MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[SStarr33]

BPD PC coming up

I thought they postponed it?

 

[popsicle]

I thought they postponed it?

FOP on now

 

[katydid23]

The illegal arrest thing is really bothering me. Baltimore's own definition is unclear. ( NY had an issue with their wording also) I don't think I can post links but there is a lot of discussion over the past several years about the definition.
For now my thoughts are these officers are being over charged and sacrificed.

My son says this is very frightening and will strongly affect a lot of officers morale. Are they now going to be worried about being arrested if they arrest someone and it is decided it was an 'unfair' arrest? In the past, the judge would just let them go with no charges. But now the officers can be arrested themselves if the judge decides it was an unwarranted arrest?

And now, if someone sees a cop and takes off running, cops are no longer allowed to chase them?

 

[popsicle]

FOX 5 DC ‏@fox5newsdc 48s48 seconds ago
LIVE NOW: Fraternal Order of Police press conference on officers charged in #FreddieGray case: http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/28953200/officers-charged-freddie-gray …

 

[katydid23]

when are the looters going to be charged??

never

 

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 34s34 seconds ago
In my career I have never seen such a hurried rush to bring criminal charges, attorney for police union. #FreddieGray #Baltimore

 

[popsicle]

WUSA9 ‏@wusa9 1m1 minute ago
FOP Press Conference: "Nobody condones police misconduct"


Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 33s33 seconds ago
No officer injured Mr. Gray. These officers did nothing wrong, union laywer. #FreddieGray #Baltimore

 

[popsicle]

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 21s21 seconds ago
Police union: Charges against 6 officers are "an egregious rush to judgment."

 

[KEVINinTO]

I think Baltimore's definition of " switchblade" is clear as mud.
59-22. Switch-blade knives.
(a) Possession or sale, etc., prohibited.
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, carry, or possess any knife with an automatic spring or
other device for opening and/or closing the blade, commonly known as a switch-blade knife
ftp://law.resource.org/pub/us/code/md/baltimore.code.article.19.pdf

This is interesting. According to this the knife does not necessarily have to be spring operated which means that any pocket knife would be considered a switch blade. I don't know how this prosecutor can claim that this weapon was legal when it had a folding blade.

 

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m1 minute ago
His injuries did not occur b/c of the officers, union lawyer. #FreddieGray


WUSA9 ‏@wusa9 2m2 minutes ago
FOP Response: "No officers injured Mr. Gray. No officers harmed Mr. Gray." #BaltimoreProtest

 

[popsicle]

No comment on if the autopsy was changed from accident to homicide.

 

[SStarr33]

Legal Insurrection has a good take on all this. He says there is less here than what they had on GZ

 

[popsicle]

WUSA9 ‏@wusa9 55s56 seconds ago
FOP Response: "The officers have been forthcoming and cooperating in this investigation" #BaltimoreProtests


WUSA9 ‏@wusa9 2m2 minutes ago
FOP Response: The decision to charge these officers will make our job (the Baltimore Police) even harder #BaltimoreProtests


Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 2m2 minutes ago
I'm sure they're disappointed, union leader says about other #Baltimore officers. They're not happy. #FreddieGray

 

[Sonya610]

Anyone know what the benchmark of education and/or training is for Police Officers? I know here in Canada to even be considered 2 years Law and Security from Community College. From there at least a B.A. from a University. The more education you have it pushes you up on the very long list. Generally speaking it's usually 6 years of Education. Once you are accepted you must complete I believe it's around 9 months at Police College at your own cost. Police (and fire) are very well paid here. Both Police and Fire are heavily applied to as well.

I believe many departments require a 2 year degree. The police are not paid all that well here. I have also read that they prefer applicants with an average IQ and some departments will pass over applicants that score too high on intelligence tests (supposed because they aren't looking for folks that are going to upset the apple cart, they want people that can follow orders).

I really don't think there is a long waiting list in most areas (in large part because the pay isn't that good).

 

[mysteriew]

The illegal arrest thing is really bothering me. Baltimore's own definition is unclear. ( NY had an issue with their wording also) I don't think I can post links but there is a lot of discussion over the past several years about the definition.
For now my thoughts are these officers are being over charged and sacrificed.

I can see where some charges might be warranted. The fact that he requested medical care and didn't recieve it, yes I can see that. Esp. Since he ended up dying. If they can prove "rough ride" yes I can see charges for that. If they actually did see him unresponsive or even minimumly responsive, and failed to obtain medical care, I can see charging. (And I actually suspect it. They made a lot of stops for just one ride to the station.)

I do question the assault charge and the second degree murder charges though.

 

[mysteriew]

Whoa the PD is coming out in support of the officers! In cases like this they usually try to take a neutral stand in public.

 

[popsicle]

Fox News ‏@FoxNews 47s48 seconds ago
EXCLUSIVE, 9p ET: @MegynKelly talks to police officer who knows 6 officers charged in #FreddieGray case. #KellyFile

 

[popsicle]

Shimon Prokupecz ‏@ShimonPro 1m1 minute ago
The 6 police officers have been booked in local jail. Being processed; waiting to find out what their bail will be. #FreddieGray

 

[KEVINinTO]

What I do not understand is how the ME could declare the manner of death a "homicide" when the ME determined that FG struck his head on the back door. Conceivably FG tried to stand up in the back of the van and fell towards the door. With his hands cuffed he was unable to break the fall and the resulting blunt force caused the spinal injuries. This would be an accidental death not "death by other". I just watched the press conference by the Police union and a reporter asked the union lawyer if he heard about the ME being asked to change the manner of death from "accident" to "homicide".

 

[KEVINinTO]

No comment on if the autopsy was changed from accident to homicide.

If in fact the prosecutor pressured the ME to change the manner of death from accident to homicide SHE should be criminally charged with abuse-of-process. This is reaching third-world level of justice.