Mark Smich: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories

[MsSherlock]

I seem to recall a discussion about that here too, some people were saying that he isn't a pilot, and others agreed, but I don't know if they formed a consensus or not

IMHO, Juballee, there's no concensus needed. There are vid's of DM flying his helicopter = DM has a pilots license for a helicopter. The conversation stemmed around DM's ability to fly any of the multi-engine aircraft that Millardair had in the hangar and if he only had a Private Pilot Helicopter license, the answer would be no.

 

[Alethea Dice]

??? Alethea, I'm not linking anything because IMHO, it's a documented fact that DM did both his fixed wing and rotary wing student licenses when he was only 14. I'm not sure about the emergency training in a helicopter- but perhaps our helicopter expert Arni can. You don't get to skip various training exercises because of your age. IMHO DM may not have kept his private pilots license current like he did his helicopter(rotary) license- but he still had a "pilots" license. Maybe Arni will tell us what excitement is included in whirly bird emergency training- but IMHO, I seriously doubt that it doesn't include a healthy dose of adrenaline! MOO

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. It seems that his role as a "pilot" is either down-played or up-played (is that a word?) depending on the specific subject of the moment.

JMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

Snooper, IMHO, there are two factors here. Firstly, DM was emersed in aviation. IMO, instead of going to the playground when he was a kid, he was hanging out in an old hangar at Pearson with his Gramps and friends. Secondly, DM was an only child and only grandchild of 2 aviators- nothing would make them happier than to have one of their own break a record in aviation. IMHO, the childhood of DM was less than optimum for social development with his peers. Perhaps offering "the good life" to people, the things that only money could buy, was the way he finally learned to make friends.
But over in MS's life, he was the son of a middle class, run of the mill family. IMHO, MS is an open book. Typical non motivated type in school (do we know where he went and if he even graduated?), no expectations of college or university, some questionable friends, a pile of gal pals that just wanted to hang with him, a few "risky activities" and the best highs that his money could buy...however much money he had at the time. MOO

I believe I asked something similar to this before and received no answer. Could you please provide some links of some of the articles that have helped you form these opinions of MS? How do you know the class status of his family - what do his family do for a living? What gives you the impression that he was not motivated in school and didn't want to attend college or university - simply because of his earlier charges that started about the same time he would be graduating high school? Who is this "pile of gal pals" that wanted to hang with him? And how do you know the quality or extent of his "highs"? I realize that this is all based on your opinion, but usually there is some kind of basis that helps to form that opinion.

TIA

 

[MsSherlock]

I believe I asked something similar to this before and received no answer. Could you please provide some links of some of the articles that have helped you form these opinions of MS? How do you know the class status of his family - what do his family do for a living? What gives you the impression that he was not motivated in school and didn't want to attend college or university - simply because of his earlier charges that started about the same time he would be graduating high school? Who is this "pile of gal pals" that wanted to hang with him? And how do you know the quality or extent of his "highs"? I realize that this is all based on your opinion, but usually there is some kind of basis that helps to form that opinion.

TIA

Alethia, IMHO, that's precisely what MHO means. Solely, MOO. Totally my perception having been well emersed in the land of kids/young adults his age, being a parent of 3 kids who are 3 1/2 years apart start to finish. Matter of fact, they're all within the same age group as DM & MS. Of course, my perception is the way that I view the world based on my particular experiences and beliefs when it comes to the sociology of young adults in this age group. It was my understanding that when we are posting your own thoughts we put the MOO, IMHO or MHO to direct fellow sleuthers to the fact that there are no links to facts and that the comments are simply our own views. MOO

 

[Juballee]

IMHO, Juballee, there's no concensus needed. There are vid's of DM flying his helicopter = DM has a pilots license for a helicopter. The conversation stemmed around DM's ability to fly any of the multi-engine aircraft that Millardair had in the hangar and if he only had a Private Pilot Helicopter license, the answer would be no.

I was actually joking around with AD because I believe she and I remember the same discussion, hence the winky face.

I don't expect to find any consensus here except for everyone to agree that we all want to see justice for all the victims and their families.

 

[Juballee]

I'd also like to hear more about MS, we know everything about DM. I believe that we know more about MB than we do about MS. If he was really from a typical middle class Oakville neighbourhood, he would have been expected to go to college or university, he would have been expected to have his own vehicle and be on his way to owning his first home by now, in my opinion. Oakville is fairly gentrified for those not familiar with it, it is one of the more expensive areas of the GTA from what I know, so not a lot of gangsters there, I would guess. Wouldn't that make MS less than typical for middle class kids raised in that area?

If he is such an open book, it would be interesting to hear more about what is actually written on those pages. Did he finish high school? The only thing I remember about him and high school was hearing that he sold cigarettes to underage school kids, and to me that just sounds like someone Very desperate for money.

Were his parents supporting him the way we assume DM's family business was supporting him? Is he getting legal aid, how is he paying for his lawyer? Any predilections for bizarre snacks, do we even know his tattoos or his grandparents names? Where is a list of all the properties his family has ever owned?

From the vast difference in the volumes of information collected on DM compared to MS, you would think that DM was the most interesting man in the world and MS was just some run of the mill crook no one is surprised to see facing a murder charge or two.

 

[Alethea Dice]

Alethia, IMHO, that's precisely what MHO means. Solely, MOO. Totally my perception having been well emersed in the land of kids/young adults his age, being a parent of 3 kids who are 3 1/2 years apart start to finish. Matter of fact, they're all within the same age group as DM & MS. Of course, my perception is the way that I view the world based on my particular experiences and beliefs when it comes to the sociology of young adults in this age group. It was my understanding that when we are posting your own thoughts we put the MOO, IMHO or MHO to direct fellow sleuthers to the fact that there are no links to facts and that the comments are simply our own views. MOO

Sorry, your opinion of MS has been so detailed that I thought you might have had some references that led you to those conclusions. I didn't ask for links to your opinions, simply for links of what may have led you to those conclusions. Regardless, thank you for letting me know that it is just what you've arrived at from your personal parenting experiences. I'm sure there are a few of us who have children in that age group and not all would compartmentalize our children's peers to such an extent. Some of my children's peers have also gone down the wrong path at times, some temporary/some not, and not all of them would fit your perception. In fact, one in particular is almost the complete opposite of what you have described. Doesn't matter, we all have different life experiences.

JMO

 

[swedie]

I'd also like to hear more about MS, we know everything about DM. I believe that we know more about MB than we do about MS. If he was really from a typical middle class Oakville neighbourhood, he would have been expected to go to college or university, he would have been expected to have his own vehicle and be on his way to owning his first home by now, in my opinion. Oakville is fairly gentrified for those not familiar with it, it is one of the more expensive areas of the GTA from what I know, so not a lot of gangsters there, I would guess. Wouldn't that make MS less than typical for middle class kids raised in that area?

If he is such an open book, it would be interesting to hear more about what is actually written on those pages. Did he finish high school? The only thing I remember about him and high school was hearing that he sold cigarettes to underage school kids, and to me that just sounds like someone Very desperate for money.

Were his parents supporting him the way we assume DM's family business was supporting him? Is he getting legal aid, how is he paying for his lawyer? Any predilections for bizarre snacks, do we even know his tattoos or his grandparents names? Where is a list of all the properties his family has ever owned?

From the vast difference in the volumes of information collected on DM compared to MS, you would think that DM was the most interesting man in the world and MS was just some run of the mill crook no one is surprised to see facing a murder charge or two.

:waitasec: We do? We know everything about DM? I don't think we know enough about DM. Is there more you're able to share about him? I would like to know more of the positive information about him if there is any.

We don't know much about MS, but certainly we know more about him than MB IMO. Yes it could be helpful to have more information of MS, but it's just not out there. No one in the MSM seems as interested in him as DM. Could it be because DM appears to be the more guilty one in this case? I am not really interested in MB TBH. She's only DM's, an alleged serial killer's mother, a victim of circumstances. I would imagine she doesn't need the unnecessary attention, poor woman, so we've pretty much left her alone. JMHO.

 

[matou]

I don't even think DM's own girlfriends knew everything about him so how would we? What about his own family? JMO

 

[Arnie M]

Does anyone actually believe that MS was the driving force behind acquiring a Dodge Ram 3500 truck? Does he seem like the type that would need or want such a vehicle? Did he have any large trailers to tow? Was he part of the Baja crowd? Did he have an interest in cars or trucks at all?

Did he purchase the burner phone that made the contacts to Dodge Ram owners to arrange for test drives? Did he make the calls and set up the appointments? Why would DM be the driver on these test drives if MS was the one interested in the vehicle? Can't remember but who did SB say was doing all the talking in her driveway? And who was representing himself as the interested party to the "guy that got away" the day before? Why wouldn't DM offer MS his on staff mechanic to go on a test drive with him?

So are we to believe that DM said to MS, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to steal one and kill the owner, you in?" And MS said "Sure, sounds like fun." Or was it more like, "I need parts for my Ram so I'm going to car jack one. I need you to drive my vehicle once I get on the test drive and steal the truck."?

MOO

Hi Kamille , I highlighted part of your post above because it is something I have also pondered from the start .... it does not seem plausable that MS would simply hop in for a ride involving a theft and murder

There is only one way a scenario like that could work

And that would be if both DM & MS also acted together in the disappearance of LB ... in other words if MS & DM were both participants in the LB situation , there is no reason not to "trust each other" in another murder.

 

[swedie]

Hi Kamille , I highlighted part of your post above because it is something I have also pondered from the start .... it does not seem plausable that MS would simply hop in for a ride involving a theft and murder

There is only one way a scenario like that could work

And that would be if both DM & MS also acted together in the disappearance of LB ... in other words if MS & DM were both participants in the LB situation , there is no reason not to "trust each other" in another murder.

What I find interesting is how DM is the sole person charged with WM's murder. That tells me DM acted alone murdering his father. DM didn't want to involve MS, murdering was his secret. If MS was involved in LB's murder, that would have been easier for DM to get MS to carry out the murder of WM and leaving himself with a solid alibi.

If DM involved MS in LB's murder and trusted him, wouldn't you think he would have involved MS in WM's murder also just in case LE found holes in the investigation, DM would try and shift LE's sights on MS being the murderer of his father?

Did DM invite MS out to the farmland property during the incinerating of both LB and TB without MS knowing DM was incinerating his victims? Did DM take pictures of MS by the incinerator and that is the evidence LE have against MS?

I honestly see MS being an innocent dupe as far as the murders of LB and TB go. MS may have been interested in stealing a truck with DM, because he was somehow involved in the picture during both crimes, he's carrying the blame and charges also. All MOO.

 

[Kamille]

I'd also like to hear more about MS, we know everything about DM. I believe that we know more about MB than we do about MS. If he was really from a typical middle class Oakville neighbourhood, he would have been expected to go to college or university, he would have been expected to have his own vehicle and be on his way to owning his first home by now, in my opinion. Oakville is fairly gentrified for those not familiar with it, it is one of the more expensive areas of the GTA from what I know, so not a lot of gangsters there, I would guess. Wouldn't that make MS less than typical for middle class kids raised in that area?

If he is such an open book, it would be interesting to hear more about what is actually written on those pages. Did he finish high school? The only thing I remember about him and high school was hearing that he sold cigarettes to underage school kids, and to me that just sounds like someone Very desperate for money.

Were his parents supporting him the way we assume DM's family business was supporting him? Is he getting legal aid, how is he paying for his lawyer? Any predilections for bizarre snacks, do we even know his tattoos or his grandparents names? Where is a list of all the properties his family has ever owned?

From the vast difference in the volumes of information collected on DM compared to MS, you would think that DM was the most interesting man in the world and MS was just some run of the mill crook no one is surprised to see facing a murder charge or two.

Well here's all the media needed to know about MS to make them uninterested in his background and particulars and why they didn't bother to do any investigative reporting about him. He did not have a dead body in his incinerator on his property. He did not have that dead man's truck in a trailer that he owned in his mother's driveway. He did not appear to be the main perpetrator of this crime. Still doesn't IMO.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Hi Kamille , I highlighted part of your post above because it is something I have also pondered from the start .... it does not seem plausable that MS would simply hop in for a ride involving a theft and murder

There is only one way a scenario like that could work

And that would be if both DM & MS also acted together in the disappearance of LB ... in other words if MS & DM were both participants in the LB situation , there is no reason not to "trust each other" in another murder.

Hi Arnie :wave:

I do believe that the LB situation may have cemented a certain type of "friendship" between MS and DM in which DM would trust him, or they'd trust each other, to help with other nefarious activities, but at this time I just cannot get on board with the idea that either of them set out to murder the owner of the vehicle that they wanted to car jack. But I do believe that at least one of them considered that it might be a possibility if the victim did not comply and may have brought a weapon "just in case". And yes, I do believe that the one who may have brought a weapon was DM considering he is the only one who has been tied to the sale of a gun at the moment. I am on the fence, however, about whether I think MS was aware of this little detail or whether he thought this was going to be just a car jacking. Might explain why he was trying to hide his features when he walked up to the house because he was afraid that the victim himself might be able to identify him later...assuming that he was expecting that victim to live of course.

MOO

 

[Arnie M]

??? Alethea, I'm not linking anything because IMHO, it's a documented fact that DM did both his fixed wing and rotary wing student licenses when he was only 14. I'm not sure about the emergency training in a helicopter- but perhaps our helicopter expert Arni can. You don't get to skip various training exercises because of your age. IMHO DM may not have kept his private pilots license current like he did his helicopter(rotary) license- but he still had a "pilots" license. Maybe Arni will tell us what excitement is included in whirly bird emergency training- but IMHO, I seriously doubt that it doesn't include a healthy dose of adrenaline! MOO

Yes , a healthy dose of adrenalin is pumping while flying a helicopter , both hands and both feet are constantly making tiny split-second control movements , it is a continuous balancing act , a helicopter is a very unstable machine , if the pilot was to let go of the controls the whole machine would self destruct in a matter of seconds.

DM would certainly have been capable of engine-off emergency landings before he could fly solo , and when he got his full license he would have to demonstrate all those things to the examiner , and I expect he went all the way and got his commercial pilots license (you cannot be paid to fly unless you have a commercial rating)

Yet it is the most exhilarating fun a person can have without taking their clothes off ... those small control movements become sub-conscious , the machine becomes an extension of yourself , and your thoughts go into motion .... hard to explain .... because if you watch the pilot , he sits like a statue , hardly appears to be moving , yet he is making hundreds of tiny movements controlling hundreds of rotating pieces of machinery , all in order to sit in one spot in the air without moving (hover)

[video=youtube;BGywP1-ZPAk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGywP1-ZPAk[/video]

 

[cansleuther]

If 'classfinders' and 'allhighschools' online listings are correct, it appears that MS attended St. Ignatius of Loyola Secondary School in Oakville and graduated in 2006.

 

[matou]

I see that Tricia has this particular thread linked on her twitter! SHE must think there's something to this too! JMO

Tricia Griffith ‏@websleuths Apr 16
Mark Smich: Innocent Dupe? Alternative Theories: ---Quote---
TORONTO – Mark Smich was formally charged with f... http://bit.ly/1CNgJrb

 

[MsSherlock]

Sorry, your opinion of MS has been so detailed that I thought you might have had some references that led you to those conclusions. I didn't ask for links to your opinions, simply for links of what may have led you to those conclusions. Regardless, thank you for letting me know that it is just what you've arrived at from your personal parenting experiences. I'm sure there are a few of us who have children in that age group and not all would compartmentalize our children's peers to such an extent. Some of my children's peers have also gone down the wrong path at times, some temporary/some not, and not all of them would fit your perception. In fact, one in particular is almost the complete opposite of what you have described. Doesn't matter, we all have different life experiences.

JMO

But, then again, IMHO MS does have supporters. People who have known him and his family for years seem to have a hard time believing that he's involved as well.

The friend said she has known the Smich family for years and doesn’t believe the accused, aged 25, is a person who would commit such a crime.

“The accusations are quite concerning. We just don’t know him as a person who would do such a thing,” she said.

“He’s very social. He has a lot of friends. He’s very family oriented. He loves his sisters and mother. He really takes a part in her life. He’s a positive, good person.”

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...akville-s-smich-shocked-by-murder-accusation/

 

[MsSherlock]

"So who is Mark Smich? We know his parents are split and he lives with his mom in a nice suburban home. We know that in legal parlance, he is known to police. Smich has an outstanding charge of mischief under $5,000 for allegedly tagging graffiti on a highway overpass. He also has five minor convictions - two of them for drug possession dating back to 2005 and 2006 and one for impaired driving in 2009."

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/23/killer-video-for-bosma-accused

 

[MsSherlock]

"Cora Dacunha told Global News that Smich was an “amazing person,” adding that “he’ll do anything for you” before she broke down in tears.

A former friend told the Post that Smich moved with his mother from Mississauga when his parents separated a decade ago. "

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/tim-bosma-murder-suspect-mark-smich-162553578.html

So from the last few posts- IMHO, MS was a "nice" guy who had a bit of a drug problem. Perhaps an aspiring artist? Looks like he graduated high school and funny enough, not one single person has come forward to say that he was trouble looking for a place to happen. IMO, there are two things glaring at me. MS just happened to be living in DM's basement when WM was murdered? Very bad timing to be in a house if you're a house guest- but it's extremely convenient to have a guy with a rap sheet living in your basement when your dad gets shot, just in case LE decide to throw out the homicide card.

Second is the gore video. MS gets the opportunity to star in a slasher video in May/12? Nothing brings more attention to a psycho than some blood and gore, up on youtube, optimized for a name search on MS??...just in time delivery for LB's exit? IMHO, if I can't help but think that LB's murder was just as bad as TB's and MS was DM's perfect scapegoat. MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

But, then again, IMHO MS does have supporters. People who have known him and his family for years seem to have a hard time believing that he's involved as well.

The friend said she has known the Smich family for years and doesn’t believe the accused, aged 25, is a person who would commit such a crime.

“The accusations are quite concerning. We just don’t know him as a person who would do such a thing,” she said.

“He’s very social. He has a lot of friends. He’s very family oriented. He loves his sisters and mother. He really takes a part in her life. He’s a positive, good person.”

http://www.insidehalton.com/news-st...akville-s-smich-shocked-by-murder-accusation/

People said good things about DM as well, and that was all pooh poohed away with comments like there are always neighbours and friends who say they are shocked and can't believe it when something like this happens. The same can be said for MS.

JMO