MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #4

[georgiajean]

Other things I found.
This video from the day PB's school announced the reward has some different footage. You can see PB's whole NC family, siblings, etc... More interview bits with friends from school. Noting really different than the article.
http://www.wcnc.com/home/Reward-offered-for-missing-Monroe-teen-114789944.html

Raw video footage of JS talking about PB. Again, nothing new, not worth transcribing, a lot of it ended up on NG or in articles already. I may have even transcribed this before. It sounds very familiar. But if so, it's lost on thread 2...
http://www.wcnc.com/video/raw/Raw-v...-Phylicia-Barnes-disappearance-114821274.html

Hah, I knew I had transcribed the video. It was back on thread three: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28 December 2010 - #3

 

[investigate1]

MJ never made an effort on the find PB group on FB to say that he saw or heard PB's phone ringing or vibrating. The question was asked to him about (why wouldn't two ppl hear PB's phone sounding off). If PB were asleep, MJ would have absolutely heard or saw her phone sounding off. There would not be much noise in the apt at that time. No loud music should have been playing because PB would not be able to sleep.

MJ avoided the question. Someone close to MJ finally answered the question for him. That person stated poor phone reception. If MJ is saying that he phoned DB because he saw/heard PB's phone ringing/vibrating, that means once again MJ was close enough up on PB again. MJ must have (seen) who was calling/texting PB. Why is he screening PB's calls? Not his business. He made a lot of PB's business on that day become his business for a reason.

Adding on: If MJ was making so much of PB's business on the 28th, become so much of his business, why didn't he volunteer to go and get PB something to eat. Next we will hear (because PB said she was going to grab something to eat when KB arrived but, that's not going to work because he said, that PB said, that she was going to WALK to a near by store. BS!

 

[investigate1]

Hah, I knew I had transcribed the video. It was back on thread three: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28 December 2010 - #3

Great work!!!

 

[georgiajean]

I thought DB said she last spoke with PB at 12:34? Now I am all confused again.

I wish we knew what time DB last verbally spoke with PB.

Working with these various times is driving me batty. We need DB to clarify exactly when she last verbally spoke with PB and then when texts ended.

And someone tell me if MJ's phone was not working and was trying to find a charger how the heck did he text that? I don't text so have no idea how it works.

From what I know:
Db last verbally spoke with PB when she asked PB to snoop.
The communication from PB TO DB, saying "yes, I found the pics" was a text.
And then it is a short time period from that text to MJ texting DB that PB's phone was vibrating and she was asleep. So to go from the intensity of snooping on FB and being in the middle of two adults having a cell-phone relationship argument, to asleep in half an hour? That makes NO sense. IMO.

If PB's last text to DB was 12:23ish, and then KB texted PB right before 12:30 to see if she was up and dressed, and there was no answer. Okay, that just shrunk the window of time to five minutes! Unless PB didn't answer because MJ and DB were arguing on the phones and she was focused on that...

ETA from the time line:
· 12:23 DB’s last communication with PB was 12:23. (1-17 on Find PB FB discussion, since wiped clean. From WS post #488,by NatLock on Thread #1. GJ verifies that this is what she read, also.) Confirmed 12:23 PB acknowledges she finds the photo via text. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/28/ng.02.html
· 12:23 (KB texted back to PB) “I started calling her, texting her, leaving her voicemails, everything. And nothing.” http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/12/31/family-of-nc-teen-missing-in-baltimore-speaks-out/
· 12:30 LE told NG PB communicated through text messages with half sister about 12:30 in afternoon. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/14/ng.01.html (Also in http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/15/maryland.missing.girl/index.html?hpt=T2)
· 12:30-ish KB texts PB before she leaves work in D.C. “Are you up and getting dressed?” No Answer. (Peas Interview 3)

 

[georgiajean]

I thought DB said she last spoke with PB at 12:34? Now I am all confused again.

I wish we knew what time DB last verbally spoke with PB.

Working with these various times is driving me batty. We need DB to clarify exactly when she last verbally spoke with PB and then when texts ended.

And someone tell me if MJ's phone was not working and was trying to find a charger how the heck did he text that? I don't text so have no idea how it works.

Sometimes you can send a text with the last bit of battery. You don't have enough to get a phone call to go through, and the phone will die in the middle, but you can text.

 

[Cubby]

Things become a little suspect to me after PB's (last) phone contact with KB and the 11:30am (FB post from PB). There is a time where KB could no longer receive replies from PB (but) DB was able too and that's kind of strange because PB wanted to speak to KB.

MJ had no choice but to tell partial truth because he knew cell phone records would be involved.

Me too. We know when KB last had verbal contact with PB. What we don't know is when DB last had verbal contact with PB.


IMO, it would be interesting to know exactly what time DB asked PB to look at the fb page. Was that verbally or electronically? That would certainly help narrow the time line. And if anyone verbally spoke with PB after the 11:08 am call between PB and KB.

 

[georgiajean]

Found the 3 pm reference, and some other things.
NG transcript.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/28/ng.02.html

Russell BARNES: Yes. When I arrived in Baltimore, my family was hysterical. I had a lot of family members that came out of nowhere to just aid and assist with finding Phylicia. Pretty much, Dina didn`t know how much family that she had, the Barnes family that she had up in Baltimore. So people came to assist.
And that morning, when I woke up and Dina was there and the ex- boyfriend was there, I confronted all of them and I said to them, Look, I need to know who has in this home, who has any ties with Phylicia. I said to Dina, You`re a suspect. Mike (ph), you`re a suspect. Everyone`s a suspect. So the cousin had lived there. He says that -- I told him that he was a suspect, as well. So I made them write down a list of people that came through the house, those family members, cousins, with my daughter...

NG reporter: Now, at 11:09, she speaks to Phylicia over the phone. She asks Phylicia what`s going on. Phylicia informs her that the ex-boyfriend is at the apartment washing clothes, but she also asks Phylicia to look on Facebook to see if she sees a photo of the ex-boyfriend with another woman.

DAVID LOHR, CRIME REPORTER: Well, that`s a good question, Jean. He seems to have gone back and forth out of that apartment several times. He was supposedly moving some of his belongings in and out. We have some people who have came to the apartment around 3:00, 3:30. They said they didn`t see anybody there. So you know, when exactly he was last there we don`t know at this point. He claims to be there around 5:00. The sister got home from work around 6:00. So, you know, the timeline`s still sketchy at this point.

 

[Cubby]

I'm still stuck on the last verbal communication between DB and PB.

If MJ knew DB was snooping and then MJ was snooping on PB to find out what DB was doing/saying that tosses a different possible scenario into the mix for me - which includeds MJ losing his temper immediately after learning PB was snooping for DB. Once he realized she wasn't sleeping he could have posed as PB to DB avoiding KB (because he knew he could likely fool DB but not KB) which kind of explains why a lot of texts went between DB and PB but NOT KB.

I think we need to know when DB last had verbal communication with PB before we can expand or contract the timeline. Mine right starts at 11:08 with the last verbal communication between KB and PB. So 11:08 until whenever MJ arrived at home and that of course depends on where MJ was communicating from. Was he still really at the apartment until 1:30 or not?

jmo

 

[investigate1]

If PB's last text to DB was 12:23ish, and then KB texted PB right before 12:30 to see if she was up and dressed, and there was no answer. Okay, that just shrunk the window of time to five minutes! Unless PB didn't answer because MJ and DB were arguing on the phones and she was focused on that...

Also, being that PB was waiting for KB's call/text, she would have checked her phone and called back. If her battery was low, and she and MJ were on good terms, PB would have asked MJ (could she hold HIS phone) to call KB back.

Cubby says: IMO, it would be interesting to know exactly what time DB asked PB to look at the fb page. Was that verbally or electronically? That would certainly help narrow the time line. And if anyone verbally spoke with PB after the 11:08 am call between PB and KB.

It would be nice to have that time and to know WHY did it take so long for that information to come out. "The Big Incident".

 

[Falconi]

At the time MJ called DB to say PB was 'sleeping' whatever happened had already occured. IMO, by that phone call MJ tied himself to being there when PB was incapacitated and unable to come to the phone. The question remains, at least for myself, is whether MJ had any accomplices later that day to assist him with whereever he put PB.

Only time will tell if MJ goes down for this alone or if those who assisted him (known or unknown to them) go down with him. Not sharing what happened that day, by ANYONE AND EVERYONE who was in contact with MJ that day puts them in a position of minimally obstruction justice or possibly as accessory to murder.

All my opinion only.

I think that this is a very important point that may or may not have been emphasized by LE, and which may or may not be resonating with people closest to the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if federal LE were already on top of exactly who that is.
JMO

 

[Cubby]

From the NG transcripts linked above:

DAVID LOHR, CRIME REPORTER: Well, that`s a good question, Jean. He seems to have gone back and forth out of that apartment several times. He was supposedly moving some of his belongings in and out. We have some people who have came to the apartment around 3:00, 3:30. They said they didn`t see anybody there. So you know, when exactly he was last there we don`t know at this point. He claims to be there around 5:00. The sister got home from work around 6:00. So, you know, the timeline`s still sketchy at this point.


Imo, that doesn't say enough to determine what was meant by came to the apartment. IMO, 'came to the apartment and didn't see anyone' could mean we stopped by and no one answered the door bell. The parking lot was almost empty being a week day and we didn't see anyones (being who lived in DB's apt) car there.

I would not take the above info from David Lohr to mean anyone gained access to the apartment at 3pm.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

Me too. We know when KB last had verbal contact with PB. What we don't know is when DB last had verbal contact with PB.


IMO, it would be interesting to know exactly what time DB asked PB to look at the fb page. Was that verbally or electronically? That would certainly help narrow the time line. And if anyone verbally spoke with PB after the 11:08 am call between PB and KB.

I think we may be posting over each other. lol.

· 11:08 (last text FROM PB to KB) “She texted me while I was at work and asked me to come pick her up,” said Kelly Barnes, her half-sister. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/1...re-speaks-out/ Verified Peas Interview 3 This was the last time KB heard from PB. There is no indication that PB spoke with KB, verbally, at all. IMO perhaps KB's work at Kindercare did not leave room for phone communication.

· 11:09 DB speaks to PB over the phone, asks PB what’s going on. PB tells her MJ is there doing laundry. DB asks PB to look on facebook for the photo of MJ with another woman http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.02.html
This is the last time DB hears PB's voice.

 

[investigate1]

So, when MJ states on the find PB group on FB that, PB was acting normal; and that they even chatted for a while about x-mas etc, that must have been before 11:00am. I can't see PB acting normal if DB and MJ were going back and forth about relationship issues. Not one time did MJ mention in the FB group about disagreements. Once he did mention about possible disagreements, MJ made it seem like disagreements came later that night or so. He quickly paused after explaining that PB told DB that he was there doing laundry. He stated for him to get back on topic.

 

[Cubby]

I think that this is a very important point that may or may not have been emphasized by LE, and which may or may not be resonating with people closest to the case.

I wouldn't be surprised if federal LE were already on top of exactly who that is.
JMO

BBM. I agree. LE would always rather prosecute a murder case with a body, but as I posted and linked before there are plenty of succesful convictions where no body has ever been found. It takes time to build a case and my gut is telling me when charges come down there will be more than one person charged with something related to PB's disappearance.

Too many players in this case and too few people talking/cooperating with LE.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

I think we may be posting over each other. lol.

· 11:08 (last text FROM PB to KB) “She texted me while I was at work and asked me to come pick her up,” said Kelly Barnes, her half-sister. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2010/1...re-speaks-out/ Verified Peas Interview 3 This was the last time KB heard from PB. There is no indication that PB spoke with KB, verbally, at all. IMO perhaps KB's work at Kindercare did not leave room for phone communication.

· 11:09 DB speaks to PB over the phone, asks PB what’s going on. PB tells her MJ is there doing laundry. DB asks PB to look on facebook for the photo of MJ with another woman http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.02.html
This is the last time DB hears PB's voice.

Thanks for the clarification. So the last verbal communication time did not change, just whom PB last verbally spoke to. NO ONE verbally spoke to PB after 11:09 am the same time DB asks PB to snoop on MJ's fb page.

hmmm..... then MJ texts two and a half hours after the last verbal communcation with PB that PB was sleeping, despite PB having allegedly communcated electronically for another 1.5 hours after anyone last verbally spoke with her.

I sure hope LE and the FBI have their forensic writing experts reviewing those texts allegedly from PB.

ETA: Then sometime later in the evening he texts or relays to DB PB was up and around.
Hinky meter off the charts!

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

Thanks for the clarification. So the last verbal communication time did not change, just whom PB last verbally spoke to. NO ONE verbally spoke to PB after 11:09 am the same time DB asks PB to snoop on MJ's fb page.

hmmm..... then MJ texts two and a half hours after the last verbal communcation with PB that PB was sleeping, despite PB having allegedly communcated electronically for another 1.5 hours after anyone last verbally spoke with her.

I sure hope LE and the FBI have their forensic writing experts reviewing those texts allegedly from PB.

ETA: Then sometime later in the evening he texts or relays to DB PB was up and around.
Hinky meter off the charts!

JMO

Agree. In spades.

 

[georgiajean]

So, when MJ states on the find PB group on FB that, PB was acting normal; and that they even chatted for a while about x-mas etc, that must have been before 11:00am. I can't see PB acting normal if DB and MJ were going back and forth about relationship issues. Not one time did MJ mention in the FB group about disagreements. Once he did mention about possible disagreements, MJ made it seem like disagreements came later that night or so. He quickly paused after explaining that PB told DB that he was there doing laundry. He stated for him to get back on topic.

Yep, I remember that. The pause was very significant, IMO.

 

[investigate1]

Just wondering. I know I'm way off base but, I'm wondering when MJ returned at around 9ish am - 10ish am, did he have his own vehicle or did he borrow someone else vehicle (such as) another persons vehicle (possibly) where he slept/spent the night at before he arrived at apt in the morning. Perhaps the New friend of his or someone other than family. I'm still troubled about the laptop vs the comp. MJ specifically stated that PB sat on the couch and signed online. (Find PB group on FB)

 

[Cubby]

Just wondering. I know I'm way off base but, I'm wondering when MJ returned at around 9ish am - 10ish am, did he have his own vehicle or did he borrow someone else vehicle (such as) another persons vehicle (possibly) where he slept/spent the night at before he arrived at apt in the morning. Perhaps the New friend of his or someone other than family. I'm still troubled about the laptop vs the comp. MJ specifically stated that PB sat on the couch and signed online. (Find PB group on FB)

MJ works nights so he presumable got off work early Tuesday morning and went straight to the apartment. I think in his own car as I can't see him borrowing someone else's car to get to work Monday night.

I also think LE is building a case based on pings. Cell phone pings and traffic or toll survellience camera's. LE may be able to get images to determine if anyone was in the car with MJ or if he was alone and his time that afternoon is accounted for.

I still wonder if they used cadaver dogs or not. Lots of possibilities and it is far too early for LE to have all that data back and be done analyzing it. ETA: It has only been 5 weeks and that kind of forensic info takes months and months. For Example, in California it takes the DOJ 4 months to put together a profile for a UID. I don't see LE being done any sooner than 4 -6 months with analyzing their data, and that is even a short amount of time in the land of forensics.


JMO

 

[investigate1]

MJ works nights so he presumable got off work early Tuesday morning and went straight to the apartment. I think in his own car as I can't see him borrowing someone else's car to get to work Monday night.

I also think LE is building a case based on pings. Cell phone pings and traffic or toll survellience camera's. LE may be able to get images to determine if anyone was in the car with MJ or if he was alone and his time that afternoon is accounted for.

I still wonder if they used cadaver dogs or not. Lots of possibilities and it is far too early for LE to have all that data back and be done analyzing it. ETA: It has only been 5 weeks and that kind of forensic info takes months and months. For Example, in California it takes the DOJ 4 months to put together a profile for a UID. I don't see LE being done any sooner than 4 -6 months with analyzing their data, and that is even a short amount of time in the land of forensics.


JMO

Thanks Cubby. A while back, you spoke about the different times for night shift (such as grave yard shift etc). Can you re-post those times for me, so I can see more clearly. Also, has it been stated exactly what type of work MJ does or some sort of description?