MD - Freddie Gray dies in police custody #2

[DebinGA]

The Baltimore gun-discharged, no-one-injured scene today:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/video-shows-tense-scene-baltimore-211229098.html

God bless those cops willing to work there.

 

[bettybaby00]

I don think we're allowed to post links to personal blogs, but if interested Google "an open letter by Cristie Cole" directed to the state attorney's office.

She was one of the many who were fired when Ms Mosby took office. Interesting read. What I find most odd is how involved Mr. Mosby seems to be.

 

[al66pine]

wrong thread, self-deleting.

 

[DebinGA]

Iirc Mosby's husband is the Baltimore Councilperson for FG's district.

 

[SugarQueen]

Huh, the police task force finds the knife IS illegal under BALTIMORE code! Imagine that? Now to see what the court says.
( I have been trying to find any information on how Baltimore treated spring assist knives in the past, no luck so far.)

 

[bettybaby00]

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Huh, the police task force finds the knife IS illegal under BALTIMORE code! Imagine that? Now to see what the court says.
( I have been trying to find any information on how Baltimore treated spring assist knives in the past, no luck so far.)

The way it's written, Im not sure which task force they're talking about. My impression was the one she put together was put together by the sheriffs dept. would they then describe that task force as a "police" task force?

 

[bettybaby00]

Iirc Mosby's husband is the Baltimore Councilperson for FG's district.

You would be correct.

 

[DebinGA]

While Mosby said Friday that the officers had made an illegal arrest because a knife Gray was carrying was not a "switchblade," a violation of state law, the police task force studied the knife and determined it was "spring assisted," which does violate a Baltimore code.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...ncident-penn-north-20150504-story.html#page=1

The police task force overseen by Ms. Mosby "studied" the knife and found it was illegal? But Ms. Mosby criminally charged all 3 bike cops with making an illegal arrest of FG because, even while surrounded by hostiles in the same area as yesterday's fracas, they, or more likely senior officer Lt. Rice, believed at the time in that very heated, dangerous situation the knife was illegal? Unbelievable.

 

[SugarQueen]

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The way it's written, Im not sure which task force they're talking about. My impression was the one she put together was put together by the sheriffs dept. would they then describe that task force as a "police" task force?

I'm really not sure what task force they mean. I found one article that said it was the sheriffs task force but it was a political site so take that with a huge grain so salt.

 

[DebinGA]

The police task force described in the Baltimore Sun's exclusive look inside was "stunned" to see Mosby on tv announcing the charges she'd filed against the Baltimore 6. She mentioned that she'd authorized a "parallel" task force in addition to the BPD one. The "charging documents" we saw with each officer's mugshot/name/description of what illegal act s/he supposedly committed were all signed by Maj. Samuel Cogen. Maj. Cogen is the only white person seen among "Administrative Staff" on the website of the Baltimore City Sheriff's Office:

http://sheriff.baltimorecity.gov/AdministrativeStaff.aspx

The BCSO is reportedly mainly comprised of retired police officers ... who are now "double-dipping" into public coffers in their second careers. In GA I think it's illegal for teachers/school admin to retire, begin collecting their pensions, then get rehired by the state.

 

[DebinGA]

If FG's knife was illegal (or if a police officer in that situation could "reasonably believe" it was illegal), could Mosby be charged with "illegal arrest" of the bike cops, as her decision to charge was made very publicly, after enough time had passed for her to discover the truth, but before the BPD task force had completed their investigation?

 

[Nana]

If FG's knife was illegal (or if a police officer in that situation could "reasonably believe" it was illegal), could Mosby be charged with "illegal arrest" of the bike cops, as her decision to charge was made very publicly, after enough time had passed for her to discover the truth, but before the BPD task force had completed their investigation?

Wow good question!

 

[DebinGA]

Mosby: "Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray’s arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray [since the knife per Mosby wasn't illegal]. Accordingly Lt. Rice Officer Miller and Office Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray."

 

[SugarQueen]

Hahaha, imagine Ms Mosby charged with unlawful imprisonment!!
( slightly OT.....did anyone read the story about Ms Mosby's cousin? The story she used during elections? Her Aunt called her out on it saying the story is a lie! )

 

[SugarQueen]

I'm glad to see the question about the knife being raised everywhere. The very idea of charging these officers with unlawful imprisonment is insane!! I want to know how and why FG died BUT I want it to be the truth!

 

[galiuro]

While there's anecdotal evidence (as seen in reports from locals at the scene ) that *some* of the rioters were locals, there's no way of knowing how many actually were.

I've been following this all pretty closely from day 1.. and what I notice is, the media, the police and the public are hugely *and for the most part, wrongly* conflating the "protestors" with the "rioters".

Fact is, the protest and the riot and two separate, if in places overlapping events.

While a mostly peaceful protest lapsed into violence on the Saturday night (some of this provoked by criminal gangs who can be seen clearly on film attacking sports fans at a bar, and using the chaos to rob people - I'll put a link to this when I can find it, it's very revealing) things didn't go truly pear-shaped until Monday afternoon.

Monday afternoon being the time scheduled for a "purge event" that was advertised far and wide on social media, had a planned route for rioters to follow and encouraged people to attack police. It totally and very obviously hijacked the protest.

Clearly, this was a completely separate agenda to that of the protest. Organised by persons unknown.

This was NOT an organic development of the protest. It was planned, it was intrusive, and it had nothing to do with Freddy Gray, or justice for anyone. And the rioters could have come from anywhere, as the riot was advertised days before it happened.

Attacked by criminal gangs- no way! Those gangs were singing kumbaya with the city a few days later, it can't be!
If these gangs were not part of the protest then why were officials telling their kids to go home? Why did the mayor retract her statement about the rioters being **ugs and criminals?
I do not think Baltimore is going to get better until they decide to help rid their neighborhoods of the criminal element...when that criminal element is apparently their sons and brothers, will they do that?

 

[ShadyLady]

Huh, the police task force finds the knife IS illegal under BALTIMORE code! Imagine that? Now to see what the court says.
( I have been trying to find any information on how Baltimore treated spring assist knives in the past, no luck so far.)

Why would the court allow anyone with numerous previous arrests to carry any type of weapon??

 

[Tawny]

So, if he was arrested legally, it makes it all ok that he was gravely injured and died or...?

He didn't injure himself.

 

[Tawny]

Why would the court allow anyone with numerous previous arrests to carry any type of weapon??

Arrest does not equal conviction. I don't know what his conviction record is, but it's legal for everyone to carry legal weapons, except felons. I haven't seen it said that FG was a felon. Anybody have that info?

 

[DebinGA]

So, if he was arrested legally, it makes it all ok that he was gravely injured and died or...?

He didn't injure himself.

Mosby stated the injuries occurred in the police van, not as part of the arrest, which imo would seem to absolve the 2 young bike cops from culpability if the arrest itself was legal.