ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 2

[krimekat]

Marc doesn't like the fact that neither parent is there, with LE...

but hasn't LE told them to stay away? who is Marc to say . . . in this specific case :innocent:

 

[cluciano63]

You mean like Elizabeth Smart's family? Or Jessica Lunsford's family? Or Sandra Cantu's family? Or Bree Rodreguiz's family? Or Jorelys Rivera's family? How about Lisa Irwin's family? I can go on & on & on . . .

Not sure why you are putting Lisa Irwin's family in with all of these victims who have been cleared? We don't know what happened to Lisa, or who was involved...IMO

 

[cluciano63]

Well, it's true. And thank goodness someone with his public following acknowledges it.

It's true. They're not trained to do that, but they do make that mistake. Very very talented dogs probably wouldn't do that, but maybe sometimes.

Fact is, dogs aren't DNA. They do their best, and the best of the best is really good, but they make mistakes if smells are similar.

JMO criminals make more mistakes than dogs do...thank goodness.

 

[christee]

Just found this...my apologies if it's old info :biggrin:

Father speaks for first time
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Fat...s-for-first-time.html?cmpid=breaking-news-box

 

[FrayedKnot]

wouldn't she be potty trained? my niece was by 20 months . . . and never got up to use the bathroom when staying with me (don't know about 12 hours, but definitely 8 hours okay)

EGADS! Thank you, krimekat!

I am a preschool teacher and not only is it very common for children of that age to sleep thru the night without waking, it is also quite common for children to either have begun or mastered toileting at 20 months and would not need to wake either to potty or if still in diapers at night, wake because they are wet.

In fact here is a link provided on the American Academy of Pediatrics (external link) that shows the amount of sleep recommended for children by age groups.

http://www.sleepforkids.org/html/sheet.html

Note that for a child Ayla's age, 12-14 hours is the recommended average. This DOES include naps, but again, many children of Ayla's age have given up the morning nap and even with an afternoon nap of, say, 90 mins., Ayla's sleeping 12 hours at night is perfectly normal and not in any way suspect.

As for bed vs. crib, that is something which should be based on an individual child's mobility. If the child is able/likely to climb out of a crib, then a toddler bed or even regular bed with side rails is the safer option as climbing out of a crib can cause a myriad of injuries. I would say it is more common to see a child that age in a bed than still in a crib.

I bring all this up to make the point that IMHO none of these things assign guilt to Ayla's dad. Developmentally speaking, there is nothing amiss there and I don't think any of it should be a basis for assigning blame. MOO.

ETA: Also, it is developmentally normal for a child to be MUCH older when they begin or master toileting. Since we don't have all the facts regarding Ayla and her sleep/potty habits, it is best to keep an open mind.

 

[WillenFan21]

Just found this...my apologies if it's old info :biggrin:

Father speaks for first time
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Fat...s-for-first-time.html?cmpid=breaking-news-box

Wasn't it posted in the other thread that the father lawyered up? That sounds like a lawyer statement right there.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Whoa ....... I was just back-tracking to catch up and just saw this :

I missed this and I thought I read all the links -- not questioning you at all, Clu, -- but do you know what interview Mom said this in ?

If Ayla did NOT make it to her appointment on Friday -- which is the day before Ayla went "missing" ...

IMO that should send up some BIG red flags ... Is is POSSIBLE that something happened to her on Friday ... and then the "cover-up" ? :waitasec:

MOO MOO and another MOO ...

Has the mother ever said how she knows Ayla missed a doctor's appointment on Friday?

 

[FrayedKnot]

Wasn't it posted in the other thread that the father lawyered up? That sounds like a lawyer statement right there.

IIRC, the member that posted that said she had made a mistake. Apparently JVM (I think) said she would welcome the dad's attorney on her show any time. But there was never any mention of the dad actually retaining counsel.

In any case, hiring a lawyer is no proof of guilt, and since Ayla was in his care at the time of her disappearance and he should be looked at closely, 'lawyering up' was a prudent move.

 

[elfie]

EGADS! Thank you, krimekat!

I am a preschool teacher and not only is it very common for children of that age to sleep thru the night without waking, it is also quite common for children to either have begun or mastered toileting at 20 months and would not need to wake either to potty or if still in diapers at night, wake because they are wet.

In fact here is a link provided on the American Academy of Pediatrics (external link) that shows the amount of sleep recommended for children by age groups.

http://www.sleepforkids.org/html/sheet.html

Note that for a child Ayla's age, 12-14 hours is the recommended average. This DOES include naps, but again, many children of Ayla's age have given up the morning nap and even with an afternoon nap of, say, 90 mins., Ayla's sleeping 12 hours at night is perfectly normal and not in any way suspect.

As for bed vs. crib, that is something which should be based on an individual child's mobility. If the child is able/likely to climb out of a crib, then a toddler bed or even regular bed with side rails is the safer option as climbing out of a crib can cause a myriad of injuries. I would say it is more common to see a child that age in a bed than still in a crib.

I bring all this up to make the point that IMHO none of these things assign guilt to Ayla's dad. Developmentally speaking, there is nothing amiss there and I don't think any of it should be a basis for assigning blame. MOO.

There's a world of difference between a 20 month old sleeping for 12 hours and not having been looked in on in 12 hours. Coupled with the information from the mother that Ayla had missed her Dr.'s appointment earlier that day (Friday) the whole situation seems unusual.

 

[Pensfan]

Just found this...my apologies if it's old info :biggrin:

Father speaks for first time
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Fat...s-for-first-time.html?cmpid=breaking-news-box

Well, this is different for the first sentence from a missing child’s parent.

“I will not make accusations or insinuations towards anyone until the police have been able to prove who is responsible for this.”

Did anyone expect dad to announce the "verdict" about who was responsible for his child’s disappearance during this first news conference? (Nope.) Did he make this odd statement because this is what he hopes others will do in regard to him (not make accusations)?

IMO, it was hoped that he would express great concern about the return of his daughter, but he failed to express that. His entire statement appears to be in defense of himself. There isn’t a hint of concern about the location of his daughter, so does he know where she is located? It is also disturbing that he never refers to this missing child as his daughter or his baby.

 

[askfornina]

Just found this...my apologies if it's old info :biggrin:

Father speaks for first time
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Fat...s-for-first-time.html?cmpid=breaking-news-box

thanks for the link!! :seeya:

from the article:

“Contrary to some statements floating around out there, I have been in communication with Ayla’s mother over the last couple of weeks. The Waterville police have transcripts from my phone for verification of those communications.”

“It has always been my intention to have a shared parenting arrangement with Ayla’s mother and I will continue to work towards that when Ayla is returned to us.”

He said that his family and friends “will continue to do everything we can to assist in this investigation and to get Ayla back home.”

 

[my_tee_mouse]

Sounds to me like the father has suspicions as to who took the baby but does not want to run to MSM pointing fingers at folks.

 

[FrayedKnot]

There's a world of difference between a 20 month old sleeping for 12 hours and not having been looked in on in 12 hours. Coupled with the information from the mother that Ayla had missed her Dr.'s appointment earlier that day (Friday) the whole situation seems unusual.

Well, I agree missing an appointment is unusual. It's hardly criminal, though.

My ex and I have very open custody and often he has our daughter on days she is to see the orthodontist. He has TWICE missed her appointments even with my reminders (or nagging, depending on how you see it, lol). Doesn't make him a bad dad, just a space case. And Ayla's dad was pretty new to being a parent, from what I have gathered.

And as I have stated before, I used to check on my daughter before I went to bed, which was usually 2-3 hours after she was put to bed and I did not get up during the night to check on her. That would mean she easily slept alone, in her own room, in her own bed, for 10 or so hours without being checked. (This was when she was around Ayla's age)

And I am a darned good parent. Every parent and every child is different. A good parent meets their child's needs. It is honestly that simple.

I am not saying dad isn't responsible for Ayla's disappearance, and I believe he should be considered a POI, but the child sleeping for 12 hours isn't proof of anything, IMHO.

 

[Pensfan]

Wasn't it posted in the other thread that the father lawyered up? That sounds like a lawyer statement right there.

I screwed that up. I only heard JVM state that the dad or his attorney was welcome on her show. I incorrectly assumed dad had lawyered up, but in reality this was only a response by JVM because she allowed the mother's response to be played on her program. It is unknown if dad has an attorney.

 

[cluciano63]

Well, I agree missing an appointment is unusual. It's hardly criminal, though.

My ex and I have very open custody and often he has our daughter on days she is to see the orthodontist. He has TWICE missed her appointments even with my reminders (or nagging, depending on how you see it, lol). Doesn't make him a bad dad, just a space case. And Ayla's dad was pretty new to being a parent, from what I have gathered.

And as I have stated before, I used to check on my daughter before I went to bed, which was usually 2-3 hours after she was put to bed and I did not get up during the night to check on her. That would mean she easily slept alone, in her own room, in her own bed, for 10 or so hours without being checked. (This was when she was around Ayla's age)

And I am a darned good parent. Every parent and every child is different. A good parent meets their child's needs. It is honestly that simple.

I am not saying dad isn't responsible for Ayla's disappearance, and I believe he should be considered a POI, but the child sleeping for 12 hours isn't proof of anything, IMHO.

But this is a child with an arm broken in an accident with Dad...keeping the appointment would be more than logical, especially if he intended to try for perm. custody himself. Perhaps he is just careless, clumsy...and stupid? JMO

 

[Pensfan]

thanks for the link!! :seeya:

from the article:
Quote:
“Contrary to some statements floating around out there, I have been in communication with Ayla’s mother over the last couple of weeks. The Waterville police have transcripts from my phone for verification of those communications.”

“It has always been my intention to have a shared parenting arrangement with Ayla’s mother and I will continue to work towards that when Ayla is returned to us.”

He said that his family and friends “will continue to do everything we can to assist in this investigation and to get Ayla back home.”

Transcripts? Surely this means that the phone company has shared his phone call records. ??

 

[FrayedKnot]

I screwed that up. I only heard JVM state that the dad or his attorney was welcome on her show. I incorrectly assumed dad had lawyered up, but in reality this was only a response by JVM because she allowed the mother's response to be played on her program. It is unknown if dad has an attorney.

If I may come to your defense, it was an easy mistake. JVM's comment would make anyone think that the dad had an attorney. It's part of the reason I am getting peeved with MSM. Too much spin.

 

[momshrink]

Well, this is different for the first sentence from a missing child’s parent.

“I will not make accusations or insinuations towards anyone until the police have been able to prove who is responsible for this.”

Did anyone expect dad to announce the "verdict" about who was responsible for his child’s disappearance during this first news conference? (Nope.) Did he make this odd statement because this is what he hopes others will do in regard to him (not make accusations)?

IMO, it was hoped that he would express great concern about the return of his daughter, but he failed to express that. His entire statement appears to be in defense of himself. There isn’t a hint of concern about the location of his daughter, so does he know where she is located? It is also disturbing that he never refers to this missing child as his daughter or his baby.

Seems to be in response to all of mom's talk in media appearances. I read the article and dad seems to be communicating only with LE. I don't understand why mom needs to continue her public attacks on dad. I am sure he could say a great deal about her unstable lifestyle.
I guess it is the finger pointing and attacks on dad, these are behaviors that make me wonder about mom. Nothing is her fault, everything is dad's fault, he has connections with DHS, etc.
There is much we do not know.
However, this child disappeared in dad's care. I have to wonder.

 

[melissasmom]

wouldn't she be potty trained? my niece was by 20 months . . . and never got up to use the bathroom when staying with me (don't know about 12 hours, but definitely 8 hours okay)

Oh my goodness, now I feel that 20 mos. would be quite early for potty training. I never even started training any of my 4 kids until after their second birthday. Maybe I'm different that way. Not that a child couldn't be fully potty trained by then, just seems young to me.

And that is the only post I am going to make about what I did with my kids, I think there is too much of that going on in these cases. All kids/families are different.

 

[FrayedKnot]

But this is a child with an arm broken in an accident with Dad...keeping the appointment would be more than logical, especially if he intended to try for perm. custody himself. Perhaps he is just careless, clumsy...and stupid? JMO

IIRC, it is only hearsay that he was trying for custody. In fact, we have heard conflicting statements that he was forced into caring for Ayla, that he demanded custody of Ayla, that DFACS assigned him custody of Ayla, that it was just a decision between dad and mom while she went to rehab. We really do not know what the truth is in regard to the custody situation.

That said, a broken arm is pretty serious, I agree, and you would think he'd make it a priority to get her there. Do we know for certain that he didn't or didn't even try? I thought that was only the mom's statement. Is there proof from the doctor?

Do we know what his work situation is? Do we know if Ayla is insured? Is it possible he wasn't able to leave work to take her and so he called to cancel? Maybe he would have had to have the full amount of the doctor's bill if they were not insured and if he couldn't pay they wouldn't be able to see Ayla. If you are self-pay, doctors usually make you pay up front before you go in for your exam. I know because although my daughter is covered under her dad's insurance, I am uninsured and I have to pay up front. And it is quite costly.

I just honestly think there is so much spin already in this case that the pitifully few hard facts we have are all but buried. I need more info, not hearsay before I can point a finger.