GUILTY MD - Korryn Gaines, 23, fatally shot by Baltimore police, 1 Aug 2016

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AND there are numerous white men with guns who ARE shot, and numerous blacks with guns not shot, and numerous who are shot....it is a case by case situation.

Maybe the police did not have a record of her antics as a mentally ill person, I would hope police read the reports before they go on a mission. Knowing that someone has mental health issues should be noted, no?

Anyway, here are some really egrgious examples of white men with guns and LE. Some were drunk and maybe some were mentally ill and LE knew?

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/her...guns-at-police-officers-and-didnt-get-killed/

 

[WVWoman]

And you don’t think the chances of child being killed were dramatically increased when the cops started shooting at him?

No because I don't think the cops said "ok we are going to shoot now" just my opinion...and no you really don't have to agree ...but if she hadn't been holding a gun refusing to do as asked this would not have happened.


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[KaaBoom]

No because I don't think the cops said "ok we are going to shoot now" just my opinion...and no you really don't have to agree ...but if she hadn't been holding a gun refusing to do as asked this would not have happened.

If the police did not fire, the child would not have been shot. There is zero evidence that the victim was trying to harm her child. If she wanted to kill her child, she could have done that before the police even arrived. It was ultimately the police who were responsible for the child being harmed, not the mother.

 

[WVWoman]

If the police did not fire, the child would not have been shot. There is zero evidence that the victim was trying to harm her child. If she wanted to kill her child, she could have done that before the police even arrived. It was ultimately the police who were responsible for the child being harmed, not the mother.

Ok I will scroll and roll after pointing out if you lived next door with your children would you felt safe if they had walked away and left her there with her gun? That child was in danger thank god he was not killed.praying his injury heals and he lives a great happy life!


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[KaaBoom]

Ok I will scroll and roll after pointing out if you lived next door with your children would you felt safe if they had walked away and left her there with her gun? That child was in danger thank god he was not killed.praying his injury heals and he lives a great happy life!

It was only luck that the child was not killed in the hail of bullets.

 

[KaaBoom]

Korryn Gaines vigil remembers her life, establishes a counter narrative


Ryan Gaines has a whole lot to say. His daughter Korryn is dead—shot, no, assassinated some say, by Baltimore County Police after a six-hour standoff in Randallstown on Monday—and she was a freedom fighter and she better be remembered as such.


"If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything" is something he taught her, he recounts to 200 or so on Friday night at City College at a vigil for Gaines.


Certain talking points return throughout the evening: If Gaines threatened to kill the police if they didn't leave, why didn't they leave and return with a new plan, why'd they just go ahead and shoot her?; if she was indeed, "mentally ill" as they say, isn't that further evidence they shouldn't have shot her?; some people can't shake that haunting video of an officer in the entrance of Gaines' home silent, gun pointed at her; that Gaines anticipated and was prepared for this kind of confrontation and that it speaks to a long history of black armed struggle.

http://touch.citypaper.com//#section/-1/article/p2p-88052588/

 

[drjones]

nobody is to blame for that child being shot except for the mother. it is disgraceful the lengths some will go to to criticize law enforcement over the most ridiculous of things.

"she refuses to drop the weapon? ok lets pack it up boys, not much else we can do here"

 

[Kakidoll]

It was only luck that the child was not killed in the hail of bullets.

HAIL of bullets? Source please.
And did you miss the info where she had HER OWN gun pointed at her child multiple times? And even her PARENTS tried to talk her out and she wouldn't come?

 

[KaaBoom]

HAIL of bullets? Source please.
And did you miss the info where she had HER OWN gun pointed at her child multiple times? And even her PARENTS tried to talk her out and she wouldn't come?

Police should never under any circumstances shoot at a child. Period. I can’t believe anybody would defend the bizarre actions of anyone shooting a child.

The standoff with police started Monday morning over a months-old traffic violation and ended hours later in a hail of bullets. When it was all over, police had shot and killed Korryn Gaines, a 23-year-old black woman. Her five-year-old son was also shot, but is expected to survive. Now people are questioning why it had to happen in the first place and whether videos Gaines posted to Facebook during the incident were deleted.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a47267/korryn-gaines-shot-by-police-what-we-know/

 

[KaaBoom]

nobody is to blame for that child being shot except for the mother. it is disgraceful the lengths some will go to to criticize law enforcement over the most ridiculous of things.

"she refuses to drop the weapon? ok lets pack it up boys, not much else we can do here"

What is disgraceful is people who defend LE in shooting a young child. This type of insane debate makes me thing there is no hope for this country.

Something to think about. After getting shot by the police himself and watching his mother get gunned down and killed by the police, what do you think this kids attitude will be toward the police for the rest of his life? Every time the police do something like this to a child, they are making an enemy for life. We are in a downward spiral, and it is only going to get worse.

 

[Ladylub]

As many times as they need, not to shoot a child.

They did not go there to shoot the child. The child was caught in cross fire b/c of his mother's choices. Sad that the child got caught up in his mother's criminal ways.

 

[Ladylub]

Police should never under any circumstances shoot at a child. Period. I can’t believe anybody would defend the bizarre actions of anyone shooting a child.



http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a47267/korryn-gaines-shot-by-police-what-we-know/

Did they purposely shot this child? And who is defending the child being shot? Not one person has said that. Let's not twist things here. Had his mother not turned a warrant arrest into a hostage standoff situation the child would not have been shot.

 

[KaaBoom]

They did not go there to shoot the child. The child was caught in cross fire b/c of his mother's choices. Sad that the child got caught up in his mother's criminal ways.

Police are supposed to be trained not to fire if anyone is in the crossfire. That is basic gun safety.

 

[bamaguy83]

What is disgraceful is people who defend LE in shooting a young child. This type of insane debate makes me thing there is no hope for this country.

Something to think about. After getting shot by the police himself and watching his mother get gunned down and killed by the police, what do you think this kids attitude will be toward the police for the rest of his life? Every time the police do something like this to a child, they are making an enemy for life. We are in a downward spiral, and it is only going to get worse.

Yes my hope for the future of this country is rapidly disappearing but mostly because of the lack of respect for authority and never ending excuse making for criminal acts. Hopefully our decline into a third world country can be reversed at some point.


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[al66pine]

Any MSM quoting LE stmts about # of bullets fired by LEOs(?) And # of times Ms Gaines fired? Thx in adv.



" ...according to the Baltimore Sun, Gaines pointed the gun at officers and said, "If you don't leave, I'm going to kill you."Anofficerthen fired at Gaines. She fired two shots, but didn't hit an officer.
"We discharged one round at her," Police Chief James Johnson told reporters on Monday night. "In return, she fired several rounds back at us. We fired again at her, striking and killing her."
Gaines was hit several times, according to the Associated Press, and pronounced dead at the scene. Her son was hit in a limb...." bbm
^ per Aug 2 http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a47267/korryn-gaines-shot-by-police-what-we-know/

IIRC, MSM reported the bullet that struck the boy came from LEO's firearm.

 

[Kakidoll]

And the Heroin selling Babydaddy running out of the house doesn't bother you? The videos of her telling her son to bite the police and how evil they are is good parenting? She was an entitled who took advantage of 'the system' while all the while trying to 'fight' authority. And THIS is the person you want to defend? I hope you are never in need of help from someone. Her FAMILY couldn't even get her to put the gun down.

QUOTED FROM YOUR ARTICLE ABOVE: We discharged one round at her," Police Chief James Johnson told reporters on Monday night. "In return, she fired several rounds back at us. We fired again at her, striking and killing her."

SHE FIRED AT POLICE. She didn't give a rats that her child was there. And I will agree.. this world is going down the drain, because of people like her. She should NEVER have been a parent, she should NEVER have been given 'benefits' and she should NEVER threatened the lives of officers at a traffic stop, and she should NEVER have pointed a shotgun at police. SHE is to blame for her son being injured and unfortunately, his mind was already warped by her. And its doubful that he'll be anything other than another casualty of the broken system, since I'm sure her loving 'family' will just continue with the lies.. cuz they want the payout that everyone thinks they are entitled to when their precious darlings are shot in the commission of a crime.

 

[human]

And the Heroin selling Babydaddy running out of the house doesn't bother you? The videos of her telling her son to bite the police and how evil they are is good parenting? She was an entitled who took advantage of 'the system' while all the while trying to 'fight' authority. And THIS is the person you want to defend? I hope you are never in need of help from someone. Her FAMILY couldn't even get her to put the gun down.

QUOTED FROM YOUR ARTICLE ABOVE: We discharged one round at her," Police Chief James Johnson told reporters on Monday night. "In return, she fired several rounds back at us. We fired again at her, striking and killing her."

SHE FIRED AT POLICE. She didn't give a rats that her child was there. And I will agree.. this world is going down the drain, because of people like her. She should NEVER have been a parent, she should NEVER have been given 'benefits' and she should NEVER threatened the lives of officers at a traffic stop, and she should NEVER have pointed a shotgun at police. SHE is to blame for her son being injured and unfortunately, his mind was already warped by her. And its doubful that he'll be anything other than another casualty of the broken system, since I'm sure her loving 'family' will just continue with the lies.. cuz they want the payout that everyone thinks they are entitled to when their precious darlings are shot in the commission of a crime.

Most of all, she should have not subjected herself to lead paint as a child. And she should have never let herself become mentally ill.

 

[galiuro]

So she became pregnant and dropped out of college because...lead paint. Had a heroin dealer for a boyfriend because hey, lead paint...in short all of the bad decisions in her life are because of lead paint...including obtaining a firearm that ultimately got her killed...

 

[al66pine]

1. Who said she was mentally ill? I'm not saying she was or was not, IDK. Any ref beyond allegedly ingesting lead paint? An actual diagnosis? Anyone see MSM quote & attribution?
2. Any stmt that LEOs at scene knew she was mentally ill, if in fact, she had been diagnosed? Link?
3. "Anticipating" & being "prepared for this kind of confrontation" Who anticipates & prepares for a 'confrontation' like this w LE? Someone who ignores traffic tix? Someone who plans to refuse to open door to LE? A driver who tells her son to bite LEO making traffic stop? Someone who buys a shotgun and points it at LEOs? And who says 'If you don't leave, I'll kill you'? Maybe her anticipating a confrontation like that led to the confrontation like that?

What would have happened if she had answered the door, shown her hands, accepted the warrant(?) and said, 'Okay, I'll call someone to take care of kiddos, and I'll go to the station w you.' What would her chances of being shot & killed have been? Will anyone hazard a guess?

4. Does working at "a mental facility" mean the cousin is a "mental health professional"? If true, seems he would have specified his credentials but maybe not. If Ms Gaines mother (RN psych nurse) already been contacted by LEOs during 6-7 hr. standoff, she had already been given opportunity to give input/feedback to/address to daughter & to LEOs at scene. What could any family- mental health professionals coming to hosp do for Ms Gaines that med professionals there could not?

Maybe I missed some info or need to reread.

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^ 1. 2.3. "...Certain talking points return throughout the evening...if she was indeed, "mentally ill" as they say, isn't that further evidence they shouldn't have shot her?; ....
that Gaines anticipated and was prepared for this kind of confrontation and that it speaks to a long history of black armed struggle."

4. "...Michael Mason, another cousin of Gaines, says that when he showed up at the scene he was stopped by police and "asked...about the movement" and searched. He works at "a mental facility" and adds that Gaines' mother, Rhonda Dormeus, "is a registered nurse, a psych nurse at that...so you have two mental health professionals in the building that also have personal relationships but you didn't tap into that.""

Aug 7 http://www.citypaper.com/blogs/the-news-hole/bcpnews-korryn-gaines-vigil-remembers-her-life-establishes-a-counter-narrative-20160807-story.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No because I don't think the cops said "ok we are going to shoot now" just my opinion...and no you really don't have to agree ...but if she hadn't been holding a gun refusing to do as asked this would not have happened.


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There is no one to blame but this woman, period. It is very obvious to me she didn't care one iota about the safety of her child since SHE put him in this hostile environment. Instead of being a caring mother she was a mother threatening to shoot at police officers with a shotgun. Her son wouldn't have been in this violent situation if it hadn't been for his violent mother. She very easily could have complied with the warrant being served but like so many today she thought the rule of law didn't apply to her. I am appalled to see any parent teaching their child to bite our officers. All she has done is warp his mind and most likely he too will become another statistic when he refuses to follow the rule of law.

The only legacy she has left is teaching her child to become aggressive/violent instead of teaching him something worthwhile, like being respectful to those who are in authority. There are already way too many hostile aggressive children being taught this hostility by their parents and its not only seen when they interact with police officers but now they are brutally beating their teachers or the elderly or defenseless homeless people with some murdering them.

When our children were little they were taught then to respect police officers, teachers or the elderly and when they came of age to drive we told them to always respectful if they were stopped by the police and to always do what they asked them to do even if it was in a roadblock where everyone was being stopped. Surely all parents have had the same conversation with their children and if not, they certainly should because the vast majority of police shootings happened when the person refused to comply to simple commands.

She could have easily ended this peacefully. She is the sole one who provoked all of this. If she had truly cared about her son's safety she wouldn't have pulled a shotgun out to begin with in front of him nor would she have threatened officers who were only doing their jobs. That is the sole reason she is dead and no one is to blame but this woman.

Her child wouldn't have even been in the situation to be shot accidently by one of the officers if his mom hadn't acted like such an hostile violent a**. I imagine this little boy has already seen many things that were criminal acts in his short life, and may have seen his mother act violently many times before this. Its sad that the very thing she taught him may be the very thing that gets him killed one day.