MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #4

[Cubby]

There is always information withheld from the public. LE will not release anything that would jeaprodize the case. IMO, MJ's comments about cooperating with the B family have everything to do with him placing the blame on DB - who we know has been officially cleared by LE. MJ on the otherhand has NOT been cleared. Of course he is going to do whatever he can to point the suspicion elsewhere.

Well, he can no longer do that with respect to DB - she is officially cleared per LE. MJ can however request LE give him polygraph if he believes he is being wrongfully held under suspicion and wishes to fully clear himself. (I personally won't hold my breath for MJ to take a poly).

JMO

 

[investigate1]

Well, he can no longer do that with respect to DB - she is officially cleared per LE. MJ can however request LE give him polygraph if he believes he is being wrongfully held under suspicion and wishes to fully clear himself. (I personally won't hold my breath for MJ to take a poly).

JMO

It seems as if MJ was going to attempt to use the (place blame on DB) as a strategy. If MJ is attempting to create strategies, that's telling me something right away.

 

[Cubby]

It seems as if MJ was going to attempt to use the (place blame on DB) as a strategy. If MJ is attempting to create strategies, that's telling me something right away.

Sadly, I think tossing LBC (possibly under the bus) into the mix and saying it was LBC who supposedly arrived at the apartment at 4:50 pm and found the door open and music blaring was part of a 'strategy'. Oddly, no one ever said where LBC was when DB arrived home, or when LBC left. It was never said how MJ knew LBC was there and how LBC got into the apartment if MJ wasn't homea and why he was likely not there when DB arrived home (unless he was and that has not been released to the public for some reason) All very hinky to me.

IMO, I still believe MJ has the answers to Phylicia's whereabouts. I hope his family realizes MJ may be willing to turn on them on a dime to save his own skin and if they know anything - anything at all they should call LE and provide them with any knowledge they have regarding PB's disappearance.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

Adding my thanks and appreciation for transcript as well GJ. Lots of time and great work. :great:

I was able to read threads from earlier (around the time mentioning body found). My nerves became a mess. PG county Maryland murder rate has been very high this yr from my understanding, equals about 1 per day and not slowing down any (is my understanding). Mostly drug related and robbery. Mainly males.

Continuing to stay focused on PB. I wanted to know, did anyone read when MJ mentioned that he was cooperating with the Barnes/DB until the BIG incident happened? He states that the BIG incident was about him having a new female friend. Yet, if it's true that DB found out about the pics while she was at work, while MJ and PB was alone at apt that day, then that means he would not have time to cooperate would he? I know MJ stated that he did speak to RB, DB etc.. I'm almost certain that MJ told RB, the same thing he told LE, which would be the same thing he typed on the find PB FB group and he will probably stick to that story.

I'm taking it, if DB has been cleared, there had to be truthfulness to the time lines on the phone calls/text. I'm almost certain that there is still information being with-held from the public. Any thoughts.

I'm with you. I've been thinking about how this ties with MJ's tending to tell enough of the truth, but not all of it.
He cooperated with the investigation until the "big Incident." Well, perhaps he cooperated until LE learned about the big incident? That means he cooperated for a few hours, or maybe a day? I wonder how long DB kept that part (the photo snoop) under wraps?

 

[georgiajean]

Sadly, I think tossing LBC (possibly under the bus) into the mix and saying it was LBC who supposedly arrived at the apartment at 4:50 pm and found the door open and music blaring was part of a 'strategy'. Oddly, no one ever said where LBC was when DB arrived home, or when LBC left. It was never said how MJ knew LBC was there and how LBC got into the apartment if MJ wasn't homea and why he was likely not there when DB arrived home (unless he was and that has not been released to the public for some reason) All very hinky to me.

IMO, I still believe MJ has the answers to Phylicia's whereabouts. I hope his family realizes MJ may be willing to turn on them on a dime to save his own skin and if they know anything - anything at all they should call LE and provide them with any knowledge they have regarding PB's disappearance.

JMO

I believe that LBC arrived back at the apartment around 3 pm and was still there at 4:50 when MJ arrived, and left with MJ before DB arrived at 6-ish. The "friends" who arrived there to find the door open and the music blaring at 3-ish... I had thought it was MJ and LBCwho arrived at 3. But now I wonder. It may have been LBC and a cousin. Anyway, that piece of the puzzle often gets left out my MSM. I assume whoever those friends were, they are part of the 6/12 POI.

Having LBC be the one who arrived at the house to the open door/music made it so MJ was not the one who came home to find the door and music. I find that very interesting.



ETA per user request - the 3pm time of arrival or arrival time of LBC is still being researched for verification and not yet confirmed.

 

[Cubby]

I'm confused. I don't remember anything about anyone arriving at the apartment at 3pm ish. I thought 3 pm ish was the time KB reached someone, maybe DB to say she still hadn't reached PB and thought PB would call her when she woke?

Do you still have a copy of MJ's removed posts from the find PB FB group?
Can we clarify where this 3pm comes in?

thanks!

 

[Cubby]

From GJ's timeline in post #168


· 3:08 KB Calls DB to see if she knows where PB is, still can’t reach her by phone. DB tells her MJ said she was sleeping on the couch at 1:30, so she’s probably still sleeping. KB decides PB will call her when she wakes up. (Peas Interview 3)

· 4 pm JS has bad feeling about something. Not sure what it is. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../14/ng.01.html

· Time???“My daughter’s friends came home,” said Russell Barnes, “and the door was unlocked and the music was loud. That’s all they can tell me.” http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/1...re-speaks-out/

· 4:50 PM MJ came back to the house, PB was not there. His LBC was there. (MJ Find PB postings, archived by GJ prior to erasure)

· 5:00 pm Then, at 5 pm, MJ texted DB and said that PB was up and active. http://www.wbtv.com/global/category....partnerclipid= (no longer available Was raw, unedited interview with JS)

· 5:10 pm When MJ came back to the apartment about 5:10, the door was unlocked, music in the apartment was turned up extremely loudly. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../14/ng.01.html

· 6: pm DB then got home at 6p and found PB gone. She thought that PB woke up and called KB to come get her. (1-17 on Find PB FB discussion, since wiped clean. From WS post #488,by NatLock on Thread #1. GJ verifies that this is what she read, also.)



I see some major contradictions in this timeline.

-MJ came home at 4:50 or 5:10?
-Who came home to find the apartment unlocked and the music turned up loudly MJ or LBC?
-What prompted MJ to text DB at 5pm to say PB was up and around? How would he know if when he last saw her at 1:30pm she was sleeping on the couch?
-And if he was not involved and knew PB was missing why the delay for hours later when the family was still trying to reach him? This would have been PRIOR to LE interviewing anyone other than taking a missing persons report. Why was MJ evasive PRIOR to anyone being interviewed by LE.


There is clearly some of the time line provided by MJ that is conflicting and hinky (my hinky meter is flying on this one).

How did LBC get back into the apartment? that has never been released, did LBC have a key or not? Did MJ arrange for LBC to pick a key up from him the day PB went missing so MJ did not arrive at the apartment to find it empty being the last person to see PB alive. Hinky meter flying! I see both MJ AND LBC not behing honest here. I wonder if one is gonna let the other throw him under the bus or tell the truth. PB has been missing long enough.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

I'm confused. I don't remember anything about anyone arriving at the apartment at 3pm ish. I thought 3 pm ish was the time KB reached someone, maybe DB to say she still hadn't reached PB and thought PB would call her when she woke?

Do you still have a copy of MJ's removed posts from the find PB FB group?
Can we clarify where this 3pm comes in?

thanks!

I am working on it. I thought I had put it into our time line, but no.
Went back to Find PB posts, and I did see that MJ indicated he had three younger brothers (check) and that LBC is "the youngest" and "a teenager". And that the 18 year old bro was not LBC.

He also said that he left at 1:30, and returned at 4:50 and LBC was already there.

He also indicated that there was more about his LBC that had not been revealed, and he was going to check and see if it would hinder their situation by revealing it. That makes me stop and think hard.

 

[Cubby]

I am working on it. I thought I had put it into our time line, but no.
Went back to Find PB posts, and I did see that MJ indicated he had three younger brothers (check) and that LBC is "the youngest" and "a teenager". And that the 18 year old bro was not LBC.

He also said that he left at 1:30, and returned at 4:50 and LBC was already there.

He also indicated that there was more about his LBC that had not been revealed, and he was going to check and see if it would hinder their situation by revealing it. That makes me stop and think hard.

TY. BBM. It only makes me stop and think until I get to the point MJ is not talking to LE and lawyered up. This is the family of a girl he loved, a girl he allegedly wanted to get back together with. Me thinks MJ did not add more about LBC because he did not want to get caught in a lie.

Otherwise we would hear LE stating that MJ was cooperating but not giving the public details. That is NOT what we are hearing from LE. LE has stated they are having a difficult time moving forward with the investigation because MJ was not communicating (outside of the one meeting last week sometime and that was quite a while after the last time LE had spoken with him.)

JMO

 

[Cubby]

Interesting that LE is saying via MSM MJ was the last persons to see PB alive, but no one is saying a word about who came home to that apartment to find it empty, unlocked and the music blaring.


Why would MJ text DB at 5'sh to say PB was up and around when DB did not realize PB was missing until she arrived home at 6'sh. Hmmmm... why the call an hour earlier from MJ. That stinks to high you know what to me. Something is clearly very wrong if MJ texted DB an hour before DB was worrying about PB's whereabouts.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

I'm confused. I don't remember anything about anyone arriving at the apartment at 3pm ish. I thought 3 pm ish was the time KB reached someone, maybe DB to say she still hadn't reached PB and thought PB would call her when she woke?

Do you still have a copy of MJ's removed posts from the find PB FB group?
Can we clarify where this 3pm comes in?

thanks!

Is there a way to search for posts with "music loud door open" in the four threads? The reference to 3 is posted in there, somewhere, and I'm getting a headache looking through all my old posts. It did not come from the Find PB posts. This was something from MSM.

 

[Cubby]

We'd have to go to advanced search in each of the 4 threads individually for those key words. add: the search allows both the key words and by poster so I will try that way.

I will look for it after I get my son in his bed.

 

[georgiajean]

We'd have to go to advanced search in each of the 4 threads individually for those key words. add: the search allows both the key words and by poster so I will try that way.

I will look for it after I get my son in his bed.

It was thread 2 or 3.

I can't find it now, and it is not in any of my notes. It may have been a figment. But I remember talking about it. It may be something I heard RB say, and I transcribed it from a video. Or it was in a NG transcript and I decided it was a typo. Argh.

I would want to search for "door music friends"

And if you are able to do that, thank you very much. Or give me directions (I can't figure out the advanced search stuff. Feeling very stupid right now.)

 

[Cubby]

It's not you with the search, lol. The software WS uses is not very user friendly with forums as large as ours (over 1 million posts ) and it takes a little bit to get used to utilizing the search feature here. Took me years, lol.

This is what I did. I went to the MLDF (missing located discussion forum) which is what houses PB's thread (rather than searching all of WS) Then to search this forum, advanced search. I searched by keywords, your user name AND the prefix MD. then checked to show results as posts (instead of threads because we'd still have to look through the whole thread. ) HTH

Here is what I found oldest to newest.

1/14 per NG show MJ arrived at the apartment at 5:10pm to find the door unlocked and music loud.

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1/23 GJ referenced info from 1st Peas interview that DB's friends came back to the apartment but no time given and wonders who those friends were.

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1/24 GJ post regarding timeline. References the 3:08 text from KB to DB.
Lots of info about what MJ said occured at 1:30 - as of this 1/24 post the conflicting info about what time MJ arrived 4:50 or 5:10 pm. (same info about text to DB from MJ at 5pm or so and DB becoming aware PB was missing at 6pm) No reference to what time LBC allegedgedly arrived home

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1/25 time line pulled from thread 2. ( I think this is the same timeline referenced 1/24)

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2/2 - discussion about remembering friends coming by at 3'ish ( but I can only find the 3pm reference back to the text from KB to DB regarding PB not answering and not being awake yet.)

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next timeline posts were from 2/5 and then the discussion today.


I am wondering if perhaps the confusion with the 3pm came in with KB's call to DB. No worries though, so many condradictions from the players in this case here it is hard to keep up with the timeline so I am glad I went through the posts. GJ, I only searched posts by yourself, so if you think I should look again quickly at all of them, perhaps someone else had added something about the 3pm? Let me know.... (LMK)

Otherwise I am not finding anything to indicate anyone arrived earlier than 4:50 or 5:10 and that being MJ, not anyone else.

hth

 

[Cubby]

So we have:

All following times are PM.

12:23 or so all communication with PB abrubtly ends.
12:30-1:30 - KB (and db?) continue to try and contact PB and can not.
12:30-1:30 - sometime within this hour MJ relays to DB PB is sleeping on the couch.
1:30 - MJ leaves with PB 'sleeping' on couch
3:08 - KB calls DB to comment on PB still being asleep.

4:50 or 5:10pm MJ comes back to the apartment to find the door unlocked and music loud.


Still not finding where MJ said LBC got back to the apartment sometime prior to MJ arriving.

hth

ETA above reported (originally) by DB and MJ. MJ through the sanitized Find PB FB page and DB through Peas and various MSM.

 

[Cubby]

IMO, whatever happened to PB was via MJ between 12:23 and 1:30pm.
MJ leaves at 1:30 to go? and returns at 4:50 texts DB that PB was up and around, leaves again? and DB comes home to an empty apartment about 6pm.

IMO MJ got some 'splaining to do.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

It's not you with the search, lol. The software WS uses is not very user friendly with forums as large as ours (over 1 million posts ) and it takes a little bit to get used to utilizing the search feature here. Took me years, lol.

This is what I did. I went to the MLDF (missing located discussion forum) which is what houses PB's thread (rather than searching all of WS) Then to search this forum, advanced search. I searched by keywords, your user name AND the prefix MD. then checked to show results as posts (instead of threads because we'd still have to look through the whole thread. ) HTH

Here is what I found oldest to newest.

1/14 per NG show MJ arrived at the apartment at 5:10pm to find the door unlocked and music loud.

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1/23 GJ referenced info from 1st Peas interview that DB's friends came back to the apartment but no time given and wonders who those friends were.

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1/24 GJ post regarding timeline. References the 3:08 text from KB to DB.
Lots of info about what MJ said occured at 1:30 - as of this 1/24 post the conflicting info about what time MJ arrived 4:50 or 5:10 pm. (same info about text to DB from MJ at 5pm or so and DB becoming aware PB was missing at 6pm) No reference to what time LBC allegedgedly arrived home

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1/25 time line pulled from thread 2. ( I think this is the same timeline referenced 1/24)

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2/2 - discussion about remembering friends coming by at 3'ish ( but I can only find the 3pm reference back to the text from KB to DB regarding PB not answering and not being awake yet.)

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next timeline posts were from 2/5 and then the discussion today.


I am wondering if perhaps the confusion with the 3pm came in with KB's call to DB. No worries though, so many condradictions from the players in this case here it is hard to keep up with the timeline so I am glad I went through the posts. GJ, I only searched posts by yourself, so if you think I should look again quickly at all of them, perhaps someone else had added something about the 3pm? Let me know.... (LMK)

Otherwise I am not finding anything to indicate anyone arrived earlier than 4:50 or 5:10 and that being MJ, not anyone else.

hth

Thank you very much.
I clearly got my wires crossed. I am going to go back (tomorrow) and look at the last interview with RB, because I think that is where it came out. I think it is one of the things from thread 3 that I wanted to add to the timeline but never got to, because new stuff came out so quickly. If I find it, I will let you know!

Do you want to add something to my post referencing the 3 pm, that I can't verify it yet, so no one gets confused?
Thank you again.

 

[georgiajean]

On the Pray for PB facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pray-for-Phylicia-Barnes/177767702243339?v=wall
The guardian angel George has posted a bunch of new pics of PB from over Christmas with her family. Beautiful pictures. They are in the photo folder.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you very much.
I clearly got my wires crossed. I am going to go back (tomorrow) and look at the last interview with RB, because I think that is where it came out. I think it is one of the things from thread 3 that I wanted to add to the timeline but never got to, because new stuff came out so quickly. If I find it, I will let you know!

Do you want to add something to my post referencing the 3 pm, that I can't verify it yet, so no one gets confused?
Thank you again.

I added an edit note in bold per user request. hth and no worries on the wires being crossed. I think this was one of those things MJ alluded to on the FB page and we were speculating or theorizing......

 

[Texas Mist]

Posted on February 7, 2011 at 11:20 PM
Updated yesterday at 11:20 PM

BALTIMORE, MD. -- On the corkboard outside the homicide unit at the Baltimore Police Department, detectives have posted fliers with photos of the victims they are seeking justice for.

Among them you'll find a fresh-faced teenager in a pink shirt smiling in a self-portrait. Phylicia Barnes is officially listed as "Missing."

more here + video

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Phylicia-Barnes-NewsChannel-36-in-Baltimore--115535284.html