MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #4

[Cubby]

24 hour shifts are usually broken up as follows

7:30am-3:30pm
3:30pm-11:30pm
11:30pm-7:30am

They may be a half hour off either side (7am-3pm, 3pm-11pm, 11pm-7am or 8am-4pm, 4pm-12am, 12am-8am) but most are on the 7:30, 3:30 and 11:30 start times.

Those who I knew who worked 3rd shift always started late on a Sunday night into Monday morning for their first work day of the week. With Christmas falling on Saturday let's assume the Christmas holiday for MJ would have been to have that Sunday night into Mon am off and his first day of work that week (if he worked a full scheduled week) would have been to go to work late Monday night into Tuesday am. So I think it is fair to say his first day of work the week PB went missing was the prior Monday evening into the morning of the day PB went missing.

I'm only thinking of rescheduling the actual Christmas day holiday when it falls on a weekend because most employers will do that and not all employers offer a full day off for Christmas eve.

It has not been said what type of overnight work MJ does. (that I can recall)

hth

ETA: I should add the above is based on a 5 day M-F work week and if the plant or company ran 7 days a week that would be different starting and ending days of the week for days off, but shift times usually run the same hours as posted above.

 

[georgiajean]

24 hour shifts are usually broken up as follows

7:30am-3:30pm
3:30pm-11:30pm
11:30pm-7:30am

They may be a half hour off either side (7am-3pm, 3pm-11pm, 11pm-7am or 8am-4pm, 4pm-12am, 12am-8am) but most are on the 7:30, 3:30 and 11:30 start times.

Those who I knew who worked 3rd shift always started late on a Sunday night into Monday morning for their first work day of the week. With Christmas falling on Saturday let's assume the Christmas holiday for MJ would have been to have that Sunday night into Mon am off and his first day of work that week (if he worked a full scheduled week) would have been to go to work late Monday night into Tuesday am. So I think it is fair to say his first day of work the week PB went missing was the prior Monday evening into the morning of the day PB went missing.

I'm only thinking of rescheduling the actual Christmas day holiday when it falls on a weekend because most employers will do that and not all employers offer a full day off for Christmas eve.

It has not been said what type of overnight work MJ does. (that I can recall)

hth

ETA: I should add the above is based on a 5 day M-F work week and if the plant or company ran 7 days a week that would be different starting and ending days of the week for days off, but shift times usually run the same hours as posted above.

Based on the Find PB posts, I am thinking MJ worked the 3rd shift. Is that what you are thinking, Cubby and investigate1?

 

[georgiajean]

Video: Inside Homicide, Bmore
http://www.wcnc.com/home/Video-Insi...stigating-Barnes-disappearance-115589724.html

It isn't worth transcribing, nothing new.
But, good video coverage of the apartment area, and the first glimpse of the inner door to DB's apartment.

 

[georgiajean]

Another new MSM article, not much new.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/08/2044830/missing-teens-baltimore-relatives.html

What is conspicuous is the absence of the information about the FB snooping. The timeline the siblings give is a bare bones skeleton that leaves out more than it leaves in.

Why has that disappeared from MSM? Seems like that would be huge, and anyone who was talking to the Barnes siblings would be asking about that?

Or would LE have the ability to say "You may not talk about that FB stuff anymore."

 

[investigate1]

Based on the Find PB posts, I am thinking MJ worked the 3rd shift. Is that what you are thinking, Cubby and investigate1?

Yes, I was thinking MJ might get off work around 7am. Take about 30 minutes (stretched) to get home. 30 minutes is probably plenty of time. Which makes 7:30am a good time to get to his destination. That still leaves 1 1/2 hrs of free time.

 

[georgiajean]

Just wondering. I know I'm way off base but, I'm wondering when MJ returned at around 9ish am - 10ish am, did he have his own vehicle or did he borrow someone else vehicle (such as) another persons vehicle (possibly) where he slept/spent the night at before he arrived at apt in the morning. Perhaps the New friend of his or someone other than family. I'm still troubled about the laptop vs the comp. MJ specifically stated that PB sat on the couch and signed online. (Find PB group on FB)

From what I have gathered, MJ and company like their vehicles. I am not sure what MJ drives, and if it is a convenient vehicle for transporting belongings for a move. I was wondering if he came in his vehicle to pick up LBC, took him to the family member's house, and borrowed a family member's truck or other vehicle with larger capacity? Your questions about vehicles, tow trucks, etc keep making me think.

 

[georgiajean]

Yes, I was thinking MJ might get off work around 7am. Take about 30 minutes (stretched) to get home. 30 minutes is probably plenty of time. Which makes 7:30am a good time to get to his destination. That still leaves 1 1/2 hrs of free time.

Is he the kind of person who would go home and take a shower, or go eat some breakfast or go take a nap? How far away is work from new home and DB apartment? I guess the type of work it is would relate to what he did afterward. A rigorous, high paced job, he might shower. A kick back job, like being a desk clerk at a hotel, he might just go on with his day.

 

[georgiajean]

MJ works nights so he presumable got off work early Tuesday morning and went straight to the apartment. I think in his own car as I can't see him borrowing someone else's car to get to work Monday night.

I also think LE is building a case based on pings. Cell phone pings and traffic or toll survellience camera's. LE may be able to get images to determine if anyone was in the car with MJ or if he was alone and his time that afternoon is accounted for.

I still wonder if they used cadaver dogs or not. Lots of possibilities and it is far too early for LE to have all that data back and be done analyzing it. ETA: It has only been 5 weeks and that kind of forensic info takes months and months. For Example, in California it takes the DOJ 4 months to put together a profile for a UID. I don't see LE being done any sooner than 4 -6 months with analyzing their data, and that is even a short amount of time in the land of forensics.


JMO

Thank you for the "life is not CSI and cases are not solved in between commercial breaks" reminder. It is hard to remember. Especially with so many high profile cases being brought to conclusion very quickly in recent months.

 

[investigate1]

GJ, I'm trying to find the post where DB father said (when he woke up) DB and MJ was at the apt and he questioned the both of them. I want to see the time.

And that morning, when I woke up and Dina was there and the ex- boyfriend was there, I confronted all of them and I said to them, Look, I need to know who has in this home, who has any ties with Phylicia. I said to Dina, You`re a suspect. Mike (ph), you`re a suspect. Everyone`s a suspect. So the cousin had lived there. He says that -- I told him that he was a suspect, as well. So I made them write down a list of people that came through the house, those family members, cousins, with my daughter...

Okay, I see there's no time mentioned

 

[georgiajean]

From the NG transcripts linked above:

DAVID LOHR, CRIME REPORTER: Well, that`s a good question, Jean. He seems to have gone back and forth out of that apartment several times. He was supposedly moving some of his belongings in and out. We have some people who have came to the apartment around 3:00, 3:30. They said they didn`t see anybody there. So you know, when exactly he was last there we don`t know at this point. He claims to be there around 5:00. The sister got home from work around 6:00. So, you know, the timeline`s still sketchy at this point.


Imo, that doesn't say enough to determine what was meant by came to the apartment. IMO, 'came to the apartment and didn't see anyone' could mean we stopped by and no one answered the door bell. The parking lot was almost empty being a week day and we didn't see anyones (being who lived in DB's apt) car there.

I would not take the above info from David Lohr to mean anyone gained access to the apartment at 3pm.

JMO

I agree. Good, good point. I will keep looking for the video I recall of RB talking about this. He originally said that "friends of DB's came by and found the door open and music blaring." with no time associated. Then MJ said HE found it as such when he got there around 5. But then LBC was there when MJ got there and the door/music reference got dropped. And then there is this reference to 3. And I thought RB talked one time and added the 3 pm time to his info.
That slippery eel just keeps squirming, doesn't it?

 

[georgiajean]

GJ, I'm trying to find the post where DB father said (when he woke up) DB and MJ was at the apt and he questioned the both of them. I want to see the time.



Okay, I see there's no time mentioned

NG transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/28/ng.02.html

From Nancy Grace show that aired on Jan. 28. I can't find the video. I am looking.

ETA I can't find a video of it. Maybe someone else has it archived?
RB arrived in BM on Wednesday. Not sure when.

 

[Cubby]

Another new MSM article, not much new.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/02/08/2044830/missing-teens-baltimore-relatives.html

What is conspicuous is the absence of the information about the FB snooping. The timeline the siblings give is a bare bones skeleton that leaves out more than it leaves in.

Why has that disappeared from MSM? Seems like that would be huge, and anyone who was talking to the Barnes siblings would be asking about that?

Or would LE have the ability to say "You may not talk about that FB stuff anymore."

I saw this article earlier and it was almost a verbatim duplicate of one posted from another news site a few posts back.

I agree it is odd the FB snooping info is absent. IMO, it goes back to DB's comment, we aren't focusing on anything negative. I was also a bit taken back that RB said his daughter DB was not aware how many family members she had in Baltimore. However that is not really here nor there other than to indicate perhaps this family wasn't as close as they are trying to portray. I think they are sticking together and sadly have 'retreated' to some extent based on anger verbalized by JS. Sad to see a tragic event is what brought or appears to be bringing this family together.

or perhaps it is just my personal experiences of having known almost all of my grandparents siblings, all of my parents cousins etc etc.

Anyhoo, whatever is dividing the Barnes family from JS must come to a grinding halt yesterday. IMO and that goes for both sides. They need to knock the wall down that has come up between JS and the Barnes and do what is right by Phylicia - period.

(now I sound like my dad, lol)

 

[Cubby]

The RB stuff goes back to his requesting DB provide a list of every person who had been to the apartment since DB and MJ moved in....... not sure we need to rehash that again, (respectfully) other than to say it was provided to LE it was RB's idea and LE has narrowed their list from there.

jmo respectfully.

 

[georgiajean]

The RB stuff goes back to his requesting DB provide a list of every person who had been to the apartment since DB and MJ moved in....... not sure we need to rehash that again, (respectfully) other than to say it was provided to LE it was RB's idea and LE has narrowed their list from there.

jmo respectfully.

Respectfully noted.
I think investigate1 was looking into what time MJ was at the apartment and up on Wednesday. They said he got back to the apartment around 2 am, but not what he did after that (went to sleep? Went to work?)
At least that's why I was looking at it.

 

[investigate1]

NG transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/28/ng.02.html

From Nancy Grace show that aired on Jan. 28. I can't find the video. I am looking.

I'm almost certain LE confiscated any type of major vehicles of the families. They probably thoroughly checked them. Perhaps even had dogs sniff them out as well. If they came back with nothing, MJ would have had to use someone vehicle. Maybe a friend or a vehicle he had access to easily.

I might be way off base but I read somewhere that a couple of ppl in MJ's family work on vehicles. I read on the Find PB group on FB where someone ask questions about working on vehicles. I found that question to be interesting but MJ and the other person didn't give an aswer.

I feel strange saying this but, Maybe a old vehicle that was sitting around being worked on or a vehicle that wasn't important to the family that could have been used for relocating PB.

 

[Cubby]

Respectfully noted.
I think investigate1 was looking into what time MJ was at the apartment and up on Wednesday. They said he got back to the apartment around 2 am, but not what he did after that (went to sleep? Went to work?)
At least that's why I was looking at it.

The 2am would have been early Thursday morning so not sure how that would relate to the day she disappeared other than to determine if MJ had moved into his new place yet or not. Or if he simply was uncomfortable staying there and stayed at a family members.

I also think what RB said about friends coming home and seeing the door unlocked and music loud is the same reference to MJ arriving home and finding the door unlocked. He just did not elaborate because he was likely told NOT to name names or give information which sounds like he is slandering anyone kind of thing. I think the evasiveness was solely based on how they were preped by LE for media appearances.

jmo

 

[investigate1]

Respectfully noted.
I think investigate1 was looking into what time MJ was at the apartment and up on Wednesday. They said he got back to the apartment around 2 am, but not what he did after that (went to sleep? Went to work?)
At least that's why I was looking at it.

Thanks! I thought I read 2am. Wouldn't that be MJ's work time? I'm trying to establish MJ's work time. Or does MJ get off work a different time than what we think?

 

[georgiajean]

The 2am would have been early Thursday morning so not sure how that would relate to the day she disappeared other than to determine if MJ had moved into his new place yet or not. Or if he simply was uncomfortable staying there and stayed at a family members.

I also think what RB said about friends coming home and seeing the door unlocked and music loud is the same reference to MJ arriving home and finding the door unlocked. He just did not elaborate because he was likely told NOT to name names or give information which sounds like he is slandering anyone kind of thing. I think the evasiveness was solely based on how they were preped by LE for media appearances.

jmo

I agree about the freinds coming home being MJ and LBC. I had forgotten I'd said that a few threads back, as well. LOL. YIkes.

As for the 2 am thing, this is what I was thinking. PB went missing Tuesday. After DB got a hold of MJ around 7 pm, they could not reach him for hours. He finally came home after 2 am. That was 2 am Wednesday morning. So I wondered if he got off work and came home once they got a hold of him to let him know PB was gone?
RB arrived sometime Wednesday. I'm trying to track down the time.
JS arrived Thursday.

 

[georgiajean]

I'm almost certain LE confiscated any type of major vehicles of the families. They probably thoroughly checked them. Perhaps even had dogs sniff them out as well. If they came back with nothing, MJ would have had to use someone vehicle. Maybe a friend or a vehicle he had access to easily.

I might be way off base but I read somewhere that a couple of ppl in MJ's family work on vehicles. I read on the Find PB group on FB where someone ask questions about working on vehicles. I found that question to be interesting but MJ and the other person didn't give an aswer.

I feel strange saying this but, Maybe a old vehicle that was sitting around being worked on or a vehicle that wasn't important to the family that could have been used for relocating PB.

Is this information that would already be in and processed, or is LE still waiting for any vehicle stuff to be processed?

And yes, the brothers really liked cars, from what I gathered. MJ, older brother, younger brothers...All liked cars, worked on cars, had jobs in car-related capacities... Hmm, wonder if MJ worked as a Cabbie?

As extensive as the Barnes family is in Bmore, the J family is also quite extensive. There are, IMO, a lot of family homes spread around that could have an empty older car in them... Good thinking!

 

[georgiajean]

Thanks! I thought I read 2am. Wouldn't that be MJ's work time? I'm trying to establish MJ's work time. Or does MJ get off work a different time than what we think?

I guess it would depend on what the job was. What if he worked in a restaurant that closed at 12 and the shift ended at 1? Or if he ran the night desk at a hotel until 12 or 1?

If we consider time zones... MJ was posting on the Find PB pages late. For me, here on pacific time, it was 11, 12... so what is that, east coast time? 2 or 3 am, right?