MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #1

[DebinGA]

This says its the arresting officers job to secure them:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-protocol-fears-wife-children-attacked.html

That assertion came from a "family source" of the van driver. It might be true, but it makes more sense to me for it to be the responsibility of the two police van officers to secure arrestees in the van than for bike officers who need to get back to work asap.

 

[SCHMAE]

Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 4m4 minutes ago
PD source: “When Freddie saw the police he ran, which is unprovoked flight, so the officers have every right to pursue him.” #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says none of the cops had any knowledge #FreddieGray was injured until they got to the station. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
PD source says it would not be unusual for #FreddieGray to be shouting or jumping around in van. #KellyFile


Megyn Kelly @megynkelly · 7m7 minutes ago
“The video shows clear evidence that he was standing, and got into the van on his own accord,” PD source says. #KellyFile

IU By me,, so in a provoked flight , officers still have the right to pursue , correct? So why even say whether it's provoked or unprovoked . It sounds like LE has the right to pursue you if you run for any reason .

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Imo, someone may have finally realized the millions paid out for LE to not use seatbelts is ridiculous. Surely this amount could be better spent in the community?

And what about the officer injuries from close contact with irate arrestees while attempting to seatbelt in close quarters?

 

[popsicle]

That assertion came from a "family source" of the van driver. It might be true, but it makes more sense to me for it to be the responsibility of the two police van officers to secure arrestees in the van than for bike officers who need to get back to work asap.

There is only one van driver.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I am sad that a sworn officer of the court is having her integrity questioned.

FG was a victim here. Yes, he may have been a criminal in the past or on that day but once he was handcuffed and shackled the officers had a duty to protect his health and safety. Are we not a victim friendly site? FG was not saint but he died handcuffed/shackled on the floor of a police van.

In Ferguson, the police stood down on the first nights. Similar, no?

We may not like that the officers have been charged but why do people need to see the prosecutor as against LE? In Ferguson, many questioned the prosecutor but the general tone was that it was his call to go to the Grand Jury. She makes a call and every move she makes is seen as done based on her leanings toward the youth of Baltimore.

I understand your point but using Ferg-son as a model of what to do leaves you with a weak argument, sorry.

Moo

 

[kaen]

Lots of PD sources being cited. How will their unattributed comments help to heal the situation? I don't see that it will. More divisions between protestors and LEO based on insiders and rabble-rousers. IT is a shame to me. All of the officers will have their day in court. We have to trust in the legal system to settle this all out.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Alexandra Limon ‏@AlexandraFox5DC 8m8 minutes ago
Streets of #Baltimore still filled with people, less than 20 mins from curfew #BalitmoreRiots

Let's see how the "peaceful" peeps handle tonight on what they may consider happy news of LE arrests.

I'm taking bets....(wink)

 

[katydid23]

Why did the officers take this indirect route? More questions!

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The van does not take one or two prisoners in at a time. They drive around until they have several to bring in together.

 

[popsicle]

IU By me,, so in a provoked flight , officers still have the right to pursue , correct? So why even say whether it's provoked or unprovoked . It sounds like LE has the right to pursue you if you run for any reason .

He was just saying that in this instance it was unprovoked but they still have a right to pursue. jmo

 

[kaen]

I understand your point but using Ferg-son as a model of what to do leaves you with a weak argument, sorry.

Moo

I thought the stand down there was ridiculous as well. But, it is important to know that I am not on the inside. It is not just the leadership of Baltimore that makes statements and decisions I don't understand. Leadership does the best they can. Hopefully each town learns from another. The civil court liability is a tough one because it is impossible to anticipate what is going to happen.

 

[DebinGA]

IU By me,, so in a provoked flight , officers still have the right to pursue , correct? So why even say whether it's provoked or unprovoked . It sounds like LE has the right to pursue you if you run for any reason .

IL v. Wardlow [2000 case before U.S. Supreme Court]
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The Supreme Court stated:

"Headlong flight -- wherever it occurs -- is the consummate act of evasion: it is not necessarily indicative of wrongdoing, but it is certainly suggestive of such."

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"Therefore, the court held that, while presence in a high crime area, standing alone, is not sufficient to establish reasonable suspicion[SUP],[/SUP] when coupled with unprovoked flight at the sight of the police, this amounted to sufficient reasonable suspicion to justify the stop."

 

[popsicle]

People are flooding into the streets and intersection after curfew. Rebz is encouraging them of course.

 

[bestill]

I'm so sick of this, it's a carnival for them! Idiots.

 

[DebinGA]

There is only one van driver.

And no other officer with him? That seems like a recipe for disaster.

 

[popsicle]

Evan Pérez ‏@evanperez 3m3 minutes ago
Few dozen protesters (outnumbered by media) chanting "Curfew has got to go" as police chopper b'casts curfew warning

 

[popsicle]

Fox News ‏@FoxNews 6m6 minutes ago
People are dancing in the middle of the streets, as @BaltimorePolice are telling people to go home. #Hannity

 

[MissSunshine]

They are arresting them all...

 

[popsicle]

OMG LE is wresting them down and arresting people. lol

 

[MissSunshine]

Different LE came out tonight. Not going to tolerate the curfew offenders this evening.

 

[popsicle]

Here is a link http://www.myfoxdc.com/category/233074/live-news-video