Maricopa Jane Doe Thread #6

[youshouldveknown]

We should find out why they'd say it's been proven. I don't see any way it could be proven without a lie detector test.

 

[Teresa Larson]

We should find out why they'd say it's been proven. I don't see any way it could be proven without a lie detector test.

It wouldn't matter if they did polygraph any of them because they are not admissible in court. People beat them all of the time. Doing that wouldn't prove anything. The only thing the LE and the rest of us have to go on is what the witnesses stated. Dee did Shaine ever say whether he gave a statement to Detective Lowry?? I also think it should be up to Shaine on whether he'd want to look at MJD's morgue pictures. IMO

 

[youshouldveknown]

It wouldn't matter if they did polygraph any of them because they are not admissible in court. People beat them all of the time. Doing that wouldn't prove anything. The only thing the LE and the rest of us have to go on is what the witnesses stated. Dee did Shaine ever say whether he gave a statement to Detective Lowry?? I also think it should be up to Shaine on whether he'd want to look at MJD's morgue pictures. IMO

They may not be admissible in court, but this isn't court. People still do them all the time. And people don't beat them all the time. In order to beat a polygraph test, you have to be able to control your heart rate, your blood pressure, your breathing... normal everyday people can't do that. I think more often then not, polygraphs are ruled pass, fail or inconclusive.

Like I said, if there was in fact a polygraph test taken, we should know about it. This isn't court. What other evidence would there be that their story is accurate?

 

[not_my_kids]

Actually, for the record, you can pass a lie detector by RAISING you blood pressure and respiration right from the start. If you flunk every question including your name and address, it is considered a pass or inconclusiive due to anxiety.
I know, I will never pass a lie detector, regardless of what questions have been asked. If the evidence that the police have is supported by the stories that everyone has told them , ans there are no significant variations in the story then they have no choice but to believe what they are being told.

 

[Teresa Larson]

I have taken many polygraphs over the years because of the job I held. The test isn't just based on your heart rate etc. It is also based on all of the questions they ask you before the actual test and how you answer them. I have had a lot of people pass them and they ended up being the biggest thieves ever. The people that have no conscious can pass them easily most of the time. It makes no difference if it's court or not They couldn't prosecute any of them just because they failed a polygraph Not only that but even if they wanted them to do one and they refused the LE couldn't force them to do it. Without proof even if they did take the polygraph and failed they couldn't say you flunked the test so you are guilty.

 

[believe09]

I think it is a bizarre statement to put on an ME site, but perhaps people are harrassing Lindsey and Alonzo via the internet.

So, I guess we continue to focus on the avenues we have been pursuing, hmmm?

 

[VASHLEY88]

I think it is a bizarre statement to put on an ME site, but perhaps people are harrassing Lindsey and Alonzo via the internet.

So, I guess we continue to focus on the avenues we have been pursuing, hmmm?

I agree. I didn't mean to throw anyone off by posting it, I just thought it was odd that it has been added to the ME site. Almost as if someone involved complained-- perhaps felt threatened/harassed and called LE and asked to let it be known that they were in fact telling the truth. IMO, I think they are just believing what they were told because they really have no other evidence or witnesses to depend on. And their stories prove true to them due to the circumstances. Nobody really knows what happened between the time she fell out of the vehicle to the time Alonzo was pulled over by police. Nobody knows what happened from the time she was picked up on Van Buren to the time witnesses saw what happened in the car before she made her fateful jump. Only Alonzo and LDJ know exactly what happened, so what can they do other than believe their stories? What are they gaining by not telling her name? (if they knew) Probably nothing.

Anyway, about her purse-- I'm sure it was either confiscated by LE or was thrown away. I'm sure her clothing was thrown away too. It happens pretty frequently. Usually the only things that are kept are items that are proven to be valuable. Security or whomever is in charge of keeping patient's property safe will usually keep items for a short period of time until they are released back to the patient or a consented person, like a relative. I am still going to call around and see if I can talk to someone who can tell me if that is true in her case since she passed away-- and obviously nobody would have claimed it. But it would seem pretty odd to me if LE didn't take it-- I'd be super ticked off because it would look as though this case was combed over very poorly..

I wonder why a white purse was never mentioned in the police report? Perhaps they found it in the car before it was released to LDJ? Or did I read something that said a witness had seen it with her on the street? :waitasec:

 

[Teresa Larson]

I think it is a bizarre statement to put on an ME site, but perhaps people are harassing Lindsey and Alonzo via the internet.

So, I guess we continue to focus on the avenues we have been pursuing, hmmm?

What do you mean by this? I am a little confused here? How could anybody be harassing Alonzo or Lindsey via the internet???

 

[Teresa Larson]

Who ever said the purse was white? Did I miss something? It's not listed in the police report and I don't think Shaine ever said what color it was.

 

[VASHLEY88]

What do you mean by this? I am a little confused here? How could anybody be harassing Alonzo or Lindsey via the internet???

I think believe means that maybe people who got a hold of LDJ's myspace/facebook or what have you have been harassing her from other forums or maybe even this one.. or maybe too many people contacted one of them and they got upset. She didn't mean that IS what happened, it was just a little bizarre of a statement to be put on the ME website, that's all.

 

[VASHLEY88]

Who ever said the purse was white? Did I miss something? It's not listed in the police report and I don't think Shaine ever said what color it was.

I thought I read somewhere that the purse was white. I could be mistaken. I'm a little crazy with sleep deprivation.. :crazy:

 

[youshouldveknown]

It makes no difference if it's court or not They couldn't prosecute any of them just because they failed a polygraph Not only that but even if they wanted them to do one and they refused the LE couldn't force them to do it. Without proof even if they did take the polygraph and failed they couldn't say you flunked the test so you are guilty.

I'm not even remotely TALKING about guilty or innocent; I don't care about court and whether or not we could get witnesses to take a polygraph. I want to know WHY and HOW they have decided that the story Alonzo and Lindsey told is 'accurate' when clearly there are discrepincies.

As of right now, I'm not focused on whether she jumped or was pushed; whether it was an accident or whether she was murdered. I want to know who she is. And I think Alonzo knows. Therefore, I want to know why they would consider his account 'accurate' since he claims he didn't know her.

I have no idea how my asking if Alonzo and Lindsey took a polygraph turned into this.

 

[VASHLEY88]

I'm not even remotely TALKING about guilty or innocent; I don't care about court and whether or not we could get witnesses to take a polygraph. I want to know WHY and HOW they have decided that the story Alonzo and Lindsey told is 'accurate' when clearly there are discrepincies.

As of right now, I'm not focused on whether she jumped or was pushed; whether it was an accident or whether she was murdered. I want to know who she is. And I think Alonzo knows. Therefore, I want to know why they would consider his account 'accurate' since he claims he didn't know her.

I have no idea how my asking if Alonzo and Lindsey took a polygraph turned into this.

Didn't fmw recall that she had been seen in a car similar to Alonzo's several times, too? :furious:

Gah.. I need to get back on track here.. sorry guys.

 

[youshouldveknown]

I agree. I didn't mean to throw anyone off by posting it, I just thought it was odd that it has been added to the ME site. Almost as if someone involved complained-- perhaps felt threatened/harassed and called LE and asked to let it be known that they were in fact telling the truth. IMO, I think they are just believing what they were told because they really have no other evidence or witnesses to depend on. And their stories prove true to them due to the circumstances. Nobody really knows what happened between the time she fell out of the vehicle to the time Alonzo was pulled over by police. Nobody knows what happened from the time she was picked up on Van Buren to the time witnesses saw what happened in the car before she made her fateful jump. Only Alonzo and LDJ know exactly what happened, so what can they do other than believe their stories? What are they gaining by not telling her name? (if they knew) Probably nothing.

I thought it was odd as well, and that's why I asked about the polygraph. I highly doubt they did take one, but it isn't an uncommon thing to do. I forget who was talking with LE, but could they ask about this statement for clarification? I would call, but I'd hate to step on anyone's toes.

What I'm afraid of is if Alonzo or Lindsey knew her name and told, perhaps it would lead to someone greater, like a kingpin of sorts. That could be a reason why they wouldn't tell.

 

[youshouldveknown]

Didn't fmw recall that she had been seen in a car similar to Alonzo's several times, too? :furious:

I'm sure I've read that, Vashley. I wonder what this could mean, though.

ETA: I'm pretty sure the purse was white. I want to say Dee verified it with Shaine, but I couldn't be 100% accurate about it.

 

[VASHLEY88]

I'm sure I've read that, Vashley. I wonder what this could mean, though.

That he probably knows more about MJD than he let on. Clearly, he lead a dishonest lifestyle and was probably not the most creditable person on earth. And I sometimes believe that he really does know her name. But then I think.. what could possibly make someone completely deny knowing someones name unless they were going to be severely punished or killed? Did LE even follow up with Alonzo? Last I heard they didn't even know where he was.

 

[youshouldveknown]

Can you give me his full name again? I can try to do some searches, although I'm sure I won't find anything that already hasn't been found and posted.

Has anyone faxed or emailed the hotel that was on the envelop in the car? I wonder if they could verify whether it was MJD or Alonzo staying at the hotel.

She seemed to be pretty clean, so she must have had a place to shower, do her hair and make up.. maybe even a place set up to take johns per her pimp. If she was staying at the hotel, I wonder if they have any way of telling who paid for the room.. I'd imagine it was paid in cash, though.

 

[Teresa Larson]

I think believe means that maybe people who got a hold of LDJ's myspace/facebook or what have you have been harassing her from other forums or maybe even this one.. or maybe too many people contacted one of them and they got upset. She didn't mean that IS what happened, it was just a little bizarre of a statement to be put on the ME website, that's all.

The Lindsey we found on myspace was not the right one and Alonzo is among the missing so I doubt anybody could be harassing either one of them.

 

[Teresa Larson]

You said ....
Originally Posted by youshouldveknown
We should find out why they'd say it's been proven. I don't see any way it could be proven without a lie detector test.

And my response was that polygraph tests are not admissible in court and they do not prove if people are guilty or not. They would have to have PROOF that Lindsey and Alonzo actually were responsible for MDJ's death. I agree they have many discrepancies but again they have no proof or a witness that has stated they pushed her out of the car. It's very sad these people have gotten away with killing this young girl :-(

 

[youshouldveknown]

polygraph tests are not admissible in court and they do not prove if people are guilty or not. They would have to have PROOF that Lindsey and Alonzo actually were responsible for MDJ's death.


They don't have proof, as far as we're aware. Therefore, WHY are they saying their story is accurate? This is my question. It's been my question since Vashley posted about it.