Max's Scooter

[inthedark14]

You can also see in one of the upstairs hallway photos that there is a big scuff on the wall, down low. I would bet this came from play. I'm also wondering if that is how the paint got on the scooter wheel and if it was on there before the accident. This would be important to know in any recreation of the accident. I still contend the paint on the wall would probably be different than the paint on the banister, staircase, and newell post and that this could be easily tested.

I'd agree with you, but we know that the mansion underwent extensive renovations, I'd guess that any and all paint, carpeting, etc., in any of the areas where these awful things happened has been removed and changed. I would doubt that there are samples left to test.

 

[Inparadise]

I'd agree with you, but we know that the mansion underwent extensive renovations, I'd guess that any and all paint, carpeting, etc., in any of the areas where these awful things happened has been removed and changed. I would doubt that there are samples left to test.

From what I can see from the front door (while it has been standing open for long periods of time while construction work has been going on), it appears as though the bannister has not been changed.......repainted perhaps, but that is all.

 

[time]

I'd agree with you, but we know that the mansion underwent extensive renovations, I'd guess that any and all paint, carpeting, etc., in any of the areas where these awful things happened has been removed and changed. I would doubt that there are samples left to test.

Yeah, I should have said "could have been".... although it appears that Dina's experts had access at least back in October of 2011. Was it already repainted then?

 

[Gilgamesh]

It's still a mystery to me why JS would let DS' experts in but not the Zahaus. The scenario for that was.......? ( I don't expect an answer, BTW)

 

[Inparadise]

Yeah, I should have said "could have been".... although it appears that Dina's experts had access at least back in October of 2011. Was it already repainted then?

I remember seeing workmen in the house and the garage in either October or November of last year.....will have to go back through my notes and double-check the date. This was the first time after the events of July, 2011 that anyone was in the house, and I believe it was also when the door with the painted message was returned by SDSO. The furniture (or much of it) was removed around the same time in the middle of the night.

 

[freespeech]

Semi-gloss paint is usually found on wooden surfaces. I don't know why though. Possibly because it is heavier and stands up to more frequent cleaning.

Flat paint is generally used on walls. The matte finish is more attractive when used on large surfaces and doesn't compete with other design elements.

There would definitely be a chemical difference between the two, I would think, no? The paint transfer on the wheel kind of looks like flat paint but you can't really tell from a photo. It could be a thin layer if semi gloss too.

However, I think that the point was that fresh paint was on the wheel. If the paint had been transferred to the wheel the day before it would have been rubbed off when Max was riding on the carpeting.

Also, I feel that the shape of the paint transfer on the wheel is more indicative that the wheel passed over the top of a painted surface. How would the paint transfer look if the wheel bumped into the wall? Would it be on the side of the wheel instead of down the center of the tread?

 

[freespeech]

When repainting is done the old paint is not usually stripped but parts are scrapped and sanded prior to applying fresh paint. A skilled workman and chemist could probably figure it out. However, I don't know how practical that would be.

Nonetheless, there is much interest in forensic investigatory technique so who knows. Possibly a highly creative person in that field can suggest some innovative technique to test the paint found on the wheel.

 

[Inparadise]

Yeah, I should have said "could have been".... although it appears that Dina's experts had access at least back in October of 2011. Was it already repainted then?

IMO, I think that Jonah allowed Dina and her experts access because he believed that by doing so, Dina's rage against Rebecca would be further fueled, and that she would not consider the possibility that he and/or his older children were present when Max's accident occurred.

 

[freespeech]

Also, did anyone notice that the chandelier was crushed on top. That could indicate that something fell on it. If an object fell on it from above, then the force of that could have pulled open the link which caused it to fall.

Also, the glass could have caused Max's facial abrasions and cuts. Apparently it was sharp enough to require Rebecca's sister to need suturing.

 

[freespeech]

If Max fell while straddling the railing and landed face down then possibly the scooter fell on his back and caused the seven shaped abrasion.

Rebecca could not remember whether she turned him over or not. I am thinking that she was somewhat hysterical at the time.

I wonder if when he was face down and his spinal cord was going into shock whether early in that process he could speak or not. If Rebecca moved him by turning him over then possibly that insult deepened the damage and caused him to go unconscious.

After the insult to the brain and spinal cord he went into cardiac arrest, stopped breathing and "suffocated."

I think Rebecca lost it at that point because she though Max died and he probably did at that point but was brought back to life later by the efforts of the EMT.

I don't think any of this was Rebecca's fault. It was a sad and tragic accident. The only thing I blame is the scooter inside the house and the steep stairway.

I think Rebecca did the best she knew how. She also knew that Dina would be extemely angry and blame her because the police officer documented that she said Dina is going to kill me. I think that is why she was probably happy to put her sister on a plane out of there.

However, there is no evidence as to why Ocean was boarded, her sister left town or even why the tenants were asked to leave after the accident. What is apparent, however, is that the place was emptied out in a hurry immediately following Max's accident.

 

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When repainting is done the old paint is not usually stripped but parts are scrapped and sanded prior to applying fresh paint. A skilled workman and chemist could probably figure it out. However, I don't know how practical that would be.

Nonetheless, there is much interest in forensic investigatory technique so who knows. Possibly a highly creative person in that field can suggest some innovative technique to test the paint found on the wheel.

At the least, they could just test the paint on the wheel against the other paint on the scooter.

 

[MyBelle]

At the least, they could just test the paint on the wheel against the other paint on the scooter.

What exactly will that prove? We already know the scooter was in the upstairs hallway the day previous to Max's injuries. There is no way to prove when the scooter came into contact or whether someone was riding it when it came into contact or that it came into contact accidentally rather than intentionally.

JMO

 

[freespeech]

What exactly will that prove? We already know the scooter was in the upstairs hallway the day previous to Max's injuries. There is no way to prove when the scooter came into contact or whether someone was riding it when it came into contact or that it came into contact accidentally rather than intentionally.

JMO

If Dina is looking for a death investigation to give her answers then it will be important to know whether that Max was tragically injured in a scooter accident. The paint should be analyzed to show that.

Knowing her son had an unfortunate accident has to better for her soul than her believing that he was murdered, imo.

 

[time]

What exactly will that prove? We already know the scooter was in the upstairs hallway the day previous to Max's injuries. There is no way to prove when the scooter came into contact or whether someone was riding it when it came into contact or that it came into contact accidentally rather than intentionally.

JMO

As I've already said, it's just to weed out 'evidence' that may not really pertain to the accident.

Why would anyone want to try and recreate the accident with pieces of information that don't pertain?

As I said a long time ago, I can't see the paint on the wheel as being connected to the scooter involvement in the accident, although it's possible and it would have possibly have been possible to connect it to what area it came from.

I appears to me that the other paint on the scooter did come from the Newell Post just like it appears the markings on Max's back came from the scooter. Neither of these seem to obviously jive with Melinek's claims. Furthermore, I think a better construction of the accident would explain how the chandelier was involved. And, it would possibly explain any scrape Melinek is trying to claim came from an assault - which I do not believe anyway. Also, Melinek was trying to claim the marks on Max's back came from backing into or being pushed into the staircase.... I can't see that at all.

No matter what evil you have claimed about me, I have made numerous posts on getting to the bottom of Max's accident.

 

[time]

Semi-gloss paint is usually found on wooden surfaces. I don't know why though. Possibly because it is heavier and stands up to more frequent cleaning.

Flat paint is generally used on walls. The matte finish is more attractive when used on large surfaces and doesn't compete with other design elements.

There would definitely be a chemical difference between the two, I would think, no? The paint transfer on the wheel kind of looks like flat paint but you can't really tell from a photo. It could be a thin layer if semi gloss too.

However, I think that the point was that fresh paint was on the wheel. If the paint had been transferred to the wheel the day before it would have been rubbed off when Max was riding on the carpeting.

Also, I feel that the shape of the paint transfer on the wheel is more indicative that the wheel passed over the top of a painted surface. How would the paint transfer look if the wheel bumped into the wall? Would it be on the side of the wheel instead of down the center of the tread?

Yes, flat paint and semigloss or gloss would be different. Also, latex is almost always used on walls, but sometimes oil-based enamel is used on areas like staircases and such.

You could be right about the other stuff, but the paint on the wheel looked to me like the scooter was ridden pretty parallel to the wall and creates that kind or rubbing transfer, e.g., the wheel ended up sideways against the wall, not head on bumping. Sometimes when moving forward at a very slight angle, those wheeled playthings get stuck up against them. Or maybe Max was sort of riding toward the wall and the wheel turned - does that happen on scooters? I've seen that happen before but that doesn't mean it's what happened here - just someone would be able to tell, I think.

 

[MyBelle]

As I've already said, it's just to weed out 'evidence' that may not really pertain to the accident.

Why would anyone want to try and recreate the accident with pieces of information that don't pertain?

As I said a long time ago, I can't see the paint on the wheel as being connected to the scooter involvement in the accident, although it's possible and it would have possibly have been possible to connect it to what area it came from.

I appears to me that the other paint on the scooter did come from the Newell Post just like it appears the markings on Max's back came from the scooter. Neither of these seem to obviously jive with Melinek's claims. Furthermore, I think a better construction of the accident would explain how the chandelier was involved. And, it would possibly explain any scrape Melinek is trying to claim came from an assault - which I do not believe anyway. Also, Melinek was trying to claim the marks on Max's back came from backing into or being pushed into the staircase.... I can't see that at all.

No matter what evil you have claimed about me, I have made numerous posts on getting to the bottom of Max's accident.

Kinda difficult to recreate an incident without a witness having seen it. Paint marks won't prove it was an accident vs. homicide.

All Melinek needed to point out--and she did so--is that Max's fall did not fit with LE's theory that was in the video. An ME forms a conclusion based on the evidence provided by LE and the evidence provided to Melenik doesn't support accidental anything in her professional opinion.

There is only one way to know for sure what happened and that is if a witness decides to grow a conscience and admits it.

JMO

 

[time]

Kinda difficult to recreate an incident without a witness having seen it. Paint marks won't prove it was an accident vs. homicide.

All Melinek needed to point out--and she did so--is that Max's fall did not fit with LE's theory that was in the video. An ME forms a conclusion based on the evidence provided by LE and the evidence provided to Melenik doesn't support accidental anything in her professional opinion.

There is only one way to know for sure what happened and that is if a witness decides to grow a conscience and admits it.

JMO

No, I don't believe all that is true. I think an adequate reconstruction that explains all the possible variables is in order. This is a bit more complicated because it's a complex accident, but it could be explained better than Gomez did.

I don't really care what Melinek 'thinks' at this point.

You want it to be a homicide so badly, you will only accept Melinek's 3 page report? Nothing points to a homicide, NOTHING.

I think to end all this speculation, a more accurate model and explanation of Max's accident is needed.

 

[MyBelle]

No, I don't believe all that is true. I think an adequate reconstruction that explains all the possible variables is in order. This is a bit more complicated because it's a complex accident, but it could be explained better than Gomez did.

I don't really care what Melinek 'thinks' at this point.

You want it to be a homicide so badly, you will only accept Melinek's 3 page report? Nothing points to a homicide, NOTHING.

I think to end all this speculation, a more accurate model and explanation of Max's accident is needed.

The expert reports point to an assault, not an accident.

They nor I will know it was a homicide unless it is investigated as such. I'm not sure why you insist the experts are wrong. You'd rather it all be swept under the rug?

JMO

 

[freespeech]

The expert reports point to an assault, not an accident.

They nor I will know it was a homicide unless it is investigated as such. I'm not sure why you insist the experts are wrong. You'd rather it all be swept under the rug?

JMO

Only one of three experts who studied the accident proposed a homicide scenario as the only one that fit and that was Dr. Melinek. However, since she did not rule out other possible non homicide scenarios then her opinion loses scientific validity, imo.

 

[time]

Only one of three experts who studied the accident proposed a homicide scenario as the only one that fit and that was Dr. Melinek. However, since she did not rule out other possible non homicide scenarios then her opinion loses scientific validity, imo.

Exactly. Melinek is the only 'expert' who claimed this was an assault in a very short report at that. She has lost all credibility on this case in my eyes.