MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[georgiajean]

Not good, not good at all!!!!!
Everytime I hear or read LE make the statement about the number of people that had access to this apt. it sounds so disgusting to me. This is no kind of way for any young lady to live, especially with a minor such as PB visiting.

Man, I wish I could talk to JS, I would have so many questions and concerns.
Which I am sure she has had an ear full already?

One way of looking at this word "access" just think about how many people have access to your house? No matter how many other people live there, how many actually have access?????

I've been thinking about this. I think that anyone who has kids, or is older (like over 35) would definitely find the number 12, let alone 20, to be quiet high. I am thinking we need some similar situations to look at. So, for comparison, what about the 20-somethings we know?

I rent out a home to three men in their 20's. I would hazard a guess that there are maybe 5 people, at most, who have "access" to the house, besides them. And I am being generous. Of course, their families do not live in the same area, so that makes a difference. Anyone else have a comparable comparison?

And I agree. I would like to talk to JS, and give her support. I feel she is left way out in left field on all of this.

 

[Falconi]

I think I see what you are getting at. I believe "had access to the apartment" means they either had a key, or were close to someone who had a key, and it would not have been unusual for them to be at the apartment or stop by the apartment. That is my opinion, based on what LE has said. Hopefully some more posters will weigh in on this.

Here's another quote from LE:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

And another:
http://annyjacoby.wordpress.com/201...m-baltimore-a-month-ago-police-have-no-leads/

BBM.

I agree with you all. I think that it is very appropriate to hone in on the term "had access to the apartment."

I'm thinking in terms of someone having the right to "pop-up" being the same as "had access."

To think that 25 people "had access to the apartment," makes me cringe. With that much traffic going in and out of a living space, selling comes to mind. IMO

Also, with LE not going out of their way yesterday to say that anyone had been cleared, just who are the players of circumstance?

In fact, LE has stated that "no one person stands out from the others", if I've worded it correctly.

I really hate to go here, but the reality is that when some people hear about drugs, alcohol, and "traffic", they automatically turn off concern.

The people who have placed PB in that environment have done her a huge disservice in more ways imaginable.

Please MSM, don't "punish" PB by not airing her story. It wan't her fault; she was misguided to say the least. Please note her accomplishments at school and her blindingly bright future.

Contrast that with the low-level living that she was surrounded by on her trips to Bmore, but don't incorrectly state that as PB's reality. It wasn't Phylicia's fault! This is a cautionary tale that needs to be told, and the facts have yet to truly be revealed. I shudder to think of what was really going on in that place.

Remember, MJ's own words have been used on here on WS to set the scene, if you will.

By that same token, we must remember what he said on the now defunct Find PB FB page when he said that DB was not telling JS everything that was going on in that apt. MJ called DB a "coward."
Rightly or wrongly he did state that.

The truth is going to be devastating to us, I fear, but we must know it.

We must find Phylicia!

 

[cluciano63]

It totally sounds like a drug apartment to me, the way it is being described as so many people going in and out; not saying it was, but that much traffic is not normal, not even for twenty-somethings. Unless this was truly a "crash pad" and if so, seems as though P would have known this from previous visit and maybe even her mom would have known or found out? Of course, that sort of activity might have been exciting to a teenager at first, but nothing good was going to come out of it.

 

[investigate1]

I remember MJ making a statement while in the find PB fb group (now removed), something like, "DB didn't know what all was going on in THAT apt. (not quoted).

If any of us understand or have seen this way of life, we would classify this apt to be a crash spot and a regular hang out spot for some. (Mainly young men). Although, they threw parties on occasion.

Yes, we can see that it is never a good thing for females to have so many men hanging around. I guess DB and MJ hooked up when they were younger and have been together ever since. To us, the young men look like outsiders but to DB, they are like family to her. They have probably been through a lot together. I'm sure she has probably been there for them and they have probably been there for her at times. Like family.

The regulars that would probably sleep over were probably MJ's people and maybe a close friend of theirs every now and then. That's the way they live. DB probably thought that they would NEVER harm her baby sister. Yes, we know that the living arrangements and illegal drug activity/drinking was WRONG. No doubt.

Imo, I don't think LE wants to arrest anyone at this moment for lighter charges. I think LE wants the shark charge and not a guppy fish charge. Arresting the youngsters on the weed, alcohol charges or distributing to a minor, will not make those youngsters talk about what happened. They would rather deal with those charges (bubble gum charges), than the disappearance of PB.

No matter how we look at it, we know that several young men are responsible and tied to the disappearance of PB. We know of, each of the young men who were hanging around the apt a couple of days b4 the 28th and we can see the young men who were communicating after the 28th. We also can see some of the young men who tweeted so explosively on the day of, the 28th of Dec. In the mix of the young men tweeting (on and off), when ever they got free time, there are a couple of females that tweet as well. One female was upset with the 18yr old and another female was deep into the business of the brothers/family on Dec 28th and one of the brothers were hanging out at her place early morning of the 28th (in the middle of the morning).

I find it strange that PB doesn't have a twitter account being that everyone else does, including her sis (SS). I wonder if any of PB friends can elaborate on that.

 

[cluciano63]

Phylicia was slipping to page two already, even with all of the posts...

 

[georgiajean]

Video MSM report, NBC news
msnbc.com Video Player
The criminal investigator/profiler says, about the 12 men and MJ, in and out of the apartment that week:
"Why aren't they falling all over themselves to help find her?"

Yeah, why aren't they? What do they have to gain by NOT doing everything they can to find her? Very good point.

 

[georgiajean]

I was wrong, the video on on this article (posted earlier) is over 2 min. long. There's audio of JS, recent audio.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27339602/detail.html

 

[sophclown]

The criminal investigator/profiler says, about the 12 men and MJ, in and out of the apartment that week:
"Why aren't they falling all over themselves to help find her?"

Yeah, why aren't they? What do they have to gain by NOT doing everything they can to find her? Very good point.

I have found that only very few people in MJ's camp acknowledge that Phylicia is even missing. Do you know why? I do. IMO

The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
Albert Einstein

So Where is Phylicia Simone Barnes???

 

[investigate1]

I was wrong, the video on on this article (posted earlier) is over 2 min. long. There's audio of JS, recent audio.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/27339602/detail.html

Work it! Thanks.

 

[investigate1]

Absolutely! When a person has done wrong and walk around looking and acting guilty because they KNOW they are, they need to be in jail. That will protect the next person. We already know that neither of the POI's will talk because if they do, everybody will go down who was involved.

I have found that only very few people in MJ's camp acknowledge that Phylicia is even missing. Do you know why? I do. IMO

The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
Albert Einstein

So Where is Phylicia Simone Barnes???

 

[Falconi]

I have found that only very few people in MJ's camp acknowledge that Phylicia is even missing. Do you know why? I do. IMO





The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it.
Albert Einstein

So Where is Phylicia Simone Barnes???

Wonderful points and an excellent quote!

I'd like to pose an abstract question.

Is it reasonable to assume that a person closely associated with a missing person would cut all ties with the person(s) suspected of being involved in the disappearance?

I'd think so.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd find it incredibly peculiar that the person closely associated with the missing person would continue to be online "friends" with the poi(s). This despite there being obvious changes to the online account. Why wouldn't dropping this "friend" be one of the first changes? JMO

Also, it would strike me as odd if this close associate's good friend/best friend- HARDLY EVER mentioned the case of the missing person, but did discuss going out and having fun with the close associate.

I don't know, maybe it's just me.

 

[georgiajean]

Found some interesting things while searching for PB news.
A few blogs have been running frequent posts about her, with good collections of facts and timelines. I didn't see anything new, but good to read.

http://followthemissing.com/2011/02/investigation-phylicia-barne/

Deena admits she was more permissive with the girl than Janice would have liked, and may have let her drink some vodka and take a “few puffs” of marijuana, but denies allowing her to do anything that “would have made her vulnerable.”

Good reminder about this little fact.

http://followthemissing.com/2011/02/phylicia-barnes-abducted/
This includes a timeline which is credited to WS. It remains very accurate, and is a good template for thinking about that day.

http://opalfusionmag.com/2011/01/11/searching-16yearold-teen-phylicia-simone-barnes/

http://opalfusionmag.com/2011/03/05/digging-deeper-closer-phylicia-barnes-case/

http://opalfusionmag.com/2011/03/19/phylicia-barnes-latest-search-efforts-information/

http://opalfusionmag.com/2011/03/27/no-news-on-phylicia-barnes-is-the-suspect-timeline-intentional/

 

[BACH50]

Work it! Thanks.

Thanks Georgiajean,

I finally got around to listening to the newsreel. I really think that LE know what happen, they just need to find her so that they can have the right evidence to charge the POI's in this case.

I think that this search is going to happen in April because they are involving many different levels of LE and in order for it to be effective it has to be done correctly. No that the weather is changing the search can be done differently.

I just wish they were legally able to put more media pressure on the POI's, this would help to jog the publics memory, if it be a POI's co-worker, neighbor, or just a passerby. Somebody had to see or hear something that was not of the norm that day and just not realize how important that could be to this case. There needs to be a way to keep the POI's names and faces out there just as they keep PB's face out there. Sometimes laws don't always help the victim as much as they help the criminal.

 

[georgiajean]

Thanks Georgiajean,

I finally got around to listening to the newsreel. I really think that LE know what happen, they just need to find her so that they can have the right evidence to charge the POI's in this case.

I think that this search is going to happen in April because they are involving many different levels of LE and in order for it to be effective it has to be done correctly. No that the weather is changing the search can be done differently.

I just wish they were legally able to put more media pressure on the POI's, this would help to jog the publics memory, if it be a POI's co-worker, neighbor, or just a passerby. Somebody had to see or hear something that was not of the norm that day and just not realize how important that could be to this case. There needs to be a way to keep the POI's names and faces out there just as they keep PB's face out there. Sometimes laws don't always help the victim as much as they help the criminal.

It is tough. If we were allowed to discuss the POI's in more detail, we could really put some pressure. But so few of them have been named... In all of their social networking stuff, they have all moved on. Clearly PB's sisters DB and KB, meant nothing to this crew, so quickly were they dropped after being "family" for ten years. And PB, as little sister, meant less than nothing, as quickly as she was dismissed and discarded.

It angers me to no end, how shallow and cold hearted some people can be.

 

[georgiajean]

Transcript of what was said on the New Twist Show 3-29-11
http://newtwistshow.com/past.html
This is a Internet radio show.
One of the D.J’s of the show spoke with a retired highly ranking police official from MD. He spoke with the retired officer about PB’s case… 3 DJ’s were in on the conversation. They have some inaccuracies in their facts, but I thought it was interesting to hear, so wanted to share it.
Here’s a transcript of what was said that had to do with PB. It was a short segment, past the half-way mark.

DJ 1--I’m going to call out the B’more PD because they have not been completely honest. They said they have been frustrated by the lack of support they were getting from like the FBI. And how the FBI came in late. But from the source I got that, from the time the girl disappeared, until maybe 2.5 weeks later…like she disappeared just before Christmas…and they didn’t start saying anything until after New Year’s, the BPD was dragging their feet, they did not take the case seriously at all They weren’t looking for clues, they weren’t looking for evidence, they weren’t looking for anything up until the mother started going public on the media talking about it.
DJ 2- And the mother was down south.
DJ 1-The mother was in NC, and the father I believe lives in MD.
DJ 2 See, initially I thought BPD was all over it and they were upset that no one was assisting..
DJ 1- That was they were making it seem, but that was not the case.
DJ 2 It was almost like they didn’t want to do their job, they wanted someone else to do it, so they said they were not being assisted. What is it now? A missing person case? A murder case?
DJ 1 I believe now…They are still looking for the girl, they are trying to keep hope. But they are not getting anything. From what the former officer told me, from the time that the disappearance happened, until the time that they even reacted, they are missing VITAL clues. Very vital clues.
DJ 2 And the sister is probably not helping at all.
DJ 1 Right, sister is very…. very liaise faire
DJ 2 She invited a bunch of dudes over for a gang bang…
DJ 3- Exactly. it definitely wouldn’t have gone down like that, with me and my sis.
DJ 1 And the AREA. He explained to me the area where this happened. You’ve got the complex that is in one place. Directly behind the complex is some railroad tracks, and a subway station. This is a crowded area, a very busy area. And there’s…I think it is… I forget what the area is called but it is some type of shopping plaza out there. In front of the apartment complex you have a Wendy’s, a very popular Wendy’s. And you have a whole shopping plaza, and there was something else.
DJ 2 A place with lots of surveillance cameras there possibly
DJ 1 There’s a lot of surveillance cameras out there. Surveillance cameras only keep video for so long. You know how cheap they are. Supposedly in this very busy area, nobody saw anything. They can’t find anyone who saw anything. This is a very busy area. I said, it sounds like to me she may have never made it out of the building. He said that might be the case, that she never really made it out the building, and then maybe was snuck out the back.
DJ 2 Or killed in the apartment and thrown out in the trash.
DJ 1Something like that. Now, there are some shady characters involved. She was there by herself. Then when she went to…she sent a text message that she was going to get something to eat. Middle of the day, going to get something to eat. Supposedly her boyfriend, or friend of the boyfriend, was supposedly the last person to see her alive… that they know of. But the information I got is that the BPD drug their heels for a couple of weeks on a missing person’s case. They have not found anything.
DJ 3- That’s ridiculous for her to have disappeared in the middle of the day?
DJ 1- I also asked him about girls being kidnapped for purposes of sex slaves or gang initiation. DJ 3- Is it popular there?
DJ 1- He said it is a big problem, throughout the U.S.
(digresses on to the sex trade, Ohio etc.)
DJ 1- That’s the information I got. I’ve wanted to talk to him for a while about it, but I didn’t know if I should or could. Anyway, he offered me some interesting information about BPD not doing anything at all. I really hope she is alright, but there has been no activity on anything she had., no bank card use, etc…
DJ 3- It is sad to say, but that girl is gone.
DJ 1- I hope she is alive. I hate to say…I hope she is still alive, but at that point she may rather be dead. But if she is alive, I hope she can get out alive…
DJ3- I pray she can… Hopefully she is. But you hear and see what is going on, and you think, there can’t be anything good coming out of this.
(They talk about the woman who recently broke free after being held captive for 18 years, and reason for hope).

 

[Falconi]

Thank you so much GeorgiaJean!!

If half of what these folks are saying is true, then this is worse than imaginable.

I would like to see an investigative journalist take this case from the inside out and EXPOSE whatever the heck may or may not be going on in this case.

PB is worth fighting for. I don't see enough viciousness in the hunt for truth. IMO

If the good people over on that FB prayer page were as dogged about finding the truth/finding PB as they are about the posting on that page, we might be somewhere else in this very sad affair.

Someone PLEASE, fight for PB. Don't condemn the public or media because they know the facts. The facts have been laid out by no less than LE. PB is in desperate need of justice.

I don't like the questions that I'm being forced to ask myself.

Why is the fight for finding PB seemingly a one-sided, biased one?

I can't imagine the pain that JS and her side of the family may be going through, but isn't there someone who can speak for her/them?

They ABSOLUTELY need an advocate with a public face in this mess of a case.

I say this with the utmost respect, but I for one am sick and tired of hearing from that one side. It's almost like tolerating propaganda. I say this because whenever, and I mean WHENEVER someone strays from the status quo of that page or asks about JS, the most hideous comments erupt.

I have the screen caps to prove it because just as sure as you see the vitriol one minute, the next it's deleted.

If there have been significant delays in which key evidence may have been lost forever, it needs to be investigated and someone needs to be held accountable.
Also, if someone is trying to turn this tragedy into a money-making enterprise under the guise of something else, that needs to be investigated.

There is no way that the world is just going to sit back and let this "die down." If that's what the poi(s) or any shady character thinks, well then they are sadly mistaken.

PB is worth fighting for.

 

[FrostByte]

Hello all, first I would like to say that I actually listened to the new twist show and to say the least that show was horribly inaccurate on more than a few things. At the beginning the host claimed to have spoken to a former law enforcement official and then go off on things he could have seen here or on any other site concerning PB. He simply used PB's case for pure exploitation. They talked about her for 2 minutes and the show was full of just useless information and terrible jokes. I don't post often but I do lurk and I go off and do a little investigating of my own. To my understnding as it should be to all at this point is that this case has been bungled since the beginning. LE has really dropped the ball on this case. They lost too much time and are trying their best to gather up what they can. They have lost crucial evidence and It hurts me to say this but they may have lost PB and any chance of having concrete evidence to convict the ones involved in her disappearance. I am also troubled by JS lack of involvement regarding the search of her daughter. I feel she is NOT doing enough. What the world needs to see are the tears flowing from the eyes of a mother who is devastated knowing that her child is missing. If the world see that the MOTHER is not caring personally the world and media is thinking why should we? I strongly believe judging by the actions of the POIs that PB may have met her demise in that apartment. LE bungled so badly they are going by whatever was told to them to make the public believe they are on their job when in fact they allowed crucial evidence to get lost! I pray PB is found and that all questions are answered! The sad thing is the more this drags on the more dirt that is being uncovered and the mass media is not going to want to be apart of it and its tragic because PB will suffer because of the sins made by the ones who were responsible for her. Very tragic indeed.

 

[georgiajean]

Hello all, first I would like to say that I actually listened to the new twist show and to say the least that show was horribly inaccurate on more than a few things. At the beginning the host claimed to have spoken to a former law enforcement official and then go off on things he could have seen here or on any other site concerning PB. He simply used PB's case for pure exploitation. They talked about her for 2 minutes and the show was full of just useless information and terrible jokes. I don't post often but I do lurk and I go off and do a little investigating of my own. To my understnding as it should be to all at this point is that this case has been bungled since the beginning. LE has really dropped the ball on this case. They lost too much time and are trying their best to gather up what they can. They have lost crucial evidence and It hurts me to say this but they may have lost PB and any chance of having concrete evidence to convict the ones involved in her disappearance. I am also troubled by JS lack of involvement regarding the search of her daughter. I feel she is NOT doing enough. What the world needs to see are the tears flowing from the eyes of a mother who is devastated knowing that her child is missing. If the world see that the MOTHER is not caring personally the world and media is thinking why should we? I strongly believe judging by the actions of the POIs that PB may have met her demise in that apartment. LE bungled so badly they are going by whatever was told to them to make the public believe they are on their job when in fact they allowed crucial evidence to get lost! I pray PB is found and that all questions are answered! The sad thing is the more this drags on the more dirt that is being uncovered and the mass media is not going to want to be apart of it and its tragic because PB will suffer because of the sins made by the ones who were responsible for her. Very tragic indeed.

I agree the piece is fraught with inaccuracies in the details, like saying she went missing before Christmas, and yes, the show used PB as an audience generating mechanism. However, I want everyone to pick up PB's story, and run it, to keep it out there and keep the pressure on the POI's. I was glad to see that she was on this show, because the more shows that pick her up, the more pressure will be generated. That's one of the reasons I posted it here. I want the POI's to know that media their friends and family might be listening to is focusing on this case. The truth will out.

What I did think was good about this piece was the focus on the kind of vital information that was lost in those early first days. Most of the focus on the delay has been on WHY the delay occurred (Because PB is African American) and who is responsible, instead of on what was lost in the process. There's been so much blame shifting (it's the national media's fault, no, it's the family's fault, no, it's the POI's fault...) that the media sometimes loses focus that regardless of the fault, the result are tragic, and we need to learn an important lesson from this. That could be PB's legacy, perhaps.

 

[Falconi]

I agree the piece is fraught with inaccuracies in the details, like saying she went missing before Christmas, and yes, the show used PB as an audience generating mechanism. However, I want everyone to pick up PB's story, and run it, to keep it out there and keep the pressure on the POI's. I was glad to see that she was on this show, because the more shows that pick her up, the more pressure will be generated. That's one of the reasons I posted it here. I want the POI's to know that media their friends and family might be listening to is focusing on this case. The truth will out.

What I did think was good about this piece was the focus on the kind of vital information that was lost in those early first days. Most of the focus on the delay has been on WHY the delay occurred (Because PB is African American) and who is responsible, instead of on what was lost in the process. There's been so much blame shifting (it's the national media's fault, no, it's the family's fault, no, it's the POI's fault...) that the media sometimes loses focus that regardless of the fault, the result are tragic, and we need to learn an important lesson from this. That could be PB's legacy, perhaps.

BBM

Yes, thank you for posting this GJ, despite the inaccuracies by the presenters. The importance is that PB's name is getting out there, the spotlight is on, and tough questions are being asked.

As you mentioned, this can only bring pressure to the poi(s).

You are absolutely right about the blame-shifting. Here we are, 3+months into the disappearance of the bright light PB, and in the midst of it all, we really are no more closer than we were in the first days of learning about this horrible situation.
We certainly have an important lesson to learn and I hope that we do learn it. PB deserves that and so much more.

I haven't, am not, and will not subscribe to the various baitings that I've seen about why PB may or may not be getting as much coverage as some other cases.

There are people of all races, creeds, and cultures concerned about finding PB.

In the end, it's the people closest to the case who will help or hurt the most. IMO

May they let their conscience be their guide in doing the right thing.

 

[BACH50]

I agree the piece is fraught with inaccuracies in the details, like saying she went missing before Christmas, and yes, the show used PB as an audience generating mechanism. However, I want everyone to pick up PB's story, and run it, to keep it out there and keep the pressure on the POI's. I was glad to see that she was on this show, because the more shows that pick her up, the more pressure will be generated. That's one of the reasons I posted it here. I want the POI's to know that media their friends and family might be listening to is focusing on this case. The truth will out.

What I did think was good about this piece was the focus on the kind of vital information that was lost in those early first days. Most of the focus on the delay has been on WHY the delay occurred (Because PB is African American) and who is responsible, instead of on what was lost in the process. There's been so much blame shifting (it's the national media's fault, no, it's the family's fault, no, it's the POI's fault...) that the media sometimes loses focus that regardless of the fault, the result are tragic, and we need to learn an important lesson from this. That could be PB's legacy, perhaps.

When this case first broke to the media JS was on NG and she was furious about how the local LE in Bmore did not react in a timely manner. She spoke about how they tried to say that PB had ran away, and how she fought to make them understand that she was not a runaway. JS was very upset with Bmore LE. Then in later interviews that she gave to Peas and others she began to say that she was satisfied with the media coverage, and then she just disappeared, and PB had no voice.

This was the most puzzliing thing to me, because I was very impressed with how JS spoke and handled herself when I saw her. I even told my sister that PB's mom is no joke, she reminded me of NH's mom. I thought that this was going to FINALLY be a case of a missing BLACK CHILD with the proper media attention and a mother that would work the media the same way that other WHITE missing children parents do. Yet to my surprise that did not happen?

I know that JS had to move with her family and was not well, however someone from her family like SS (or JS's husband) should have then stepped up and became the spokes person. Just like NH when you didn't see her mother you saw her father. JS really needs to come on NG and HLN regularly. Put the pressure back on the POI's name them all, show their faces. Put the pressure back on the LE let the world know who's doing what and who's not. Put the pressure on her Bmore family like she did in the beginning. JS appears to be a smart and strong woman yet lately things are just not adding up?

Since we can't get the right answers out of DB, KB, RB, and others the public really needs to hear more from JS and SS. Also when JS was on Peas she did not appear to be her strong self, she said that she was medicated and maybe thats why she seemed out of it. Someone close to her needs to help her get back to the strong mother for PB's sake and work the media, because the pressure from the media always makes someone sing. It may be too late for LE to get the evidence that was at the actual crime scene, but someone has a memory and can definitely give an accurate account with enough details to bring about some type of charges and find PB?