MD - Cockeysville teen charged in murders of parents, two brothers *Guilty*

[MeoW333]

Reannan, thank you; i would agree with you that John Couey and Joseph Duncan are hard to forgive at all, as not only did they kill, they stole the innocence of victims, violent predators. This boy, in this case isn't a sex perv, so we can have more hope for him. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, after he killed them, he didn't stay in the house. He was uncomfortable able killing them to not stay there, as opposed to other cases of parenticide or familicide as in the case of Tess Damm's or where the children continued to stay in the same house they killed in. It show some remorse subconciously present or not in Nicolas' mind. The scary thing is, he didn't appear to have warning signs, it happened out of now where. It's important we find out what went on to see if we can find a pattern in this to prevent it in the future.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Please...You sound like the parents made him feel bad so he killed them all?? Lets think about this maybe he just wanted to kill them? We don't know maybe he was planning to kill them for a while now. There is obviously something wrong and I am too glad they don't execute children but I don't want this to get out either! Those boys that were killed had there whole lives a mother and father killed. He should be locked up for his whole life! But because people will say he was this or that he will probably get out!

what a waste!

Darlin, I didn't intend to make it sound like that. I'm simply trying to come up with some idea what was going on in this kid's head that made him murder his family. I'm not trying to say that he's not responsible. I'm not trying to say that he shouldn't be punished for life. I'd just like to know what made him do it. And, if it makes you feel any better, I agree that its a terrible waste.

 

[Malini2001]

Conflicting information is starting come out about the 15 yr old who murdered his family. According to at least 1 person, there were warning signs that were ignored. While on the school bus, he started talking about killing his parents, but nobody thought he was serious. What a shame nobody went to someone in authority.

Worth reading for another view of Nicholas.


http://www.examiner.com/a-1206228~Cockeysville_murder_suspect__portrayed_as__arrogant__rude_.html

 

[southcitymom]

I was looking at it objectively, marveling at the closeness of the community, when i mention their support. I've not seen it before in cases like this.

You are right, Meow. It is a beautiful thing and we can learn alot from it.

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

Reannan, thank you; i would agree with you that John Couey and Joseph Duncan are hard to forgive at all, as not only did they kill, they stole the innocence of victims, violent predators. This boy, in this case isn't a sex perv, so we can have more hope for him. As someone mentioned earlier in the thread, after he killed them, he didn't stay in the house. He was uncomfortable able killing them to not stay there, as opposed to other cases of parenticide or familicide as in the case of Tess Damm's or where the children continued to stay in the same house they killed in. It show some remorse subconciously present or not in Nicolas' mind. The scary thing is, he didn't appear to have warning signs, it happened out of now where. It's important we find out what went on to see if we can find a pattern in this to prevent it in the future.

I didn't see him leaving the house that night as being because he was too uncomfortable to stay there with their bodies. I felt like he left and spent the night with his friends to set up his alibi and he would be the poor innocent one to "discover" the bodies.

 

[Reannan]

This is one of those cases that makes me really wish there was some kind of EEG (eletroencephalogram - reads brain waves) to help determine if there is some abnormality in some people who just seem to snap. Reading at the link about the other side of Nick, where some people say he was a bully, and others do not is interesting. Obviously, he had problems - he murdered his entire family. Murdering the parents is one thing, but to take out his brothers also, tells me that this kid was totally disconnected from his family. I don't believe that happens over night. It he 'snapped', then why didn't he 'snap back' after the first bullet? Instead, he methodically went from bed to bed and shot each of them. I think there are some people who just are incapable of feeling human emotion. It will be interesting to see what happens in prison. If he is indeed, a kid who cannot control his temper, and who is prone to bullying, he is not going to fair well in prison. He is unquestionably a cold blooded murderer, but he is also a suburban white kid who was lucky enough to live a comfortable, bountiful life. Most of the other kids in prison are NOT from that background, and will not take kindly to being bullied.

 

[MeoW333]

It's now coming out that he showed some warning signs that went ignored. I guess people thought he was kidding about talking about killing his parents. In any case, hopefully in the future these warning signs will not be ignored no matter whose mouth it is coming from.
When i first read this case on here, i thought of my nephew. I could picture him doing something like this if i had to profile him. Unfortunately i am estranged from my sister due to disagreements and her bad parenting so there is little i could do without overstepping my bounds.


Seems he's got a high profile lawyer that also represented Malvo in the sniper case.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.co.browning07feb07,0,926870.story

 

[paddy01]

It's now coming out that he showed some warning signs that went ignored. I guess people thought he was kidding about talking about killing his parents. In any case, hopefully in the future these warning signs will not be ignored no matter whose mouth it is coming from.
When i first read this case on here, i thought of my nephew. I could picture him doing something like this if i had to profile him. Unfortunately i am estranged from my sister due to disagreements and her bad parenting so there is little i could do without overstepping my bounds.


Seems he's got a high profile lawyer that also represented Malvo in the sniper case.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.co.browning07feb07,0,926870.story

Nicholas Browning's court appointed guardians have hired
Joshua R. Treem, a Baltimore defense attorney and former federal posecutor to represent the teen. Gerald Martin who worked with Treem in the Maryland U.S. Attorneys's office stated "He fights like a dog for his clients. "He'll raise every issue that can be raised," and "This kid's not going to be without a lot of help from Josh, and from what I knew of about Nicholas's father, he'd want him to have the best lawyer that he could have."
IMHO, I feel most parents even under these circumstances would
want the best for their children. I'm probably going to have a lot of
people disagree with what "I feel." & that's okay, just don't be too
mean!

 

[SewingDeb]

His father is probably rolling in his grave.

 

[nanandjim]

...
Seems he's got a high profile lawyer that also represented Malvo in the sniper case...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Malvo didn't benefit from having a high powered attorney, did he?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Malvo didn't benefit from having a high powered attorney, did he?

He didn't get the death penalty.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

His father is probably rolling in his grave.

Do you think so? His father was an attorney. And, knowing that parents take the blame for everything, I would think that his father probably would think he could have done more and wants the best for his son, even now. I would think that he knows the kid needs to be punished and get some counselling, but I seriously doubt the father would want to see his son hurt.

 

[southcitymom]

Nicholas Browning's court appointed guardians have hired
Joshua R. Treem, a Baltimore defense attorney and former federal posecutor to represent the teen. Gerald Martin who worked with Treem in the Maryland U.S. Attorneys's office stated "He fights like a dog for his clients. "He'll raise every issue that can be raised," and "This kid's not going to be without a lot of help from Josh, and from what I knew of about Nicholas's father, he'd want him to have the best lawyer that he could have."
IMHO, I feel most parents even under these circumstances would
want the best for their children. I'm probably going to have a lot of
people disagree with what "I feel." & that's okay, just don't be too
mean!

I agree with you 100%, paddy.

 

[SewingDeb]

Do you think so? His father was an attorney. And, knowing that parents take the blame for everything, I would think that his father probably would think he could have done more and wants the best for his son, even now. I would think that he knows the kid needs to be punished and get some counselling, but I seriously doubt the father would want to see his son hurt.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think having your own son kill you, your wife and two of your sons might affect how you feel about your son. I guess you can tell I have no sympathy for this kid IF he did it and he says he did.

BTW: if I read it right, the public defender hired this big shot attorney. Is that normal? I could see maybe his grandmother or another family member paying for a good attorney but not the public defender's office.

 

[j2mirish]

His father is probably rolling in his grave.

Do you think so? His father was an attorney. And, knowing that parents take the blame for everything, I would think that his father probably would think he could have done more and wants the best for his son, even now. I would think that he knows the kid needs to be punished and get some counselling, but I seriously doubt the father would want to see his son hurt.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think having your own son kill you, your wife and two of your sons might affect how you feel about your son. I guess you can tell I have no sympathy for this kid IF he did it and he says he did.

BTW: if I read it right, the public defender hired this big shot attorney. Is that normal? I could see maybe his grandmother or another family member paying for a good attorney but not the public defender's office.

this is a tough one- high attorney in practice for do I remember 18 years?
his own son kills him, wife and 2 younger brothers-
what would the dead dad want for the son now?
interesting:waitasec:

 

[deanws]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think having your own son kill you, your wife and two of your sons might affect how you feel about your son. I guess you can tell I have no sympathy for this kid IF he did it and he says he did.

BTW: if I read it right, the public defender hired this big shot attorney. Is that normal? I could see maybe his grandmother or another family member paying for a good attorney but not the public defender's office.

Yeah...bet the taxpayers were impressed with their money spent in this manner!

 

[MeoW333]

Maybe I'm wrong but I think having your own son kill you, your wife and two of your sons might affect how you feel about your son. I guess you can tell I have no sympathy for this kid IF he did it and he says he did.

BTW: if I read it right, the public defender hired this big shot attorney. Is that normal? I could see maybe his grandmother or another family member paying for a good attorney but not the public defender's office.

His court appointed guardians (i believe it's an aunt and uncle in VA) are the ones who hired the attorney, so tax payers can rest assured that their money isn't paying for his lawyer fees at least.
The only time the public defenders office will hire outside attorneys is if there are multiple defendants in a case and it would be a conflict of interest to represent multiple defendants involved in one case, to my knowledge.

 

[j2mirish]

Yeah...bet the taxpayers were impressed with their money spent in this manner!

His court appointed guardians (i believe it's an aunt and uncle in VA) are the ones who hired the attorney, so tax payers can rest assured that their money isn't paying for his lawyer fees at least.
The only time the public defenders office will hire outside attorneys is if there are multiple defendants in a case and it would be a conflict of interest to represent multiple defendants involved in one case, to my knowledge.

not only the tax payers, but.....
well.... there is no one in his immediate family who has to worry about the life insurance being used for his defense since he killed them all

 

[deanws]

His court appointed guardians (i believe it's an aunt and uncle in VA) are the ones who hired the attorney, so tax payers can rest assured that their money isn't paying for his lawyer fees at least.
The only time the public defenders office will hire outside attorneys is if there are multiple defendants in a case and it would be a conflict of interest to represent multiple defendants involved in one case, to my knowledge.

Good, that makes me feel much better.:crazy: I don't think they should waste much money for a trial for this .

 

[NoKoolaidKid]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_county/bal-te.to.browning09feb09,0,2958716.story

Newest articles give a lot more detail of what went on that night, including the fact that Nick wasn't even home that night! He was staying with some friends and told them he needed to go home and would be back. He actually left....went home and killed his family...and then went back to his friend's and continued to play X-box with them. This was totally planned! It was not a snapping or spontaneous thing in the heat of a fight. Not only that, but he planned a party at his house for the next day. What did the kid think? He'd go home and discover the bodies and the police would take them away and he'd have the whole house to himself with no rules or restrictions and could just party, party, party?

Read all about it at the article and see how much sympathy you can muster up for him. I have none, especially after reading that article.

It furthermore gets into some of the detail of the car him and his father argued about. Seems the little brat was getting a car for his 16th birthday, but for whatever reason, as punishment his dad had told him he couldn't drive it for a week. He killed his family over that? Sick, sick, sick!

It also discusses the other side to him ~ the mean, bullying side that other kids are now telling. If anyone knows, the kids know.

This is a good article with lots of new information in it. And if you go to the home page there is a heartbreaking photo of the whole family together, smiling and looking happy.

This story is just too haunting. How many kids out there are ticking timebombs when they get disciplined or don't get their way? This story has me so upset.