MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[SCHMAE]

Can I be the first to place a wager that the dude who says the van ride was peaceful and smooth never speaks about it again ?

 

[SilkySifaka]

Can I be the first to place a wager that the dude who says the van ride was peaceful and smooth never speaks about it again ?

He just spoke about it again with Don Lemon about half an hour ago during Wolfs show

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Can I be the first to place a wager that the dude who says the van ride was peaceful and smooth never speaks about it again ?

I just saw an interview on CNN (I think) with the guy - he's claiming he NEVER said that.



JMHO

 

[sorrell skye]

The Timeline of Freddie Gray’s Arrest and the Charges Filed

On Friday, state prosecutors said that they had probable cause to file homicide, manslaughter and misconduct charges against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray. Marilyn J. Mosby, the state’s attorney in Baltimore, described a sequence of events that differed significantly from the police.

[...]

The state’s attorney in Baltimore, Marilyn J. Mosby, described repeated mistreatment of Mr. Gray. She said officers abused Mr. Gray, arrested him without grounds and violated police procedure by putting him in handcuffs and leg restraints in a van without a seatbelt. This sequence is based on Ms. Mosby’s statements and previous statements by the police.​

NY Times

BBM. Afaics, this is the crux of this case and why all 6 officers were charged. That these LEOs lied about the knife, to my mind, indicates that they well knew they had violated Mr. Gray's rights by arresting him in the first place. That is, they had no business arresting much less doing a drive about while he was in the back of the van, dying.

I agree the unlawful arrest plays a role in some of the charges. I also think the failure to properly belt him in plays a role, as well as the failure to seek immediate medical assistance for FG when he was in obvious need.

 

[SStarr33]

This is interesting. It is saying that she had no choice but to do this because if she didn't both she and her husband would lose their jobs:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/freddie-gray-case-baltimore-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-faces-big-test/

 

[popsicle]

Just watched the Mayor, and she said that there was ' no room for racists' in the BPD. Is she implying that the African American officer, who was driving the van, is a racist?

It goes back to what someone said earlier... why insert racism into this case when it appears racism has nothing to do with what happened to FG.

 

[Bravo]

Can I be the first to place a wager that the dude who says the van ride was peaceful and smooth never speaks about it again ?

Did he happen to say if he was belted in? I was out for a bit.

 

[mysteriew]

The Timeline of Freddie Gray’s Arrest and the Charges Filed

On Friday, state prosecutors said that they had probable cause to file homicide, manslaughter and misconduct charges against six police officers in the death of Freddie Gray. Marilyn J. Mosby, the state’s attorney in Baltimore, described a sequence of events that differed significantly from the police.

[...]

The state’s attorney in Baltimore, Marilyn J. Mosby, described repeated mistreatment of Mr. Gray. She said officers abused Mr. Gray, arrested him without grounds and violated police procedure by putting him in handcuffs and leg restraints in a van without a seatbelt. This sequence is based on Ms. Mosby’s statements and previous statements by the police.​

NY Times

BBM. Afaics, this is the crux of this case and why all 6 officers were charged. That these LEOs lied about the knife, to my mind, indicates that they well knew they had violated Mr. Gray's rights by arresting him in the first place. That is, they had no business arresting much less doing a drive about while he was in the back of the van, dying.

I'm in the air about the knife. One side says it is illegal, the other side says legal. More info on actual type of knife is needed.

Other than that I can see misconduct charges. Failing to obtain medical care for one.
Maybe seat belt.

Assault. Here I think she is saying the did not have probable cause to chase him down and cuff him.

If they actually saw him in distress and failed to call medics I can see charges of involuntary manslaughter. I can even see why she might go so far as manslaughter. (Depraved indifference to his distress)But which ones of them saw him?

Second degree murder charges I don't see yet. That says they took an action that they knew would result in death. I'm just not seeing that one. ?

 

[shadowraiths]

Is an outstanding warrant probable cause?

Of course. However, there were no outstanding warrants for Mr. Gray. In fact CNN covers his criminal history quite concisely, even noting he was due to appear in court on April 24th. Which means, there was absolutely no reason to arrest him once they learned the so-called knife, that one of them allegedly saw, was determined to be nothing more than a legal pocket knife. Moreover, considering they lied about the pocket knife, I cannot help but to wonder if they also lied about why he ran.

 

[popsicle]

This is interesting. It is saying that she had no choice but to do this because if she didn't both she and her husband would lose their jobs:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/freddie-gray-case-baltimore-prosecutor-marilyn-mosby-faces-big-test/

This is interesting too.

Practically speaking, she is almost certain to seek an indictment, said Andrew Levy, a Baltimore defense attorney and an adjunct professor at the University of Maryland School of Law.
snip

Charging the officers without going to a grand jury would require Mosby's office to persuade a judge that there is probable cause that a crime was committed, a procedural step prosecutors often avoid in high-profile cases.
snip

Mosby could present a grand jury with a menu of potential charges including assault, involuntary or voluntary manslaughter, or even murder.

 

[epiphany]

Just watched the Mayor, and she said that there was ' no room for racists' in the BPD. Is she implying that the African American officer, who was driving the van, is a racist?

No, she was implying that no one is above the law and that includes a very small minority of LE who engage in corruption, misconduct or racism.

 

[SCHMAE]

He just spoke about it again with Don Lemon about half an hour ago during Wolfs show

Thanks for not taking the bet or I'd be broke

 

[mysteriew]

Thank you . Is that because it cuts off blood flow to the brain ? tia

No. The spinal cord is the main conductor for the body to recieve orders from the brain. For instance a portion of the brain tells your body to breathe. That is conducted down the cord to the nerves which leads to the muscles which then takes the actions nedded to breathe. If the cord is damaged in the top part where those nerves are the the body doesn't get told to breathe.

 

[Bravo]

Aside from the few facts we do know I am stumped as to how these Officers thought they would get away with this?

 

[popsicle]

Gray's arrest warrant

http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/freddiegraychargingdocuments.pdf

unlawful carry, possess and sell a knife known as a switchblade.

bumping

 

[SStarr33]

Of course. However, there were no outstanding warrants for Mr. Gray. In fact CNN covers his criminal history quite concisely, even noting he was due to appear in court on April 24th. Which means, there was absolutely no reason to arrest him once they learned the so-called knife, that one of them allegedly saw, was determined to be nothing more than a legal pocket knife. Moreover, considering they lied about the pocket knife, I cannot help but to wonder if they also lied about why he ran.

There was a warrant dated 3/13/15

 

[mysteriew]

Of course. However, there were no outstanding warrants for Mr. Gray. In fact CNN covers his criminal history quite concisely, even noting he was due to appear in court on April 24th. Which means, there was absolutely no reason to arrest him once they learned the so-called knife, that one of them allegedly saw, was determined to be nothing more than a legal pocket knife. Moreover, considering they lied about the pocket knife, I cannot help but to wonder if they also lied about why he ran.

The point about why he ran is a good one. Overall picture is that FG had some type of issues as a result of previous lead poisoning. Had been in special ed. Was not an especially big person. Wouldn't these issues have made him a target of bullies when he was younger? Would he still have been a target of bullies?

 

[SStarr33]

FG mother comment:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/freddie-grays-mother-comments-on-baltimore-police-charges/

 

[lonetraveler]

After watching Ms. Mosby's presser, I perceive her as a strong, confident State's Attorney. I don't detect the anger that others have noticed.

When a man in a position of authority portrays strength & confidence, he's hailed as a leader and a role model.

Question: When a woman in a position of authority projects these same positive traits, why is she perceived as being angry?

I did not see Mosby as angry. I see her as strong and confident. I was surprised to find that she has only been in the job for four months and that she is so young. She worked in insurance prior to becoming State Attorney. However I have posted that the Mayor appears to be angry, sulking and pouty.

 

[shadowraiths]

There was a warrant dated 3/13/15

Are you sure about that? A link would help. Esp considering, from the list of arrests, it appears he was arrested on March 13, 2015 for "Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault." He was also arrested on March 20, 2015 for "Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance" (link)