she had are normally the first initial the LAST NAME INITIAL in the MIDDLE IN LARGER SCRIPT and then the middle initial

I beleive hers was stated to also have a diamond in it. I also read alot of times these are worn as pinky rings so maybe she had outgrown this ring as a pinky ring and put it on the chain instead.

Here is an example pic of the type of ring Im referring to

http://www.wards.com/wards/largepic.asp?ID=77899