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It's surprising to me how much CNN is highlighting the "did Mosby overcharge" theory.

[video=youtu;x7KzXLrK3QA]http://youtu.be/x7KzXLrK3QA[/video]

And again mention of the autopsy report....I think it may be a big impediment in this case b/c it seems it isn't as clear cut as Mosby made it out to be.
 
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Baltimore cannot be compared to NYC.

You can't spit in this town without worrying about a ticket, etc.

Some consider it the other extreme now. No comparison.

Which town are you speaking of that is extreme in giving tickets? NYC or B-City?
 
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I have to think that Mosby is holding back info and evidence for the time being. Otherwise you are right, she was too quick to pull the trigger and things could get worse because of it.

I think she is not showing all of her cards.

Probably true although she may have a problem defining the knife as legal causing some charges to be incorrect and dismissed. (We'll See)

re later we're still left with facts not discovered yet.

I am not a patient person! The reality here tho is WE do not KNOW a lot - but I think it reasonable to cocnclude that they do. The headline of "rushing" this is a media frenzy - she is young, wants a career - I just think it is highly doubtful that she would have done what she did without having some interesting data (someone ratted on the whole thing).

I'd speculate she has a statement or two concerning some charges and there's the knife issue. Here's the rub, she's only got one bite at the apple so she better be right and have her case firmed up. She still has changing stories like with what the last prisoner said he told the police.

Do I think all of em will get jail time - no - am I thrilled , that finally LE is on notice that this abuse is not going to be tolerated any longer and LE better clean up your act.

Each case must be decided individually, no two cases will be alike.

Have you all heard (will try to find), last night DOn Lemmon - the 22 year old, that LE murdered 4 months ago and to this day they have not told the family anything. The kid was bipolar, the girlfrined bought out his meds to the cops at the scene, they took him to jail , not a mental facility, restrained him in a chair, tasered him and he died.

Hadn't heard, this place has more cases than I have time to learn.

This is going on way to long

I am glad indictments were issued - no matter outcome- if for nothing else to send a message to LE - clean up your act or face some consequences.

IMO , long overdue.....................................I have lived it ..........................needs to cease

We don't even know yet what happened to cause Freddie's death. One bite at the apple.
 
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Baltimore cannot be compared to NYC.

You can't spit in this town without worrying about a ticket, etc.

Some consider it the other extreme now. No comparison.

imo a comparison can be made to nyc in the 60's and baltimore today.
 
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I'm confused as to why the Justice Dept has been called in by the Mayor of Baltimore.

I thought I posted a link days ago that stated that the Police Commissioner had acknowledged and stepped up in the early/late Fall of 2014 that there were problems with his department and Voluntarily asked the Justice Dept to step-in, to intervene, etc.:

<snip>

Six months before Baltimore exploded in anger at the city&#8217;s police, Justice Department officials were already busy examining the record of brutality and misconduct that had plagued the force for years.

But unlike other cities that have come under investigation by the department&#8217;s Civil Rights Division after complaints of excessive force, Baltimore, found its way into a less-onerous and adversarial Justice program that emphasizes cooperative support for local law-enforcement agencies. In fact, Baltimore requested the intervention.

http://time.com/3844411/baltimore-police-reform-justice-investigation/
 
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Believe I found the answer to my own question (above):

BALTIMORE &#8212; Months before Freddie Gray died of the broken neck he suffered during what Baltimore's top prosecutor called an illegal arrest, the city's mayor and police commissioner said the department needed reform and asked the Justice Department for help reviewing officer misconduct.

<snip>

The voluntary review should result in recommendations and give the city access to federal funds to implement them, but they would not be enforced by any court order or independent monitor.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/05/05/us/ap-us-baltimore-police-death-reform.html
 
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I'm confused as to why the Justice Dept has been called in by the Mayor of Baltimore.

I thought I posted a link days ago that stated that the Police Commissioner had acknowledged and stepped up in the early/late Fall of 2014 that there were problems with his department and Voluntarily asked the Justice Dept to step-in, to intervene, etc.:

<snip>

Six months before Baltimore exploded in anger at the city&#8217;s police, Justice Department officials were already busy examining the record of brutality and misconduct that had plagued the force for years.

But unlike other cities that have come under investigation by the department&#8217;s Civil Rights Division after complaints of excessive force, Baltimore, found its way into a less-onerous and adversarial Justice program that emphasizes cooperative support for local law-enforcement agencies. In fact, Baltimore requested the intervention.

http://time.com/3844411/baltimore-police-reform-justice-investigation/

I found this in an article

The Justice Department already is conducting a "collaborative review" with Baltimore police, but its recommendations will not carry the weight of law. Such reviews differ from full-scale civil rights investigations because they are launched by agreement with local officials and are not enforced by court order.

Snip

The mayor's call came a day after City Council President*Bernard C. "Jack" Young*and 10 members of the City Council asked Lynch for a full-scale investigation.

Snip

Rawlings-Blake did not join earlier calls for a civil rights investigation. Instead, she asked the federal government to enter into a collaborative oversight agreement with the Police Department.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-ci-doj-partnership-20150506-story.html

In April, Council President Jack Young's nephew was shot and killed in Baltimore...mayor said something about putting more police on the streets to help the violence and get repeat violent offenders off the street.
 
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Believe I found the answer to my own question (above):

BALTIMORE — Months before Freddie Gray died of the broken neck he suffered during what Baltimore's top prosecutor called an illegal arrest, the city's mayor and police commissioner said the department needed reform and asked the Justice Department for help reviewing officer misconduct.

<snip>

The voluntary review should result in recommendations and give the city access to federal funds to implement them, but they would not be enforced by any court order or independent monitor.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/05/05/us/ap-us-baltimore-police-death-reform.html

but they would not be enforced by any court order or independent monitor. sounds totally like our govt!! Meaningless!
 
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I found this in an article

The Justice Department already is conducting a "collaborative review" with Baltimore police, but its recommendations will not carry the weight of law. Such reviews differ from full-scale civil rights investigations because they are launched by agreement with local officials and are not enforced by court order.

Snip

The mayor's call came a day after City Council President*Bernard C. "Jack" Young*and 10 members of the City Council asked Lynch for a full-scale investigation.

Snip

Rawlings-Blake did not join earlier calls for a civil rights investigation. Instead, she asked the federal government to enter into a collaborative oversight agreement with the Police Department.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-ci-doj-partnership-20150506-story.html

In April, Council President Jack Young's nephew was shot and killed in Baltimore...mayor said something about putting more police on the streets to help the violence and get repeat violent offenders off the street.

Mayor's message - LE stop the violence and apprehend suspects...or stand down, what's the priority/goal? Give the citizens mixed messages and you will get mixed results. I am curious as to why the DOJ is involved in case and to what extent? Very interesting and we still have no new facts about this case. When is PC hearing? Jmo/
 
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States With Highest Death Rates
The following states recorded the highest combined death rates per 50,000 law enforcement and corrections officers over the five-year period:
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/law-enforcement-fatality-rates-by-state.html



http://www.top-criminal-justice-schools.net/10-most-brutal-police-forces-on-earth

Police brutality Baltimore:


  • June 25, 2003: Albert Mosely was arrested for a probation violation and transported to the Baltimore Police Department's Western District stationhouse, where he became involved in an altercation with Officer Bryan Kershaw. Mosely was still handcuffed when Officer Kershaw picked him up and threw him into the concrete wall of a holding cell. Mosley was rendered quadriplegic, sued the city, and was awarded $44 million in damages. The city appealed and the suit was eventually settled for $6 million.[SUP][53][/SUP][SUP][54][/SUP]



  • June 5, 2008: Tyrone Brown, a United States Marine, was fatally shot by an off-duty Baltimore police officer, Gahiji Tshamba. After partying at a night club, Brown made a sexual advance toward Tshamba's girlfriend. Tshamba pushed Brown away and shot him. Tshamba claimed Brown was being aggressive and he was in fear for his life. However, witnesses said that Brown was turning to leave when Tshamba shot him. Tshamba was subsequently convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to 15 years in prison.[SUP][55][/SUP][SUP][56][/SUP]



  • 2011: Baltimore police officer Anthony Williams assaulted and severely injured Antoine Green. Williams was convicted by a jury of assault and hindering the investigation that followed.[SUP][57][/SUP][SUP][58][/SUP]



  • 2012: District Heights Sgt. Johnnie Riley shot handcuffed motorcyclist Calvin Kyle during a traffic stop. Kyle was paralyzed from the waist down. Riley was found guilty of assault and using a handgun during a violent crime. He was sentenced to 5 years in prison.[SUP][59][/SUP]



  • 2012: Baltimore police officers wrongfully beat Ashley Overbey in her own home after she reported a burglary in progress, according to her lawsuit that was settled for $63,000.[SUP][58][/SUP]



  • 2013: Baltimore police officers wrongfully shot Odatei Mills, according to his lawsuit that was settled for $1 million.[SUP][58][/SUP]
  • 2000's: A Baltimore police officer wrongfully assaulted and injured an 87-year-old woman, according to her lawsuit that was settled for $95,000.[SUP][58][/SUP]



  • 2000's: A Baltimore police officer wrongfully assaulted and injured a pregnant woman, according to her lawsuit that was settled for $125,000.[SUP][58][/SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality_in_the_United_States
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States

A rough ride is an unsanctioned police practice in which a handcuffed prisoner is placed in a police van without a seatbelt, and is thrown violently about by driving the vehicle erratically.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] It can be regarded as a form of police brutality,[SUP][3][/SUP] although its delivery of excessive force is not as obvious as in other forms of police brutality. Other terms for the practice include "bringing them up front",[SUP][1][/SUP] "screen test" (as the prisoner may hit the protective screen behind the driver),[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] "nickel ride" (a reference to carnival rides),[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] "cowboy ride",[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] and "joyride".[8

lawyer Phil Federico described the practice as "definitely intentional", saying "they're unbelted, the inside of these wagons are not padded, they can't protect themselves, and they get thrown from one side to the other, usually landing on their head, and fracturing their neck."[SUP][2][/SUP] University of South Carolina professor Geoffrey Alpert, an expert in police use of force, has asserted that the practice was common in the 1980s and 1990s, but has become less so with the increased presence of video recording equipment in police vehicles.[SUP][1][/SUP] There are no reliable records of the frequency of these incidents.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][7]

In 2004, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million after becoming paralyzed from the neck down as a result of a ride in a Baltimore police van

[/SUP]In 2005, Dondi Johnson Sr., a plumber, was arrested in Baltimore for public urination. Apparently uninjured at the time of his arrest, Johnson emerged from the police van paralyzed with a broken neck, and died two weeks later from pneumonia resulting from his injuries. Johnson stated he had been thrown face-first into the interior of the van during a sharp turn. His family sued the Baltimore police and were awarded $7.4 million, which was reduced to $219,000 under a cap imposed by Maryland state law.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][7]

[/SUP]

In 2012, Christine Abbott, a 27-year-old assistant librarian at Johns Hopkins University, was arrested at a party she was hosting at her home in Baltimore's Hampden neighborhood. She was handcuffed and put into a police van. Abbott later sued the officers in federal court, describing her ride as "like a roller coaster", and accusing the officers of braking short and taking "wide, fast turns" which slammed her into the walls. Police acknowledged that Abbott was not buckled in during her ride.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP]

[SUP]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_ride_(police_brutality)
[/SUP]
 
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States With Highest Death Rates
The following states recorded the highest combined death rates per 50,000 law enforcement and corrections officers over the five-year period:
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/law-enforcement-fatality-rates-by-state.html


10 Most Brutal Police Forces on Earth

We came in at number 10 USA!

http://www.top-criminal-justice-schools.net/10-most-brutal-police-forces-on-earth


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OK...there is something really disturbing about that - based on the first 9 countries on that list!!!
 
  • #1,154
OK...there is something really disturbing about that - based on the first 9 countries on that list!!!


That is exactly what I thought - pretty sad!
 
  • #1,155
That is exactly what I thought - pretty sad!

Yes, the cops are so overly brutal. And it is so surprising since the people who live in the high crime areas are so peaceful and compliant and nonviolent. If the cops would just clear out I bet there would be no violence or crimes at all. I think there have only been about one or two murders a day lately.
 
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OK...there is something really disturbing about that - based on the first 9 countries on that list!!!

I find it highly suspicious that there is no explanation of what criteria were used in coming up with that list.

It's not an MSM site. It doesn't appear to be a credible source of information.

Frankly, I'm surprised it's allowed to be posted here.
 
  • #1,157
It's surprising to me how much CNN is highlighting the "did Mosby overcharge" theory.

[video=youtu;x7KzXLrK3QA]http://youtu.be/x7KzXLrK3QA[/video]

And again mention of the autopsy report....I think it may be a big impediment in this case b/c it seems it isn't as clear cut as Mosby made it out to be.
It is a bit surprising considering their collective celebratory mood after the SA's press conference. Perhaps being inundated with seasoned professionals' opinions that she so obviously overcharged has caused them to look at the case objectively.
 
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I find it highly suspicious that there is no explanation of what criteria were used in coming up with that list.

It's not an MSM site. It doesn't appear to be a credible source of information.

Frankly, I'm surprised it's allowed to be posted here.

I deleted it -the info below each country gave info so it seemed ok!
 
  • #1,159
I'm confused as to why the Justice Dept has been called in by the Mayor of Baltimore.

I thought I posted a link days ago that stated that the Police Commissioner had acknowledged and stepped up in the early/late Fall of 2014 that there were problems with his department and Voluntarily asked the Justice Dept to step-in, to intervene, etc.:

<snip>

Six months before Baltimore exploded in anger at the city’s police, Justice Department officials were already busy examining the record of brutality and misconduct that had plagued the force for years.

But unlike other cities that have come under investigation by the department’s Civil Rights Division after complaints of excessive force, Baltimore, found its way into a less-onerous and adversarial Justice program that emphasizes cooperative support for local law-enforcement agencies. In fact, Baltimore requested the intervention.

http://time.com/3844411/baltimore-police-reform-justice-investigation/
I doubt they were called. More likely they sprinted to Baltimore. This case is right up this Justice Department's alley.
 
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