GUILTY MD - Korryn Gaines, 23, fatally shot by Baltimore police, 1 Aug 2016

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http://www.aaets.org/article87.htm

officers involved in shootings suffer moderate or severe
problems and about 70 percent leave the force within seven years of the incident. Police are
admitted to hospitals at significantly higher rates than the general population and rank third
among occupations in premature death rates (Sewell et al, 1988). Interestingly, however, despite
the popular notion of rampantly disturbed police marriages, there is no evidence for a
disproportionately high divorce rate among officers (Borum & Philpot, 1993).

Perhaps the most tragic form of police casualty is suicide (Cummings, 1996; Hays, 1994;
McCafferty et al, 1992; Seligman et al, 1994). Twice as many officers, about 300 annually, die by
their own hand as are killed in the line of duty. In New York City, the suicide rate for police
officers is more than double the rate for the general population. In fact, these totals may actually
be even higher, since such deaths are sometimes underreported by fellow cops to avoid
stigmatizing the deceased officers and to allow families to collect benefits. Most suicide victims
are young patrol officers with no record of misconduct, and most shoot themselves off-duty.
Often, problems involving alcohol or romantic crises are the catalyst, and easy access to a lethal
weapon provides the ready means. Cops under stress are caught in the dilemma of risking
confiscation of their guns or other career setbacks if they report distress or request help.
 
  • #322
She was begging for them to put her in a body bag. If they didn't know, they should have. Maybe communication is something that can be improved upon.

How many citizens live in Baltimore? How many people do they engage with during traffic stops? I think it is unrealistic to assume that every officer is supposed to know all about the subject of every warrant they have to go and serve. It is like you are putting the burden of the cops that are just doing there daily duties. 'Go serve this arrest warrant. ' Are they now supposed to have some kind of detailed behavioral file on every citizen that is up for an arrest? I think that is a pretty burdensome task to place on the arresting officers.
 
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How many citizens live in Baltimore? How many people do they engage with during traffic stops? I think it is unrealistic to assume that every officer is supposed to know all about the subject of every warrant they have to go and serve. It is like you are putting the burden of the cops that are just doing there daily duties. 'Go serve this arrest warrant. ' Are they now supposed to have some kind of detailed behavioral file on every citizen that is up for an arrest? I think that is a pretty burdensome task to place on the arresting officers.

Yup. I think they do have reports. I posted the one about Jeff Hazlewood from GA up above.
 
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How many citizens live in Baltimore? How many people do they engage with during traffic stops? I think it is unrealistic to assume that every officer is supposed to know all about the subject of every warrant they have to go and serve. It is like you are putting the burden of the cops that are just doing there daily duties. 'Go serve this arrest warrant. ' Are they now supposed to have some kind of detailed behavioral file on every citizen that is up for an arrest? I think that is a pretty burdensome task to place on the arresting officers.

Burdensome or not, if it could save their life or someone else's life. Maybe it is worthwhile to do a check on the person they are about to arrest. No?

I have a sneaky suspicion that they knew exactly who they were going to arrest.
 
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Yup. I think they do have reports. I posted the one about Jeff Hazlewood from GA up above.

Yes, they have reports. But just general facts. There would be nothing in her traffic stop that would foresee her pulling out a loaded shotgun. She had no weapon in her car and made no mention of shooting the cops, IIRC.
 
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Burdensome or not, if it could save their life or someone else's life. Maybe it is worthwhile to do a check on the person they are about to arrest. No?

What kind of check could foresee she had a loaded shotgun and was going to point it at them? She had no weapon in her traffic stop.
 
  • #329
As I posted above, LE wants to change the approach. It is too much of a toll on officers and of course, the social issues and lawsuits do not help.

I disagree with that supposition. No authorities have suggested that "use of force continuum" be abandoned. Escalating force will always be "the" algorithm, up to and including lethal force. They may add a few new intermediary steps, a few new tricks or skills to deal with those who continue to resist, but the algorithm will continue to progress to use of lethal force.

Such situations, once known as use of force incidents, are now commonly referred to as response to resistance incidents, because a law enforcement officer must respond to resistance offered by another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum
 
  • #330
Yes, they have reports. But just general facts. There would be nothing in her traffic stop that would foresee her pulling out a loaded shotgun. She had no weapon in her car and made no mention of shooting the cops, IIRC.

Even though I posted the requirements of writing a good report, there is the important fact she said she was into the sovereign nation. As we know, the man who shot the police in Dallas was sovereign nation. Dallas was before her warranf.
 
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I disagree with that supposition. No authorities have suggested that "use of force continuum" be abandoned. Escalating force will always be "the" algorithm, up to and including lethal force. They may add a few new intermediary steps, a few new tricks or skills to deal with those who continue to resist, but the algorithm will continue to progress to use of lethal force.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum

I posted what LE said. I go with them
 
  • #332
What kind of check could foresee she had a loaded shotgun and was going to point it at them? She had no weapon in her traffic stop.

She was into sovereign nation. The same thing the Dallas shooter was into.
 
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Burdensome or not, if it could save their life or someone else's life. Maybe it is worthwhile to do a check on the person they are about to arrest. No?

I have a sneaky suspicion that they knew exactly who they were going to arrest.

I posted what is required of LE. They are required to write good detailed reports
 
  • #334
Yes, they have reports. But just general facts. There would be nothing in her traffic stop that would foresee her pulling out a loaded shotgun. She had no weapon in her car and made no mention of shooting the cops, IIRC.

She said " if you try to kidnap me, I promise, you will have to take me out in a bodybag"

She repeated this many times. Those officers who went to her home knew this. They knew she was going to fight them. I have no doubt in my mind.
 
  • #335
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-preparing-announce-findings-baltimore-police-force-41249109

Baltimore police officers routinely discriminate against blacks, repeatedly use excessive force and are not adequately held accountable for misconduct, according to a harshly critical Justice Department report being presented Wednesday.

The report, the culmination of a yearlong investigation into one of the country's largest police forces, also found that officers make large numbers of stops — mostly in poor, black neighborhoods — with dubious justification and unlawfully arrest citizens for speech deemed disrespectful. Physical force is used unnecessarily, including against the mentally disabled, and black pedestrians and drivers are disproportionately searched during stops, the report says.

The Justice Department released a copy of the report in advance of its public announcement at an event Wednesday morning in Baltimore.

The report represents a damning indictment of how the city's police officers carry out the most fundamental of policing practices, including traffic stops and searches and responding to First Amendment expression. Beyond that, though, it could serve as a blueprint for change: The Justice Department is seeking a court-enforceable consent decree that would force the police agency to commit to improvements to avoid a federal lawsuit.
 
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I disagree with that supposition. No authorities have suggested that "use of force continuum" be abandoned. Escalating force will always be "the" algorithm, up to and including lethal force. They may add a few new intermediary steps, a few new tricks or skills to deal with those who continue to resist, but the algorithm will continue to progress to use of lethal force.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lapd-rules-change-20160315-story.html
 
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I disagree with that supposition. No authorities have suggested that "use of force continuum" be abandoned. Escalating force will always be "the" algorithm, up to and including lethal force. They may add a few new intermediary steps, a few new tricks or skills to deal with those who continue to resist, but the algorithm will continue to progress to use of lethal force.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ent-so-many-shootings/?utm_term=.96c9b63217df
 
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I disagree with that supposition. No authorities have suggested that "use of force continuum" be abandoned. Escalating force will always be "the" algorithm, up to and including lethal force. They may add a few new intermediary steps, a few new tricks or skills to deal with those who continue to resist, but the algorithm will continue to progress to use of lethal force.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/12/health/police-deadly-force-technology-solutions/
 
  • #339
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-preparing-announce-findings-baltimore-police-force-41249109

Baltimore police officers routinely discriminate against blacks, repeatedly use excessive force and are not adequately held accountable for misconduct, according to a harshly critical Justice Department report being presented Wednesday.

The report, the culmination of a yearlong investigation into one of the country's largest police forces, also found that officers make large numbers of stops — mostly in poor, black neighborhoods — with dubious justification and unlawfully arrest citizens for speech deemed disrespectful. Physical force is used unnecessarily, including against the mentally disabled, and black pedestrians and drivers are disproportionately searched during stops, the report says.

The Justice Department released a copy of the report in advance of its public announcement at an event Wednesday morning in Baltimore.

The report represents a damning indictment of how the city's police officers carry out the most fundamental of policing practices, including traffic stops and searches and responding to First Amendment expression. Beyond that, though, it could serve as a blueprint for change: The Justice Department is seeking a court-enforceable consent decree that would force the police agency to commit to improvements to avoid a federal lawsuit.

Wow, this is damning. One line really stood out to me as it is in line with what I was saying earlier in the thread about revenge and anger:

Force is often used as a retaliatory tactic in instances where officers "did not like what those individuals said."

Sickening really.

We can only hope this does not fall upon deaf ears and that those who tend to ignore the concerns of these citizens will finally do some soul searching and give this some serious thought. Maybe, just maybe, there are some hard truths to be learned here.
 
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She said " if you try to kidnap me, I promise, you will have to take me out in a bodybag"

She repeated this many times. Those officers who went to her home knew this. They knew she was going to fight them. I have no doubt in my mind.

Were the officers that arrested Korryn during the traffic stop the same officers who attempted to arrest her for the bench warrant?
 

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