Maricopa Jane Doe Thread #6

[dee10134]

Hi! I would think the statute of limitations in relation to any of his involvement in her "professional" life would have run out long ago. IDK - I'm no expert! I just can't imagine what harm there would be in Alonzo or Lindsey revealing her name at this stage. Surely they could do it anonomously. I'm beginning to believe they really didn't know her name.

You have a good point, but I don't know when/if the statute of limitations on child prostitution or sexual abuse runs out.

I just find it HIGHLY unlikely that a young teenage girl is going to accompany a man and a woman on a road trip cross country without EVER ONCE saying her name (or being asked for it). That's the basic "getting to know you" question that almost EVERYONE asks upon meeting someone new: "Hi, nice to meet you. I'm [so and so], and your name? Where you heading?"

Maybe they honestly were so stoned they forgot it.........

 

[dee10134]

Ah yes, I recall reading this in the police report. Thank you. What are the chances of MJD being in the same model car with someone else? Probably higher because she was a prostitute, but on several occasions in the same vehicle?!.. too bad the witness was color blind..

IDK, from what I hear, Cadillacs are quite popular among the pimp crowd...

 

[dee10134]

The police report, page 29, March 4, 1999. "WHILE DOING THIS, I CONTACTED HXXX BXXX, WHO LIVES AT N. 23RD STREET, APARTMENT #X, AND SHOWED HIM A FLIER. HE ADVISED THE FOLLOWING:
HE RECOGNIZED THE FEMALE AS A POSSIBLE PROSTITUTE THAT HAD BEEN IN THE AREA, HOWEVER, HE HAS NOT SEEN HER FOR SOME TIME. THE FEMALE WAS REPORTEDLY TO HAVE A LIGHT SKINNED BLACK MAN WHO WAS POSSIBLY ACTING AS HER PIMP. HE DESCRIBED HIM AS HAVING SHORT HAIR THAT WAS POSSIBLY CURLY. BXXXX HAD SEEN THE TWO TOGETHER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. THE PIMP WAS DESCRIBED AS HAVING A "NEWER" FOUR DOUR CADILLAC THAT HAD EITHER SPOKE RIMS OR OTHER NON STOCK WHEELS. BXXXX IS COLOR BLIND AND WAS NOT ABLE TO TELL THE COLOR OF THE CAR. BXXX HAD NO OTHER INFORMATION ON EITHER SUBJECTS."

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD/Cadillac.jpg

It would help SO much if we knew what Alonzo looked like. Is he Hispanic? is he a light-skinned black man?

What about KL? Was he light-skinned or dark-skinned?

Could this witness still pick out that person from a line up? Did LE ever even show this witness a line up including AF and KL??

These are all questions we need answered. If we can find out the pimp, we can greatly increase our chances of finding out MJD's identity!

ETA: IMHO the pimp is the key to finding out who she is. IF we can find conclusive evidence that either AF or KL were indeed her pimp, maybe LE will seriously question them again, showing them the proof that connects them to this girl, so they cannot deny knowing her any longer!

 

[Zanko]

From the police report and his criminal record, Alonzo is Black. I know that doesn't tell us what he looked/looks like.

I'd really like to know more about Ekaterina and how the testing is progressing.

 

[Fairy1]

You have a good point, but I don't know when/if the statute of limitations on child prostitution or sexual abuse runs out.

I just find it HIGHLY unlikely that a young teenage girl is going to accompany a man and a woman on a road trip cross country without EVER ONCE saying her name (or being asked for it). That's the basic "getting to know you" question that almost EVERYONE asks upon meeting someone new: "Hi, nice to meet you. I'm [so and so], and your name? Where you heading?"

Maybe they honestly were so stoned they forgot it.........

I've always thought so too, Dee. But I just cannot think of a logical reason for them to withhold this information from LE - particularly at this stage. Then again, even IF she did tell them her name, it may not have been her real name. I tend to believe they did meet just that day. But, I also believe that Alonzo was trying to recruit her to work for him and it seems logical that he would need to know her name in order to sweet talk her enough to get her in that car. IDK! Just telling LE what she said her name was wouldn't implicate them in a crime!

 

[Teresa Larson]

The police report, page 29, March 4, 1999. "WHILE DOING THIS, I CONTACTED HXXX BXXX, WHO LIVES AT N. 23RD STREET, APARTMENT #X, AND SHOWED HIM A FLIER. HE ADVISED THE FOLLOWING:
HE RECOGNIZED THE FEMALE AS A POSSIBLE PROSTITUTE THAT HAD BEEN IN THE AREA, HOWEVER, HE HAS NOT SEEN HER FOR SOME TIME. THE FEMALE WAS REPORTEDLY TO HAVE A LIGHT SKINNED BLACK MAN WHO WAS POSSIBLY ACTING AS HER PIMP. HE DESCRIBED HIM AS HAVING SHORT HAIR THAT WAS POSSIBLY CURLY. BXXXX HAD SEEN THE TWO TOGETHER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. THE PIMP WAS DESCRIBED AS HAVING A "NEWER" FOUR DOUR CADILLAC THAT HAD EITHER SPOKE RIMS OR OTHER NON STOCK WHEELS. BXXXX IS COLOR BLIND AND WAS NOT ABLE TO TELL THE COLOR OF THE CAR. BXXX HAD NO OTHER INFORMATION ON EITHER SUBJECTS."

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD/Cadillac.jpg

OK thanks FMW! I have read the police report I remember seeing this now lol

 

[Cymro]

I actually wonder whether a "later model" Cadillac would tend to suggest say, 1995 or newer rather than Alonzo's which looks to me to be about a 1991.

The reason I say this is that a 1995 is a lot more rounded than a 1991 and while a 1991 wouldn't have been an old car nine or ten years ago, it wouldn't have been in the first flush of youth either.

This is a 1995 Deville:

Equally the car in question could have been a Seville or indeed slightly older - it's hard to say how accurate the witness is. However, given that a Cadillac with non-standard wheels is exactly what you'd expect a pimp to drive, I'd want something a lot more specific to draw the conclusion that Alonzo was MJD's pimp (and not just a pimp).

Also, I wonder how much information he would have really either had or wanted to have about her real identity; clearly if he'd recruited her out of state he'd have known a lot about her that we don't, but if he was seeking to recruit her after she'd run away, he would probably neither know nor care about her real identity and background, at least at first. (Maybe afterward he would want to know where she was likely to run to, if she did run away).

 

[VASHLEY88]

In regards to Alonzo or LDJ not saying/knowing her name.. they could most certainly give her name anonymously. But maybe they don't care enough to do that. Maybe they are afraid that if they do tell her name, they will be charged for not giving accurate information to the cops and their entire story will be questioned. Who knows? I'm on the fence about this one.. I really don't believe they know her real name, but then again.. it wouldn't surprise me of they did.

If she was already a prostitute, and had a pimp that she was happy and established with she probably knew better than to give any personal information to strangers. If she did give a name, it was probably false. I know it would make sense for her to be like "my name is _______ and I'm going to Miami, too. Could I get a lift?" but in her "profession".. I don't think it always happens that way, unfortunately. They are so well trained and brainwashed not to say anything, it's sad. Plus upon getting into the car with someone, they aren't seen as "people". Maybe Alonzo had no interest in knowing her name until later, like said before.

 

[Fairy1]

In regards to Alonzo or LDJ not saying/knowing her name.. they could most certainly give her name anonymously. But maybe they don't care enough to do that. Maybe they are afraid that if they do tell her name, they will be charged for not giving accurate information to the cops and their entire story will be questioned. Who knows? I'm on the fence about this one.. I really don't believe they know her real name, but then again.. it wouldn't surprise me of they did.

If she was already a prostitute, and had a pimp that she was happy and established with she probably knew better than to give any personal information to strangers. If she did give a name, it was probably false. I know it would make sense for her to be like "my name is _______ and I'm going to Miami, too. Could I get a lift?" but in her "profession".. I don't think it always happens that way, unfortunately. They are so well trained and brainwashed not to say anything, it's sad. Plus upon getting into the car with someone, they aren't seen as "people". Maybe Alonzo had no interest in knowing her name until later, like said before.

You're right. But going back to the earlier discussion about LDJ possibly being harrassed about this case, she could easily end it by providing LE with MJD's name - anonomously - if she knows it. OTOH, what does she have to gain by withholding this information - if she does know MJD's name? That's what doesn't make sense to me. :waitasec:

 

[VASHLEY88]

You're right. But going back to the earlier discussion about LDJ possibly being harrassed about this case, she could easily end it by providing LE with MJD's name - anonomously - if she knows it. OTOH, what does she have to gain by withholding this information - if she does know MJD's name? That's what doesn't make sense to me. :waitasec:

She might have children or a family she's trying to protect. Perhaps if she's married her husband or even boyfriend doesn't know of her past "history", if you know what I mean. I mean it could be something as simple as that that is making her not want to give a name or any other info on the case. Even if she didn't know her name, some things in the police report didn't make sense to me if she didn't know her personally. Like why she said MJD "messes with the wrong people". How does she know this? Why didn't they have her elaborate? :waitasec:

 

[Fairy1]

She might have children or a family she's trying to protect. Perhaps if she's married her husband or even boyfriend doesn't know of her past "history", if you know what I mean. I mean it could be something as simple as that that is making her not want to give a name or any other info on the case. Even if she didn't know her name, some things in the police report didn't make sense to me if she didn't know her personally. Like why she said MJD "messes with the wrong people". How does she know this? Why didn't they have her elaborate? :waitasec:

But this is exactly my point! Lindsey could provide MJD's name anonomously and, MJD (MAYBE!) would finally be identified and the whole thing could go away once and for all. If she could do that, why wouldn't she? If I were in her shoes, I would probably want to be done with this chapter and move on with my life - especially if I was married with a child of my own. IIRC - she was questioned again fairly recently. Seems to me that until MJD is identified, this will always be hanging over her head.

 

[VASHLEY88]

But this is exactly my point! Lindsey could provide MJD's name anonomously and, MJD (MAYBE!) would finally be identified and the whole thing could go away once and for all. If she could do that, why wouldn't she? If I were in her shoes, I would probably want to be done with this chapter and move on with my life - especially if I was married with a child of my own. IIRC - she was questioned again fairly recently. Seems to me that until MJD is identified, this will always be hanging over her head.

I don't see why she would withhold it either unless it would grossly effect her life somehow. I agree with you.. until MJD is identified this will always be a "burden" on her. I hate to use the word "burden" because MJD is not.. but this incident won't be put to rest until MJD finally has her name.

 

[dee10134]

But this is exactly my point! Lindsey could provide MJD's name anonomously and, MJD (MAYBE!) would finally be identified and the whole thing could go away once and for all. If she could do that, why wouldn't she? If I were in her shoes, I would probably want to be done with this chapter and move on with my life - especially if I was married with a child of my own. IIRC - she was questioned again fairly recently. Seems to me that until MJD is identified, this will always be hanging over her head.

GOOD!!

Maybe she'll feel guilty and finally tell someone what she knows to end this chapter in her life!

 

[VASHLEY88]

Eh.. made an exciting post before about a missing person from Phoenix, AZ. Just in case someone quoted me.. it isn't plausible that it's MJD because I found out her age. Don't mind me..

 

[dee10134]

OMG Vash! GREAT job! She's pretty damn close to our MJD. What were the circumstances behind her disappearance? Was she from the Phoenix area?

 

[VASHLEY88]

OMG Vash! GREAT job! She's pretty damn close to our MJD. What were the circumstances behind her disappearance? Was she from the Phoenix area?

Yes, she was sooo close! And from Phoenix, AZ! Same time frame to go missing, too! But she's way too old to have been MJD, unfortunately. I couldn't find any info on her, but I finally did and although she looks like MJD she's 34.. could've fooled me.. she looked really young in her photograph.

 

[dee10134]

WAIT.... did you delete your post?!? Shaine (our witness) said right off the bat that he thought MJD was around 25..
so don't rule ANYONE out.... you never know.......

I'd let the ME know about this one.... she looked very young to me........

Yes, she was sooo close! And from Phoenix, AZ! Same time frame to go missing, too! But she's way to old to have been MJD, unfortunately..

 

[VASHLEY88]

You're right, dee. I put her information in the "possible matches" section. But it says she went MISSING at 34. Ugh. It's still there though, just in case. I doubt it though.. unfortunately..

 

[Fairy1]

You're right, dee. I put her information in the "possible matches" section. But it says she went MISSING at 34. Ugh. It's still there though, just in case. I doubt it though.. unfortunately..

Oh Vashley! When I first saw Dana - I thought she was MJD for SURE! I discounted her only because of her age - but she sure looks like MJD and her background would certainly be on target! Surely LE would have checked this out????

 

[Teresa Larson]

I actually wonder whether a "later model" Cadillac would tend to suggest say, 1995 or newer rather than Alonzo's which looks to me to be about a 1991.

The reason I say this is that a 1995 is a lot more rounded than a 1991 and while a 1991 wouldn't have been an old car nine or ten years ago, it wouldn't have been in the first flush of youth either.

This is a 1995 Deville:

Equally the car in question could have been a Seville or indeed slightly older - it's hard to say how accurate the witness is. However, given that a Cadillac with non-standard wheels is exactly what you'd expect a pimp to drive, I'd want something a lot more specific to draw the conclusion that Alonzo was MJD's pimp (and not just a pimp).

Also, I wonder how much information he would have really either had or wanted to have about her real identity; clearly if he'd recruited her out of state he'd have known a lot about her that we don't, but if he was seeking to recruit her after she'd run away, he would probably neither know nor care about her real identity and background, at least at first. (Maybe afterward he would want to know where she was likely to run to, if she did run away).

The car was a Blue/gray 1990 Cadillac Deville The police impounded it so they know what kind of a car and color it was There are pictures of it on this thread some place