Mark Smich: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

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How much was TB selling his truck for? That is how much DM could replace his truck for, not only $80,000. We know this because whether it was DM or MS who was in the market to buy the Ram, they were looking at this one that cost in the $20k range. Do we have evidence that they were also looking at just buying engines alone or $80k new trucks? That is a grossly inflated value, in my opinion, and I am not sure what the point of it was, sorry.

Personally, until we have some sort of proof that DM was going to race in the Baja that year, it seems a bit of a leap to me to assume that he was racing that year and that was his motive. It was only a few weeks away, as far as I can recall. Perhaps he is the kind of person who didn't know until the last minute if he was going to go or not, but I believe that running in one of those races is something that people plan for months for, it is not usually a last minute whim. How far in advance do the tickets go on sale for, what is the cut off date to enter. These are some of the questions I would like to hear the answers to before I assume that was his motive, personally.

Was MS still living with DM when TB went missing? I had thought that he had moved out by then. Maybe DM had kicked him out and had enough of his mooching, or maybe MS got back on his feet (or made up with his mom) and moved out voluntarily. If MS got back on his feet somehow, would DM still be expected to/have a right to question how MS choose to spend his money? If you take in a friend and help them out, when does that responsibly end, and does it extend itself to give you the right to inspect their finances? Do you still get to keep tabs on their money after they have moved out, and if so, for how long?

Perhaps the two decided that it was best not to be seen with each other in public after the theft of the truck and the release of their descriptions to the public. Because it's a bit of a heat score to live with your co-accused, IYKWIM. So, MS moves home and DM is arrested within the week anyway. Would MS want to be hanging out in a house that LE is searching? Exactly. He's outta there. LE takes their time to observe MS and what he is up to, just to see if MS will lead them to anything, and then they arrest him a couple a few weeks later.
 
How much was TB selling his truck for? That is how much DM could replace his truck for, not only $80,000. We know this because whether it was DM or MS who was in the market to buy the Ram, they were looking at this one that cost in the $20k range. Do we have evidence that they were also looking at just buying engines alone or $80k new trucks? That is a grossly inflated value, in my opinion, and I am not sure what the point of it was, sorry.

Personally, until we have some sort of proof that DM was going to race in the Baja that year, it seems a bit of a leap to me to assume that he was racing that year and that was his motive. It was only a few weeks away, as far as I can recall. Perhaps he is the kind of person who didn't know until the last minute if he was going to go or not, but I believe that running in one of those races is something that people plan for months for, it is not usually a last minute whim. How far in advance do the tickets go on sale for, what is the cut off date to enter. These are some of the questions I would like to hear the answers to before I assume that was his motive, personally.

Was MS still living with DM when TB went missing? I had thought that he had moved out by then. Maybe DM had kicked him out and had enough of his mooching, or maybe MS got back on his feet (or made up with his mom) and moved out voluntarily. If MS got back on his feet somehow, would DM still be expected to/have a right to question how MS choose to spend his money? If you take in a friend and help them out, when does that responsibly end, and does it extend itself to give you the right to inspect their finances? Do you still get to keep tabs on their money after they have moved out, and if so, for how long?

Do we have evidence that either one of them were in the market to buy a used truck? Because that's sure as heck not what happened.

Why would DM buy a used truck? He already had one. He MAY have wanted to modify his engine. Why buy a used truck with the engine you want/need when you can just steal it. It's possible this has been done before. Did we find out if the yellow Jeep went up for sale? I've only seen ads for the green one. Heavily modified and obviously not stolen.

How about looking up some of the answers to the Baja questions instead of asking others to do this? I personally believe that he was intending to go to that race. I believe they got tattoos the year before. That's a pretty strong statement for something you enjoy doing. Is there evidence to suggest that he wasn't? By all means bring it forward.

There has been no evidence that MS had a job in the time frame of when he moved into DM's house and when he returned to his mother's house. In fact I would hasten to guess that MS was probably pretty much living with DM right up until the night this happened, at which point they thought it best that they separate residences and he went back to his mother's house. Is there anything that says he wasn't?

MOO
 
I found this one. Where did you find yours? Building an online vehicle is not the same as finding one at a dealership that you can buy. Did your model have the dually rear wheels?

http://www.armstrongchryslerdodgeje...Ram-3500-676815e40a0a00652df1f5bd2455ab87.htm

The $21,000 is just for the engine to purchase it separately to install in his existing truck. Thought that was clear in my post. That figure comes from a rep at Peel Chrysler Dodge Jeep

http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news..._attempted_third_test_drive_of_dodge_ram.html

And yes, if I had a friend that I knew was unemployed, had taken into my home because he could not afford a place of his own, and then he told me he wanted me to call the owners in car ads and test drive used vehicles for him, that were in the $35,000 range in which you can not get dealer financing, I'd be asking some questions. And I'd feel a little used for offering up my home for him and his girlfriend to live in if he had that kind of money laying around to buy an unneccessarily large and expensive vehicle.

Most people would IMO.

MOO

I went back and checked my link to be sure and yes, it did have the dual rear wheels. Then I thought maybe that is without the commission for the dealer so I clicked to find what I specified at a dealer. It came up with one in Woodbridge with the Cummins engine, the dual rear wheels and the fifth wheel/gooseneck towing package for $74,725. So about halfway between my first one and yours. If someone knew what they wanted in it, I don't know why they wouldn't go ahead and order one, rather than taking whatever's available on the lot and maybe paying for what they don't want and not getting all that they do want.

JMO
 
Perhaps the two decided that it was best not to be seen with each other in public after the theft of the truck and the release of their descriptions to the public. Because it's a bit of a heat score to live with your co-accused, IYKWIM. So, MS moves home and DM is arrested within the week anyway. Would MS want to be hanging out in a house that LE is searching? Exactly. He's outta there. LE takes their time to observe MS and what he is up to, just to see if MS will lead them to anything, and then they arrest him a couple a few weeks later.

Honestly, I don't think LE ever holds off when arresting a suspect for murder just to see what he's up to or he he might lead them to something more. JMO
 
Did we find out if the yellow Jeep went up for sale? I've only seen ads for the green one.

The following article mentions two Jeeps for sale - the yellow one would have been the "heavily modified" one that was listed for $90,000. The green Jeep can be seen in the picture that accompanies the article - it is listed for $25,000. Both ads were taken down after the article was published. The Cobra and a vintage Jeep are also listed for sale on other sites.

Two Jeeps, which also appear to be housed at the Millard family’s hangar, went up for sale on a site called RacingJunk.com in October.

One “heavily modified” Jeep is listed for $90,000.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/15/accused_murderer_dellen_millards_cars_snowmobiles_listed_for_sale_on_kijiji.html
 
Honestly, I don't think LE ever holds off when arresting a suspect for murder just to see what he's up to or he he might lead them to something more. JMO

Why did they wait almost a year to arrest CN then?

CN was no threat to anyone herself, so it was safe to leave her on the loose, with a hope that some of the other accused would contact her and incriminate themselves in doing so.

If MS was most recently known to be living chez DM I'm sure LE were on to him quite quickly. Remember that when LE arrested DM, they announced they were looking for someone with a specific tattoo and didn't know who he was. They had in fact had him in custody at that time, and had been stalking him some time before that. LE keeps their cards close: they don't lay out everything they know.
 
Why did they wait almost a year to arrest CN then?

CN was no threat to anyone herself, so it was safe to leave her on the loose, with a hope that some of the other accused would contact her and incriminate themselves in doing so.

If MS was most recently known to be living chez DM I'm sure LE were on to him quite quickly. Remember that when LE arrested DM, they announced they were looking for someone with a specific tattoo and didn't know who he was. They had in fact had him in custody at that time, and had been stalking him some time before that. LE keeps their cards close: they don't lay out everything they know.

I think you partly answered your own question. CN was not a suspect for murder, not a threat to the public, quite a difference there. First they thought she could be an important witness (a given considering her relationship with DM). Perhaps it took them the year to get enough evidence to charge her with the accessory after the fact charge. Perhaps they eventually charged her because she wasn't giving them what they wanted and it was time to stop holding the threat over her head and act on it.

JMO
 
Do we have evidence that either one of them were in the market to buy a used truck? Because that's sure as heck not what happened.

Why would DM buy a used truck? He already had one. He MAY have wanted to modify his engine. Why buy a used truck with the engine you want/need when you can just steal it. It's possible this has been done before. Did we find out if the yellow Jeep went up for sale? I've only seen ads for the green one. Heavily modified and obviously not stolen.

How about looking up some of the answers to the Baja questions instead of asking others to do this? I personally believe that he was intending to go to that race. I believe they got tattoos the year before. That's a pretty strong statement for something you enjoy doing. Is there evidence to suggest that he wasn't? By all means bring it forward.

There has been no evidence that MS had a job in the time frame of when he moved into DM's house and when he returned to his mother's house. In fact I would hasten to guess that MS was probably pretty much living with DM right up until the night this happened, at which point they thought it best that they separate residences and he went back to his mother's house. Is there anything that says he wasn't?

MOO

DM may have wanted to buy a used truck, just as easily as he may have wanted to modify his engine. There is nothing to indicate either one, only each individual's personal suspicions.

I realize this wasn't directed at me, but I personally have no desire to look up dates and deadlines to Baja races because I personally have heard absolutely no evidence to make me assume it was even his intent to enter the next one. If there is evidence that I've missed showing that he did intend to enter it, please feel free as well to provide the link. I'm sure some others may be interested to see that there is something behind your belief, if that is the case. Otherwise, anyone else's thoughts are no more wrong than your own. The tattoos were done before the 2011 race. How is that indicative of any intent to continue entering future races? BTW, if it was the same race you think he wanted to enter, he was a little late since the Baja 500 was at the end of May 2013. That wouldn't leave him any time to enter, let alone change engines in his truck first.

I believe what you mean is that you have seen no evidence of him having a job. Not all things online are allowed to be linked here. You're asking if there is anything that says MS wasn't living at DM's right up until the night of the test drive. Probably not, but there is also nothing that says he was.

JMO
 
I think you partly answered your own question. CN was not a suspect for murder, not a threat to the public, quite a difference there. First they thought she could be an important witness (a given considering her relationship with DM). Perhaps it took them the year to get enough evidence to charge her with the accessory after the fact charge. Perhaps they eventually charged her because she wasn't giving them what they wanted and it was time to stop holding the threat over her head and act on it.

JMO
IMO, LE made reference to computer seizures pretty early on in this case and continued their quest from the time they arrested DM to the time they charged CN & MWJ. IMHO, if there was digital evidence, LE have it. MS just doesn't seem to be the type of guy who has every gadget on the market. MOO

June 5/13: "Down the road, there may be more people," Kavanagh said. "We've seized a lot of computer equipment that we have to go through."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ler-tried-to-arrange-3rd-test-drive-1.1302075



Tony Leitch, the Hamilton Crown attorney prosecuting the Bosma case, says the project involves "one of the largest computer seizures in Ontario criminal law history."

After Millard and Smich were originally arrested, search warrants were executed to seize computers and cellphones which the OPP have analyzed, he says.

http://m.cambridgetimes.ca/news-sto...sed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated
 
Out of all the 'facts' listed above that supposedly tie DM in stronger than MS, only a couple are actual facts as we currently know them. Please explain to me how buying a condo makes someone appear guilty of murder? I would like to know because I was going to buy a condo, but I wouldn't want anyone to think I am a murderer for it. I may be having mechanical issues with one of my vehicles too, I hope no one thinks I stole a truck because of that. Oh no, I just realized that I also have a deceased father, that's three 'facts' that make me appear guilty of murder, according to the list above. My point is that most of the things above that are being described as proof of guilt are not facts at this point, nor are they evidence of a crime, in my opinion. Like I say, people buy condos, have car trouble or lose a parent all the time without it ever being used against them as proof of murder.

If MS were the innocent dupe being set up for a murder he didn't commit, why would DM set it up so that all the evidence points towards himself instead of MS? Isn't that the whole point of framing someone, to put the evidence at their feet instead of at your own? This just actually makes it sound as if the one who had already been to jail because of his past criminal record was smart enough to make it look like it was his friend instead of him. If DM was framing MS, why wouldn't he leave the truck at MS's place, why wouldn't he leave the body on MS's family property? Why wouldn't he be the one wearing his hood up like a disguise when they approached TB if he were the only one who knew what was going to happen?

Oh I see, facts above pertaining to your situation, not DM. :thinking: That's certainly an odd and interesting way a dissecting it but why would you make parallel comparisons to your situations and DM's? That's curious IMO. Nah typically condo buyers aren't considered murderers, just DM at this juncture that I'm aware of. I don't suspect you'll have any troubles with your purchase as long as you are law abiding. HTH.

Sure I don't mind explaining a theory about why DM purchased the condo May 7th. The purchase was to raise doubt as to why he would steal a truck when he flashed hundreds or thousands of dollars to buy a condo the day after a truck was stolen. It would have been a definite "in your face" fact LE would have uncovered and MSM would report on early in the investigation, just as it happened...raising doubt. Steal a truck one day and the next day drop a load of cash on a condo, see how that works? "Look I got hoards of money I don't need to steal a truck." Did I explain that well enough or would you like further explanation? HTH and MOO.

Isn't that the huge question people have been stumped with since DM's arrest? Why would DM steal a truck when he could afford one or many? Absolutely it is. Even his lawyer voiced he wasn't financially hurting. It wasn't about not being able to afford a truck, it was likely about being frugal and doing something for a thrill. Speaking of frugal, DM spent a good chunk of money on the incinerator, maybe DM felt like he needed to get his money's worth out of it. One victim burnt wasn't enough. Scary to think more victims could have met their fate the same way had DM not been arrested when he was.

Interesting how for the 12 days MS was on the lam between DM's and his arrest, no one else was murdered, no Dodge trucks were stolen, no bodies were incinerated and the rest of the evidence wasn't covered up? Oops DM ran out of time and MS wasn't about to get involved in a murder he did not commit. MOO.

To answer your second paragraph, again DM simply ran out of time getting rid of evidence. If he was the real thief and murderer, why take the risk of disposing of a dead body on someone's property who you're trying to frame, leaving DNA, the chance of getting caught by someone or on surveillance etc. DM's plan was to destroy evidence and not leave it behind. As for framing, there are numerous way to do that in a not so obvious but slimy way; MS's cigarette butts, showing MS the gun and allowing him to hold it, leaving his prints and DNA on it, MS going along for the test drive leaving his DNA and prints behind. Those could be a few examples and I'm sure you can conjure up many more in your own mind Juballee. Could it be MS had his hood up because it was a cold night and they may have walked a fair distance or been outside for some time? Many guys around MS's age walk around with the hoods of their hoodies up. So that's considered a disguise to you? Hope you're not suspicious of all those people out their with their hoods up. MOO.

The second man was shorter, at approximately 5’9” or 5’10”, police said. He had a small to medium build with dark hair and was wearing a red hooded sweatshirt.
http://globalnews.ca/news/551499/hamilton-police-to-provide-update-on-tim-bosma-case/

The man was able to add to the description of the men Bosma’s wife provided to police.

Both men are white and believed to be in their early 20s.

The first man is described as about 6-foot-1 or 6-foot-2, 170 to 180 pounds, with short light to medium brown hair, unshaven, wearing blue jeans, a long-sleeve orange shirt, running shoes and several tattoos on his arms.

Most notably of the tattoos was the word “ambition,” framed by a box, tattooed on his wrist “where a person wears a watch,” Kavanagh said.

The second man is 5-foot-9 or 5-foot-10, with a small to medium build, dark hair and wore a red hooded sweatshirt with the hood up over his head.


http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/10/missing-hamilton-man-tim-bosnas-cell-phone-found-in-brantford

BTW I said, The fact there are so many things linking DM to Tim's murder certainly makes him appear guilty. Again HTH and MOO.
 
I went back and checked my link to be sure and yes, it did have the dual rear wheels. Then I thought maybe that is without the commission for the dealer so I clicked to find what I specified at a dealer. It came up with one in Woodbridge with the Cummins engine, the dual rear wheels and the fifth wheel/gooseneck towing package for $74,725. So about halfway between my first one and yours. If someone knew what they wanted in it, I don't know why they wouldn't go ahead and order one, rather than taking whatever's available on the lot and maybe paying for what they don't want and not getting all that they do want.

JMO

Crew cab? So what do you figure that price would be after tax and licensing? Maybe around $85,000, more than my original estimate? And if you need one quick, you can't wait for them to "build one to order", you take what's available. And as I'm sure you found, there are few Ram 3500's with those features sitting around on dealer lots at this time of the year.

MOO
 
Where do you do your shopping? I built a brand new 2015 Ram 3500 with the biggest Cummins Turbo Diesel engine, and chose all the most expensive options, in Toronto, and could only get the price up to $63,610. Not sure where you're buying one for $80,000 and then paying an extra $21,000 for the engine on top.

http://www.ramtruck.ca/buildandprice/en/#/configurator/RAM/3500/16098/CAC50RMT136A0?mode=buildAndPrice&backToUrl=http:%2F%2Fwww%7Cramtruck%7Cca%2Fen%2F2015%2F3500%2Foverview&sniMode=my

When your friends buy vehicles, do you grill them on what bank they went to or where they were getting the money from? I guess I'm lucky that, in my crowd, we consider our personal finances exactly that, personal.

JMO

Women tend not to talk about vehicles the same way guys do IMO. Generally that's a guys thing and I'm not being stereotypical. Carp when my hubby gets together with his buddies, that's a huge part of their discussions, oh and sports also. They talk about vehicles of every make and model, motorcycles, snowmobiles to race cars and everything in between; prices, engines, ratings, performance, design, what they would like and what they could afford. You know all that good stuff. Personally being a woman I think I would rather stick to discussing with my friends our common interest such as ballet, opera, art, fine dining, shopping and fine wine. ;) JMO.
 
Crew cab? So what do you figure that price would be after tax and licensing? Maybe around $85,000, more than my original estimate? And if you need one quick, you can't wait for them to "build one to order", you take what's available. And as I'm sure you found, there are few Ram 3500's with those features sitting around on dealer lots at this time of the year.

MOO

Kamille, are you pulling my tail?! ;) :laughcry:
 
DM may have wanted to buy a used truck, just as easily as he may have wanted to modify his engine. There is nothing to indicate either one, only each individual's personal suspicions.

I realize this wasn't directed at me, but I personally have no desire to look up dates and deadlines to Baja races because I personally have heard absolutely no evidence to make me assume it was even his intent to enter the next one. If there is evidence that I've missed showing that he did intend to enter it, please feel free as well to provide the link. I'm sure some others may be interested to see that there is something behind your belief, if that is the case. Otherwise, anyone else's thoughts are no more wrong than your own. The tattoos were done before the 2011 race. How is that indicative of any intent to continue entering future races? BTW, if it was the same race you think he wanted to enter, he was a little late since the Baja 500 was at the end of May 2013. That wouldn't leave him any time to enter, let alone change engines in his truck first.

I believe what you mean is that you have seen no evidence of him having a job. Not all things online are allowed to be linked here. You're asking if there is anything that says MS wasn't living at DM's right up until the night of the test drive. Probably not, but there is also nothing that says he was.

JMO

If DM wanted to buy a used truck, why didn't he? Why was there a dead man in an incinerator on his property and that man's stolen truck in a trailer in his mother's driveway? And I don't believe the notion that MS had access to the MillardAir hangar to get the trailer, the keys to DM's truck to tow the trailer and single handedly disposed of TB in the incinerator on DM's farm using either the truck that LE were searching for or one of DM's vehicles to accomplish all this without any knowledge on DM's part. He went to work after the trailer was parked at MB's. Didn't he notice the trailer missing?

You are correct, the request for looking up info was not directed to you. You are usually very helpful at looking up and posting info when presenting your opinions. The post it was directed at was a request from someone for others to look up information and present it. I simply stated that they could look up the information to present their point of view rather than demand that others do it to present the opposing point of view.

FWIW, there was no advance pre registration neccessary to enter the 2013 Baja 500 race. You could still register after the 24th of May by paying an extra $200. You could register right up until the event started. The event was from May 31st - June 2nd. No required registration for entry months in advance. The truck was stolen May 6th so they would have had about 3 weeks to change out the engines. This may have determined if they were going to make the trip.

What legitimate link to a job that MS held would not be permitted to be posted here? Media was scrambling for info on MS. If they had been able to come up with a place of employment they would have been all over it IMO.

http://score-international.com/2013-baja-500/

MOO
 
Do you know for a fact that it broke down? I can base my assumption that it did just fine on the facts that it got him there in time for the race, it got him back home again, and it continued to be in his possession two years later.

JMO

Of course I don't know if it broke down. Who knows, maybe it broke down on the way home and cost Mr. Frugal a fortune in towing it and his trailer. Just because it's was in his possession for those past two years, doesn't mean it didn't have mechanical problems. Doesn't mean he wasn't looking to steal someone's truck to take the motor out of it and drop it into his.

DM likely had plans for the next up and coming Baja race in Mexico. Typically people who enter Baha racing or any other type of racing are pretty committed. Not to mention, it gets into their blood. Why bother investing all that money into a racing vehicle to have it just sit in a garage? That would not be like DM if he is frugal. MOO.

BTW anyone know where that red Dodge is now? TIA. Did it sell on Kijiji also? Maybe it was hauled off as scrap. If the engine was gone in it, it likely wasn't worth much to anyone. JMO

He is passionate about cars and even employed a mechanic to look after his collection, but after starting a 500-mile off-road race on Mexico’s Baja peninsula two years ago, he and his friend pulled their yellow Jeep TJ out of the race at the sixth mile, a competitor said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/
 
Of course I don't know if it broke down. Who knows, maybe it broke down on the way home and cost Mr. Frugal a fortune in towing it and his trailer. Just because it's was in his possession for those past two years, doesn't mean it didn't have mechanical problems. Doesn't mean he wasn't looking to steal someone's truck to take the motor out of it and drop it into his.

DM likely had plans for the next up and coming Baja race in Mexico. Typically people who enter Baha racing or any other type of racing are pretty committed. Not to mention, it gets into their blood. Why bother investing all that money into a racing vehicle to have it just sit in a garage? That would not be like DM if he is frugal. MOO.

BTW anyone know where that red Dodge is now? TIA. Did it sell on Kijiji also? Maybe it was hauled off as scrap. If the engine was gone in it, it likely wasn't worth much to anyone. JMO

He is passionate about cars and even employed a mechanic to look after his collection, but after starting a 500-mile off-road race on Mexico’s Baja peninsula two years ago, he and his friend pulled their yellow Jeep TJ out of the race at the sixth mile, a competitor said.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

BBM

Excellent point. Why did he have a $90,000 modified racing jeep if he had no intention of racing it? What did he build it for if not to race it? Why get a Baja500 tattoo with no intention to race in it again?

Good question about the red truck. Is it being held for evidence? Was it sold with the other vehicle inventory?

Does anyone have a screen cap of the yellow jeep for sale? What kind of engine was in it?
 
Thoughts about DM's ambition tattoo. Did he receive this tattoo in another country and assumed no local tattoo artist would be able to ID it and him? Did he believe none of his friends would consider him as someone who would steal a truck therefore he assumed they wouldn't call in tips? Was there an actual box tattooed around the word or was DM odd enough to draw the box around it thinking that would disguise it? Was the business owner mistaken about the box?

It has been reported the suspects were to arrive earlier that evening for the test drive but showed up late. I cannot find the link at this time but will continue to look. I know the information is in my timeline. With that, I wonder if DM had called TB one time only to set up a date and time to test drive his truck, or maybe there were other calls placed from different phones? Is it possible they played telephone tag and DM left a voice mail and call back number for TB?

Just some random thoughts and questions, I guess TWT.
 
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