MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, Baltimore, 28 Dec 2010 #5

[georgiajean]

I have read so many blogs and other reports on this case, that I can't remember all the sources. However everything that I read about LE and foul play (in my understanding of foul play) leads me to believe that they LE don't believe nor have any evidence that foul play occured in the apt. Not to say that foul play did not happen at all.

PB left the apt. with a coat on and other items such as her purse and phone. The big dog was there, and remained there. Given this much information makes me believe that there was no foul play in the apt. even though LE has not ruled it out completely.

When a crime as such happens there are some type of forensics, DNA, at the scene of the crime, somewhere. Even if MJ has cleaned up the apt. he still would not have been able to clean up all of the DNA etc. Also they would have been able to tell if the dog had been under any distress of any kind, due to any foul play that would have occured.

As far as MJ not going to work that night, I still can't remember where I heard it from. But my memory keeps going back to that Peas interview with DB. I have not listened to it anymore. Maybe I need to listen to it again and find the exact spot, but I have been very busy so I don't have a lot of time to research this case the way I did when it first happen.

GJ when MJ was on FB saying that he had work to do, was it the night of the 28th? Also he could have had long periods where he was taken care of the situation and saying that the work to do was really dealing with the PB situation???? MJ finally being reachable around 1:15am doesn't mean that he was at work. If he wanted DB and others to think that he was at work would he not have followed the same routine as if he was at work?

Check out some of RB interviews as well, and JS's but I still thought that it came from DB saying that MJ didn't go to work that night.

The MJ posting on Find PB facebook was long after the 28th. It was when he was telling his side of the story.

I don't think the facts (at least as I understand them) point directly to MJ being at work. And they don't point to him directly not being at work. I assume LE knows, and the family knows. But I definitely don't know.

I do remember someone posted on here saying MJ didn't go to work, but I don't remember who it was. I believe it was a local person, but they haven't been verified in order to give inside information.

I know what you mean about reading so much stuff and not knowing where it comes from. My rule of thumb is, If it doesn't have a source, and it isn't my opinion, I try and find a source. I'll keep hunting...

 

[georgiajean]

Another prayer vigil for PB has come and gone, with no media coverage whatsoever. I am hoping for something tonight.

Those who are responsible may think the interest and focus is subsiding, and they may be off the hook soon.

Think again.

Where is PB?
What has the fallout been from the detective getting fired?
Who is in charge now?
How has that changed the investigation?
What is LE doing right now, today, in the search for LE?
MSM, please mention PB today.

 

[sophclown]

In reviewing the 3rd Peas interview, I realized KB said that she lived 10 minutes away from DB's apartment at the time.
I remember we'd been wondering about that. We knew how long it took approximately to get from D.C. to the apartment, but not how convenient KB's place was to DB's...


The only reference to MJ regarding the evening/night of the 28th is that DB heard back from him at 6:11.
There is no reference to MJ not working that night.

Any other ideas for sources? I think this is important, knowing if he was working or not. It's also important that DB heard back from him at 6:11. Then he got back to the house after 1 am.

After doing much researching last night and today without much luck of finding where I heard that MJ did not work on December 28, 2010 I talked to a very wonderful lady at Peasintheirpods,today.They do not have transcripts of those shows on Blog Talk Radio because it is too expensive. She thought that it was the Nancy Grace Show that she had heard that MJ did not work on December 28th, 2010. After looking, chatting, searching for the answer she told me to hold on and she called a close relative of DB's and asked Did MJ work on December 28, 2010 and the answer was no he did not work. I know that it has to be verified by MSM and I will continue to find it. I just wanted you all to know that the answer is NO, MJ called off that night. If you need to delete this post that is fine. I'm sorry if I made a mistake by posting this.
I have been working on Phylicia's case all day and will continue to do so tonight. I also want you all to know that the Barnes family are wonderful people. All they want is to know where Phylicia is! They will never give up trying to find Phylicia and neither will I! There are many people that are working to solve this case both in Law Enforcement , the Guardian Angels and others. Please keep Phylicia and her family in your thoughts and prayers!

 

[investigate1]

Thank you for all the loyal and dedicated work and effort that you have put into finding out that information sophclown. Every missing piece of this puzzle needs to be put together. Indeed we need facts, as detailed as possible. It would be nice to hear something, anything about the phone pings etc...LE always asks for the public's assistance but it seems like with some cases they release more details than other cases. It's strange to me that LE hasn't released certain details such as the phone pings in PB's case.

LE already knows that the public knows who was the last to see PB inside of the apt. The person has already admitted that he was alone with PB up until a certain time of the day, in the afternoon of Dec 28th. It has already been stated (people who were in the apt) on that day. At least release those pings. Including this so called LBC. Release his pings too. LE can release his pings without releasing his name

 

[georgiajean]

After doing much researching last night and today without much luck of finding where I heard that MJ did not work on December 28, 2010 I talked to a very wonderful lady at Peasintheirpods,today.They do not have transcripts of those shows on Blog Talk Radio because it is too expensive. She thought that it was the Nancy Grace Show that she had heard that MJ did not work on December 28th, 2010. After looking, chatting, searching for the answer she told me to hold on and she called a close relative of DB's and asked Did MJ work on December 28, 2010 and the answer was no he did not work. I know that it has to be verified by MSM and I will continue to find it. I just wanted you all to know that the answer is NO, MJ called off that night. If you need to delete this post that is fine. I'm sorry if I made a mistake by posting this.
I have been working on Phylicia's case all day and will continue to do so tonight. I also want you all to know that the Barnes family are wonderful people. All they want is to know where Phylicia is! They will never give up trying to find Phylicia and neither will I! There are many people that are working to solve this case both in Law Enforcement , the Guardian Angels and others. Please keep Phylicia and her family in your thoughts and prayers!

Thank you very much.

In case you hadn't seen them, I have done transcripts of all the Peas shows. They are here on the thread, upthread. I'll see if I can quickly find them and post links here. Otherwise, I will just post them again in their entirety. They are long though.

ETA found them, posted below

 

[georgiajean]

Peas Interview 1 (notes) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6029522&highlight=peas+pods#post6029522

Peas Interview 2 (notes) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28-Dec-2010 - #1


Peas Interview 3 (transcript) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28-Dec-2010 - #2


Peas Interview 4 (transcript) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6105955&highlight=peas+pods#post6105955

Peas Interview 5 (transcript) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28 December 2010 - #4

 

[investigate1]

Always awesome work. Much appreciated. Thanks a bunch GJ.

Peas Interview 1 (notes) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6029522&highlight=peas+pods#post6029522

Peas Interview 2 (notes) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28-Dec-2010 - #1


Peas Interview 3 (transcript) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28-Dec-2010 - #2


Peas Interview 4 (transcript) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6105955&highlight=peas+pods#post6105955

Peas Interview 5 (transcript) Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MD MD - Phylicia Barnes, 16, believed abducted in Baltimore, 28 December 2010 - #4

 

[BACH50]

Thanks Sophclown,
Maybe I heard it on the NG show, but I know it was originally stated from someone in the Barnes camp. Not sure when, but early on in the first couple of weeks it was stated that MJ called off of work that day.

I am so glad to hear that the Barnes family along with LE and the GA's are still diligently working this case. This makes me believe that a break will come soon.
"Seek and you shall find" is what the Bible says, and as long as we keep praying things will happen in God's "on time" time.

Also, maybe its a good thing that they haven't arrested anyone, because LE may believe that if they give them an inch and they take a yard they will most definitely hang themselves. I think MJ and his family think that it will go away and that their story is so tight and solid, however slip-ups happen when one least expects them to.

 

[sophclown]

Thanks so much to each one of you for all that you do for Phylicia! I have learned so much from each of you. And that my friends, is what it is all about! The notes that you took Georgiajean are wonderful! I read all of them over and over and then I brainstorm. My heart does not beat fast enough but my brain is still working quite nicely. LOL! I think there are reasons that LE is not releasing to much right now because they to are trying to put the pieces in order to find the perp! Since the evidence is limited and there is no crime scene LE is keeping some information from all of us. I'm not sure why MJ's name and face is not let out to the public. I feel that since he was the last person to see Phylicia that LE should let people see his face and name that I think could jog someone's memory about the day that Phylicia went missing. It seems to me like MJ is being protected for some reason. But why???? I pray that someone leads LE or the Guardian Angels will soon to some type of evidence or leads them to the person and or persons we know took Phylicia. I think someone will come forward it's just a matter of time that someone is going to spill the beans. I feel it, however, it seems like forever to us and Phylicia's friends and loved ones for the information to come forward. I pray that person will soon get a backbone and start letting everyone who loves this beautiful young lady to lead her home.

 

[Falconi]

Thanks for that information/link, Frostbyte!

I'll be back with my thoughts on the Pat Brown FB page/thread comments, but for now I just wanted to share this letter:


Letter to the GUILTY:


Oh, how you diminished a life.

Yet, for all of your craftiness you will be brought low.

Conspire in the dark and make merry in the light?

Phylicia's life is a light that cannot be hidden eternally. She will emit LIGHT.

Did you think that she could be tossed like the waste that you reek of?

No matter how far the shell of her may be, she shines for all the world to see.

Subtle ones, you cannot wash your hands but you can release.

Tell.

Reveal and preserve your own light.





**THOUGHTS on Criminal Profiler Pat Brown's FB Page**

This is so incredibly sad!!!!!
Like some others here, I've been on the fence, thinking that
PB's disappearance was either accident or intentional. However,
for the most part, I've leaned towards accident.

Reading the credible viewpoint of Pat Brown, I now believe that
PB's disappearance was completely intentional and that she was
the victim of a predator(s).

If you look at the first comment made by Pat in response to the
question about the PB case and who may or may not be under
the radar, Pat's last sentence is completely telling.

Pat says hopefully there can be justice for PB so that the perp(s)
can be put away and no one else has to suffer the same fate by the
person(s).

IMO, that is HUGE.

If this was an accident, then it would be an isolated incident and
there would be no "fear" of this happening again. ? Pat's statement
seems indicative that a predator(s) needs to be caught and brought to justice.

PB and her family have suffered enough!
Someone please come forward with the TRUTH.

 

[FrostByte]

Hello everyone. I rarely post but I do lurk on this thread as well as others pertaining to the Phylicia Barnes Case. Criminal Profiler Pat Brown answered a very interesting question To go along with Falconi's post here is the link:

http://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...0&_ft_aoi=387068190642&_ft_time_ft=1300967900

 

[georgiajean]

New "missing person" post on Peas in Their Pods blog
http://peasintheirpods.bravejournal.com/
No new info, but good to find something newly posted.

New article in Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ltimore-police/2011/03/16/AB1LZTSB_story.html

HUGE:

Deena Barnes said that the night before Phylicia disappeared, Dec. 27, they had returned home from her job in the early evening.
Her ex-boyfriend and former roommate, his 16-year-old brother and his 21-year-old cousin, who is also a roommate, were at the apartment, she said.

Also HUGE:

When Deena Barnes left for work the next morning at 8:45, Phylicia was asleep in a bedroom they were sharing. The ex-boyfriend went to the apartment that morning to pick up his brother. Phylicia texted her later that he was there and doing laundry. Barnes exchanged texts with Phylicia and her ex-boyfriend and had at least one phone call with Phylicia. But just after noon, Phylicia stopped responding. to texts and calls went to voice mail. At 1:04 p.m., the ex-boyfriend texted her that Phylicia was sleeping and had told him she later planned “to go get something to eat.”
Phylicia often went to the food court at Reisterstown Plaza across the street,
Barnes said, but police found no evidence that she had been there. Barnes said she returned home from work at 6 p.m. and, after making a round of calls to find Phylicia, contacted police at 7:30 p.m.

 

[georgiajean]

So MJ, DB, and cousin (Either KJ or WJ, I'll need to go check ages) lived at the apartment. Little brother (16 yr old) spent the night. MJ probably worked that night, and came in the morning to pick lilbro up.

The references I've found on social networking sites about people hanging at the cousin's crib now make more sense, because it was ALSO DB's crib. I gotta go back and read my notes again.

How many bedrooms did this apartment have?
I can see why DB moved out after PB disappeared, if the cousin lived there, too.

 

[Sun48shine]

Okay, thank you for the reference to the Peas interviews. I transcribed them all, so it is easy for me to go check to see what was said about MJ and work. I'll post after I've checked.

Meanwhile, Trying to put myself in the possible mindset of an (ex)boyfriend moving out of an apartment...

If I was moving, and needed to be out by the end of the month....
And it is the 28th, with three days left of the month...
And I am in the final stages of moving...
I can see where I might do laundry before moving, so everything I was moving was clean.
Especially if the place I was moving in to didn't have a laundry (I have no idea, but maybe it did, maybe it didn't).
Especially if it's been a busy month, with all the holidays.
Especially if I didn't really give a hoot about PB.

I can also see someone putting the move off until the last few days, especially if they were hoping to get back together and keep the double-timing, two-timing, pimp-style life going.

Can someone explain to me why a 27 year old would be at all interested in a 16 year old? When he has a girlfriend (or two) already?

Hello All,
The apartments that MJ and his girlfriend lived in has a laundry area. It was located at 4 West Bend Ct Apt B Woodlawn, MD 21244
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=4 W BEND CT APT B&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

 

[BACH50]

New "missing person" post on Peas in Their Pods blog
http://peasintheirpods.bravejournal.com/
No new info, but good to find something newly posted.

New article in Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ltimore-police/2011/03/16/AB1LZTSB_story.html

HUGE:


Also HUGE:

So if on the evening of the 27th, Lil B, cousn (who lived there) and MJ were there what happen to cousin on the 28th. Did DB leave PB with both Lil B and cousin on the morning of the 28th. If so that was not a very smart thing to do. Wake her up and make her go with you no matter how sleepy she may have been. I wonder if the cousin is the same one who PB told had made a pass at her? Sounds like he could have been the one?

I don't think I would take a shower with three males in the apt. especially if one had made a prior sexual advance at me. Poor PB she never had a chance.
If I were LE I would definitely check with all 3 of these males past relationships or any females that they may have come into contact with. Because one if not more of them is a predotar just like Pat Brown said on FB. I am really leaning toward rape as the motive now?????

Why isn't anyone saying that both MJ and cousin were the last ones there who saw PB. When did cousin exit the apt.? Those 3 POI's are definitely the ones that if I were LE, I would stay on their trail. Because one of them will slip-up soon, whether it be a traffice ticket or any unlawful contact with LE. They will then want to plea out and that is when they will start singing like a bird. It make take awhile but if they are responsible for this crime then they will most definitely do something again because they think that they have gotten away with this one.

Now I know why MJ told the lies that he told, because he thought that DB would believe him if he said that PB mentioned going to get something to eat. Because it was common for her to do. However one thing that MJ didn't realize is that PB would have let DB, and KB know that she was going, and her scent would have been picked-up and she would have showed up on the cameras. Some type of communication would have been made by PB if she was leaving that house alone. I still think she would have also taken the dog as well. Also I can't see PB going out alone to get something to eat while other people were there at the apt. that would not only offer to go with her but take her as well????? Why would she wait until she was alone to get something to eat, and how could she have asleep and getting something to eat all at the same time. KB not stopping by the apt. really makes me wonder, and makes me sad. If only.........?

MJ thinks he really knows how to lie and cover this one up but little does he know "THE WATER ALWAYS RISES TO THE TOP". I just pray that it is sooner than later.

 

[georgiajean]

So if on the evening of the 27th, Lil B, cousn (who lived there) and MJ were there what happen to cousin on the 28th. Did DB leave PB with both Lil B and cousin on the morning of the 28th. If so that was not a very smart thing to do. Wake her up and make her go with you no matter how sleepy she may have been. I wonder if the cousin is the same one who PB told had made a pass at her? Sounds like he could have been the one?

I don't think I would take a shower with three males in the apt. especially if one had made a prior sexual advance at me. Poor PB she never had a chance.
If I were LE I would definitely check with all 3 of these males past relationships or any females that they may have come into contact with. Because one if not more of them is a predotar just like Pat Brown said on FB. I am really leaning toward rape as the motive now?????

Why isn't anyone saying that both MJ and cousin were the last ones there who saw PB. When did cousin exit the apt.? Those 3 POI's are definitely the ones that if I were LE, I would stay on their trail. Because one of them will slip-up soon, whether it be a traffice ticket or any unlawful contact with LE. They will then want to plea out and that is when they will start singing like a bird. It make take awhile but if they are responsible for this crime then they will most definitely do something again because they think that they have gotten away with this one.

Now I know why MJ told the lies that he told, because he thought that DB would believe him if he said that PB mentioned going to get something to eat. Because it was common for her to do. However one thing that MJ didn't realize is that PB would have let DB, and KB know that she was going, and her scent would have been picked-up and she would have showed up on the cameras. Some type of communication would have been made by PB if she was leaving that house alone. I still think she would have also taken the dog as well. Also I can't see PB going out alone to get something to eat while other people were there at the apt. that would not only offer to go with her but take her as well????? Why would she wait until she was alone to get something to eat, and how could she have asleep and getting something to eat all at the same time. KB not stopping by the apt. really makes me wonder, and makes me sad. If only.........?

MJ thinks he really knows how to lie and cover this one up but little does he know "THE WATER ALWAYS RISES TO THE TOP". I just pray that it is sooner than later.

I've gone back and looked at my notes from what I have gleaned from the 27th and 28th. It looks like the cousin was at work by 9. So when PB took her shower, she was alone, since she got up and took her shower after MJ came and got the younger brother. (DB left PB in the house alone with the younger brother, if she left for work at 8:45) When PBgot out of the shower, imagine her surprise to see MJ back again.

DB and KB said PB texted and phoned them after she got out of the shower, which was after MJ returned and was doing laundry. If not for those phone calls, I would have said things went bad earlier. But the phone communication was around 11. That coincides with PB's posting a comment on a friend's photo around 11.

 

[Falconi]

Thank you, GJ!!!

The truth is getting nearer.

Why in the world has it taken nearly three months for the mystery of lbc to be cleared up?

Also, I don't understand why the next search for PB being in two weeks. I just don't understand any of this.

I'm flabbergasted that PB was allowed to jaunt out to the Reisterstown Plaza alone for food. She's not a native of the city and she's not an adult.
Yet and still, it seems like ground zero is the apartment itself, sadly.

Once it was known that PB was in that apartment alone, the predator(s) knew how to keep db and kb away in order to accomplish their foul deed.

I only wish that one of them had come back for PB or at least demanded to speak with her rather than accept mj's briefing and PB's unanswered calls/texts.

I sincerely hope that arrests are in the pipeline.

-JMO-

 

[georgiajean]

Sadly, the cousin who has posted caring messages about PB is not the one who was living at the apartment.

Someone knows something. There are too many people connected to the apartment.

Why won't someone speak up, and end this search?

 

[BACH50]

Also if MJ was there the evening of the 27th, when did he go to work? Did he work the
3rd shift? Why didn't MJ do laundry and move his things out on the 27th?
Why wait until DB is not there and PB is there alone? Doesn't add up, and DB appeared to be surprised when PB told her that MJ was back there and doing laundry.
Why then MJ???????? Maybe DB didn't panic because she knew that KB was coming soon to pick-up PB, and they appeared to be constantly communicating all the way until it was close to the time when KB was due to arrive.
This has really got me puzzled???
But not really, because it all points to MJ and his people???? Just don't know how???

 

[investigate1]

New "missing person" post on Peas in Their Pods blog
http://peasintheirpods.bravejournal.com/
No new info, but good to find something newly posted.

New article in Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ltimore-police/2011/03/16/AB1LZTSB_story.html

HUGE:
Also HUGE:

Deena Barnes said that the night before Phylicia disappeared, Dec. 27, they had returned home from her job in the early evening. Her ex-boyfriend and former roommate, his 16-year-old brother and his 21-year-old cousin, who is also a roommate, were at the apartment, she said. When Deena Barnes left for work the next morning at 8:45, Phylicia was asleep in a bedroom they were sharing. The ex-boyfriend went to the apartment that morning to pick up his brother. Phylicia texted her later that he was there and doing laundry

Okay. Are we to believe this? How many times will the story change? Who is the person that's having delayed reaction, brain freeze or sleepy thoughts?

I thought the story was that DB, KB and PB were having family night. There is a comment somewhere on FB where KB mentions the early night activity on the 27th.

Next, it was added that LBC spent the night and had to be picked up early morning.

Now, the story is that, DB, PB, MJ, his 16yr old brother and the 21 yr old cousin were at the apt at one point or another (together) on the evening of the 27th. So, this is probably around the time certain issues began. Perhaps the day before on the 26th even. We can see the story is still chopped up into pieces. I guess KB was also visiting at the apt.

Does anyone know for certain what apt DB, KB and PB were having family night at? Were they at DB's apt or KB's apt?

Something is not right about (when MJ was due to move). There's no way LBC would still be shacking up at DB's apt if MJ had to move. LBC name was not on the lease. Maybe the 16 yr old and the 21 yr old cousin was helping MJ to move items (which shouldn't have been a huge amount of items). The apt is only so big.

It is not stated what time the young men left the apt. Did they stay until MJ rolled out to work or where ever he went? Did the other two remain at the apt? Are we going to hear next that two of the young men spent the night? smh.

It was confirmed that PB touched base with friends from NC through internet connection on the 27th of Dec. Has it been confirmed what day and time when PB expressed (uneasy) concerns to her sister from NC?

So, for right now, (if) some type of differences or disagreements took place the closest date to Dec 28th, it would be the 27th, perhaps the 26th. From this article, if it's worded correctly, we see 3 young men who were hanging around the apt (close to the date of the 28th). We also know that late night of the 27th, MJ and Lil G were hanging tight with one another and if the 2 of them were smoking some kind of crazy weed, I don't see how MJ would have been able to go to work the night of the 27th