MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[cluciano63]

I wonder if anyone has sold or otherwise gotten rid of a car or truck since the holidays...if there was evidence to be had, it may be long gone, if so. I don't know if LE had warrants to search many vehicles right away.

 

[Falconi]

Another day and Phylicia has not yet been found. For all of our speculating, conjecture, and theorizing are we any closer to the truth? I sure hope that LE is.

Also, I hope that Baltimore LE, and Federal LE are inspired by the events in Texas surrounding the missing 13 year-old cheerleader Hailey Dunn. Poor Hailey went missing around the same time as Phylicia. NO ONE is above the law, and if anyone, I repeat ANYONE is obstructing justice in the case of missing PB--LOCK THEM UP!

The answers just may start to flow then.

JMO

 

[georgiajean]

On PB's prayer page, a commenter noted that a friend of PB's said PB commented on a picture of her on Dec 28, just after 11 am.
I will add that to the timeline.

I sure wish we could have access to PB's facebook page. I imagine we could work on a lot of angles from there...

 

[investigate1]

Great comment!!! So very true.

Another day and Phylicia has not yet been found. For all of our speculating, conjecture, and theorizing are we any closer to the truth? I sure hope that LE is.

Also, I hope that Baltimore LE, and Federal LE are inspired by the events in Texas surrounding the missing 13 year-old cheerleader Hailey Dunn. Poor Hailey went missing around the same time as Phylicia. NO ONE is above the law, and if anyone, I repeat ANYONE is obstructing justice in the case of missing PB--LOCK THEM UP!

The answers just may start to flow then.

JMO

 

[investigate1]

Thanks GJ!!! Maybe some kind of way we can see what we can access. It might take a minute though. Regardless to how short or long it takes, it might be able to be done. I know I'm going to try my best! It feels good to see that some people in the world still care. Many of us have our own children that we are raising or have raised. I'm treating PB's case as if she's my family. I see other people here care as well. I agree when Falconi says,
I repeat ANYONE is obstructing justice in the case of missing PB--LOCK THEM UP!

The answers just may start to flow then. and thank you GJ for not giving up and for working endlessly. Thank you to everyone who is assisting in this case.

On PB's prayer page, a commenter noted that a friend of PB's said PB commented on a picture of her on Dec 28, just after 11 am.
I will add that to the timeline.

I sure wish we could have access to PB's facebook page. I imagine we could work on a lot of angles from there...

 

[Falconi]

On PB's prayer page, a commenter noted that a friend of PB's said PB commented on a picture of her on Dec 28, just after 11 am.
I will add that to the timeline.

I sure wish we could have access to PB's facebook page. I imagine we could work on a lot of angles from there...

Thanks for alerting us to that, GJ! I don't know...
I'm feeling some kind of way about this new information. It seems like this would've been addressed much earlier in the investigation.

I hate to say that it's almost like an afterthought, but after nearly 3 months of a missing PB, with her FB page locked? and private, one would think that the smallest detail would've been traced with a fine tooth comb. :banghead:

JMO

 

[Falconi]

Thanks GJ!!! Maybe some kind of way we can see what we can access. It might take a minute though. Regardless to how short or long it takes, it might be able to be done. I know I'm going to try my best! It feels good to see that some people in the world still care. Many of us have our own children that we are raising or have raised. I'm treating PB's case as if she's my family. I see other people here care as well. I agree when Falconi says,
I repeat ANYONE is obstructing justice in the case of missing PB--LOCK THEM UP!

The answers just may start to flow then. and thank you GJ for not giving up and for working endlessly. Thank you to everyone who is assisting in this case.

Here, Here Investigate1!!!!
I agree totally. PB has become like family and she's bringing a whole lot of people together who wish nothing more than to have her home safe and sound with her family. We want to see her graduate, and receive all the great things that she was on her way to receiving when she was so tragically taken away.

By the same token, there is a need to make sure that a fair measure of justice is handed out to those responsible for the disappearance of PB.
-Bar None-

 

[georgiajean]

Hear hear. Here.

We MUST keep pushing forward. We MUST seek out new information, and keep looking at the old information more closely and through different eyes.

I just saw posted on the prayer FB page that DB is getting death threats.

Does anyone know how we can get information to the detectives working this case? In the off chance that they have not thought about things we have come up with? I realize that is a very slim chance, because they are the detectives, and do this for a living. But maybe, just maybe we have tracked something down that would be helpful? Or does anyone know if any detectives have been reading this thread all along?

 

[Falconi]

Hear hear. Here.

We MUST keep pushing forward. We MUST seek out new information, and keep looking at the old information more closely and through different eyes.
I just saw posted on the prayer FB page that DB is getting death threats.

Does anyone know how we can get information to the detectives working this case? In the off chance that they have not thought about things we have come up with? I realize that is a very slim chance, because they are the detectives, and do this for a living. But maybe, just maybe we have tracked something down that would be helpful? Or does anyone know if any detectives have been reading this thread all along?

BBM
Once again, thank you GJ and Hear, Hear!! Please pardon the wrong Here, Here, earlier . :blushing:

Absolutely! We must keep pressing because PB deserves as much and more. For us to go silent would be exactly what the guilty would want. We cannot allow that to happen.

As far as getting in contact with LE, I'm not sure what would be the most effective.

I vehemently hope that LE is reading every line, development, regression, oddity, and insight of this thread. With the same vigor, I would hope that they've already formulated their case and are gathering evidence to seal the conviction/s.

~PB, We're thinking of you.~

 

[georgiajean]

BBM
Once again, thank you GJ and Hear, Hear!! Please pardon the wrong Here, Here, earlier . :blushing:

Absolutely! We must keep pressing because PB deserves as much and more. For us to go silent would be exactly what the guilty would want. We cannot allow that to happen.

As far as getting in contact with LE, I'm not sure what would be the most effective.

I vehemently hope that LE is reading every line, development, regression, oddity, and insight of this thread. With the same vigor, I would hope that they've already formulated their case and are gathering evidence to seal the conviction/s.

~PB, We're thinking of you.~

Yes, yes, yes!!!! No silence here. And please, LE, please keep working on PB's behalf. I know you know more than you are letting the public know, and I know you have reasons for this. Please, please don't let this go quietly into any dark night. Keep the light shining for PB.

(And I definitely was not pointing out any error you made. I was trying to say we need to be doing a lot of hearing, right here. So no pardons necessary, or implied!)

 

[Cubby]

Hi everyone - Glad to see the continued discussion on Phylicia's case. While I haven't been posting much (busy with real life) I am trying to read all of the posts and checking the news daily. Some excellent discussion and sleuthing! No doubt this group of loyal posters are here for the long haul until Phylicia is found!
Welcome to all the newbies as well! :welcome:

I'd like to make a few comments. IF something occured in the apartment accidentally why not call 911? Why the need to hide it?

I noticed upthread some comments were made about Phylicia only being 16 and the age of consent. This came up in one of the earlier threads so I'll add it again.

In Maryland, the age of consent to have sex is 16. Any two people over the age of 16 may consent to have sex with each other, regardless of any age disparity between them.

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/maryland-age-of-consent-lawyers.html


There may have been contributing to the delinquency of a minor with drugs, alcohol heck or even cigarettes, but then again, why the need to cover up? Why the need to disappear Phylicia?

Not a day goes by that I don't think of Phylicia and pray she is located and brought home to her family.

Keep up the excellent sleuthing and discussion!

Cubby

 

[cluciano63]

I was not aware 16 was the age of consent in Maryland. But I would imagine most older teens and young men are aware of that. If that is the case, then this probably was not about sex alone, although it could be to cover up a rape, which is never legal of course.

Still, it makes me lean more toward an accident that was covered up, which might involve drugs. We've seen other cases when people leave a friend to die or already dead, to avoid being in the mix when the body is found. If she posted on a friend's FB at 11am in a normal way, she was probably not drugged at that point. So what happened in a few short hours??

 

[georgiajean]

We know that PB was on the computer and her phone until 12:23, according to DB and MJ.
We do not know what LE has verified with phone pings and records.
We know that DB asked PB to look at stuff on FB, and MJ said PB was on FB.
We know that after she texted DB at 12:23, she did not contact anyone else.
Of course, that text could have been someone else posing as PB.

The last phone contact with DB was, I believe, 11:30. I need to go back and check. But I think we had determined that something happened between 11:30 and 12:30.


As for why the parties involved would not call 911 if an accident occurred, that actually makes a lot of sense to me. If you grow up in a community/family/sub-culture that does not trust LE, and if you regularly see family and friends taken down by LE (irregardless of whether the reasons are legitimate), you are going to grow up not trusting LE, and believing that you are going to get the wrong treatment, no matter how innocent you are. I can see that mind set, and see that perspective playing out with this group.

Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case with this group of LE, and this group of POI's. They have not been drug in on trumped up charges. They have not been named in the media. They have not been accused of anything, publicly. Seems like they have been treated pretty decently. Too bad they didn't realize that was how it was going to play out from the beginning. Would have saved everyone a lot of grief and anxiety if they had come forward immediately to get help.

Of course, that's assuming it was an accident. I'm 50/50 on whether it was an accident or a purposeful harm.

 

[cluciano63]

The reason I think an accident, or at least an unplanned act such as hitting P too hard or something like that, is possible is because MJ, especially, since he was in the process of moving out, would know that LE might not believe it was not on purpose. They might think he was acting out of some sort of revenge about the end of the relationship, or having to move. And if someone else was there as well, i.e. cousin, then I can easily see them panicking, huddling, tossing out suggestions and ideas, etc. and thinking no one will ever believe it was not on purpose.

And then once the case gained steam, it was too late, in their minds, to try to explain what happened. They locked themselves into a story, did the prick-your-finger blood brothers thing we did as kids, or whatever, and swore to stick to their stories. If so, I'm sure they are sweating big time every single day, as they should be, for depriving P's family of having her to put to rest. But I'm not sure we will ever really know for sure unless she is found, and even then, only if the location can be linked back to someone.

(This is all supposition, obviously, but I can totally see it happening.)

 

[georgiajean]

The reason I think an accident, or at least an unplanned act such as hitting P too hard or something like that, is possible is because MJ, especially, since he was in the process of moving out, would know that LE might not believe it was not on purpose. They might think he was acting out of some sort of revenge about the end of the relationship, or having to move. And if someone else was there as well, i.e. cousin, then I can easily see them panicking, huddling, tossing out suggestions and ideas, etc. and thinking no one will ever believe it was not on purpose.

And then once the case gained steam, it was too late, in their minds, to try to explain what happened. They locked themselves into a story, did the prick-your-finger blood brothers thing we did as kids, or whatever, and swore to stick to their stories. If so, I'm sure they are sweating big time every single day, as they should be, for depriving P's family of having her to put to rest. But I'm not sure we will ever really know for sure unless she is found, and even then, only if the location can be linked back to someone.

(This is all supposition, obviously, but I can totally see it happening.)

I can definitely see this as a possible scenario.
They all may be sweating, but they are sure putting on a good front of not being concerned at all. But the truth will catch up to them eventually. Seeing the big turns in Bob Harrod's case this week give me hope.

 

[BACH50]

According to LE and the investigation no foul play occured inside the apt.
I think when PB left the apt. she thought she was going to get something to eat.

I also think that this was a rape case, that may have involved drugs or alcohol, or simply more than one person forcing themselves sexually on PB.

Thus making this a crime, and MJ and family members that were possibly involves don't want a rape case nor kidnapping case against them.

Taking her further than getting food without her agreeing makes it kidnap.
Forcing her to have sex is rape.
Keeping her against her will is also kidnap.

I really think they thought that she was going to agree to the sex, and they did not know that she was not comfortable with them making a pass previously. Thats why I wish her older sister from JS would talk and let the public know exactly what PB told her.

However I do believe that she spoke with LE and that LE knows everything that occured on PB Myspace, FB, Twitter, and Texting. I am sure they have a team that has went over all of these timelines of communication as well.
They most likely have the computer that PB was using as evidence as well.

 

[all4justice]

The reason I think an accident, or at least an unplanned act such as hitting P too hard or something like that, is possible is because MJ, especially, since he was in the process of moving out, would know that LE might not believe it was not on purpose. They might think he was acting out of some sort of revenge about the end of the relationship, or having to move. And if someone else was there as well, i.e. cousin, then I can easily see them panicking, huddling, tossing out suggestions and ideas, etc. and thinking no one will ever believe it was not on purpose.

And then once the case gained steam, it was too late, in their minds, to try to explain what happened. They locked themselves into a story, did the prick-your-finger blood brothers thing we did as kids, or whatever, and swore to stick to their stories. If so, I'm sure they are sweating big time every single day, as they should be, for depriving P's family of having her to put to rest. But I'm not sure we will ever really know for sure unless she is found, and even then, only if the location can be linked back to someone.

(This is all supposition, obviously, but I can totally see it happening.)

I am a lurker who rarely posts but I've been following this case with much interest. Your scenario is quite plausible, and if true, suggests that the wrongdoer(s) do have a conscience. Hopefully, the authorities will keep Phylicia's story in the news so that the guilty parties (or others who really know what happened) can be consumed by guilt and be moved to come forward. Phylicia is such a beautiful girl with so much promise. It's the least that should be done for her. MOO

 

[fleur.de.lis]

... MJ ex of DB. His full name has not been posted in MSM, but we were given mod. permission to look at his info...

(Respectfully snipped by me.) Should be updated as he has been named at least once by MSM. From People magazine: "The last person believed to have seen her, Michael Johnson, 27, who was Deena's live-in boyfriend at the time, told a family member that when he left the apartment at 1:30 p.m. Phylicia was napping and planned to go out for food."

Jill Smolowe, "What Happened to Phylicia Barnes?" People Magazine, February 14, 2011. http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20463912,00.html

 

[georgiajean]

(Respectfully snipped by me.) Should be updated as he has been named at least once by MSM. From People magazine: "The last person believed to have seen her, Michael Johnson, 27, who was Deena's live-in boyfriend at the time, told a family member that when he left the apartment at 1:30 p.m. Phylicia was napping and planned to go out for food."

Jill Smolowe, "What Happened to Phylicia Barnes?" People Magazine, February 14, 2011. http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20463912,00.html

I had not seen that. Very interesting. Thank you for posting.

All I knew is that LE has not named him in a single press interview/press release, and family has gone out of their way to not name him. The Barnes family has called him "Mike" in the Peas Interviews, I think 2 times. But JS, PB's mom, used his full name in several interviews she did.
So I guess I should have said "LE has not named him".

 

[sophclown]

I guess I could call myself a lurker. I have been searching endlessly to find anything that could help find Phylicia. This case has comsumed me. Each day I wake up hoping this is the day that Phylicia has been found. However, each day passes and nothing as yet. I grew up and lived in Baltimore for over 30 years. It has it's problems as all big cities do but is full of many good people as well. On Dec 28, 2010 I do not believe that Phylicia ever walked to the Reisterstown Rd Shopping Center. If so, someone would have seen her walking down the street. That leads me to believe that she was taken from the apartment and put into a car in the parking lot. LE did not find any evidence of foul play in the apartment and so this leads me to believe that Phylicia was enticed away from the apartment by MJ and his cohorts. I can tell you that this is not a stranger abduction. IMO! I do not believe it was an accident. I think that MJ knew what he was going to do before he left the apartment and that he had help from one of his family members. MJ wanted to get back at DB. I also do not believe that DB or KB knows what happened to Phylicia. But they do know who took her from the apartment, after the fact. The MJ family knows what happened. They also have access to many cars that perhaps that LE never got to process as a crime scene. I have closely examined all the info on the Internet on that family. I continue to look daily. I think that it is strange that not on person in the famliy mentions Phylicia being missing. They have swept it under the rug in hopes that Phylicia's story will go away. I, as many other people, will never let that happen. I pray that some evidence will come forward so that Phylicia's family will know and that the perps will go to prison for a long time!!! I look, listen, and pray for Phylicia's and her family every single day! I will never stop!