ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 2

[cluciano63]

O/T: Why isn't my quote button working? It shows the quote when I am responding to it, but when I post, the quoted post disappears. Help, LOL.

I thought you were simply having a debate with yourself, lol

 

[JeannieC]

I personally don't see suspicious inconsistencies with her timeline, either. I definitely feel that TR was initially in a state of shock/ disbelief, but the reality that she may never see her daughter again is slowly starting to seep in. I think the emotional rollercoaster associated with such a tragic event, not to mention the guilt she must be consumed with for having tyo leave little Ayla to go to rehab, may be taking a toll on her. IMO- she may even blame herself for this scenario (for example, thinking to herself " why did I let my addiction get so out of hand...etc," so as of now, I can't blame her if she tends to be wishy washy.

I know, as the mother of a 3 year-old daughter, if something heaven forbid happened to my baby girl while I was teaching my classes at the university, I could NEVER forgive myself for leaving her (my aunt watches her at my house twice a week) to go to work. May sound crazy, but that would be my reality. Therefore, I cannot begin to imagine how TR must feel. She may not have made smart decisions in the past, but at least she was seeking help!

Again, the point I'm trying to make is... we should not be so quick to judge her, especially because Ayla went missing on HIS watch! Not sure what happened, but all I know is that I am heartbroken for all the missing little angels....praying for each and every one of these beautiful babies...:heartbeat:

:goodpost:

 

[Kat]

Thanks for the welcome, and the different perspective. So, if I understand correctly, according to Trista, Justin broke off all contact between Ayla and her mother about a month ago? And that he refused to let Trista have unsupervised visitation since October, is that correct? Do we know why any of that happened?

The only reason that I quoted that Trista had been in the house was to show that, yes, she had been in the house and knew where Ayla slept. For sleuthing purposes, I think it's important to establish who did and didn't know the layout of the home.

Thanks again for the comments!

I hear what you're saying. Both parents would have motive to take Ayla.

I would also like to add for consideration of who might know the layout of the home.

All adults in that home the night Ayla went missing. More importantly, any adults that are either known to those adults and have visited the home.

We don't have any way of knowing who may have been in that home (visiting) since Ayla had come to be living there. It is still a remote possibility (in my mind) that there is someone known to the family that knew the lay out of the home and went in and took Ayla and the motive for that would be one we've seen over and over if that possibility happened.

 

[Kat]

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=79231

America's Most Wanted.

Television Airings:
»December 23, 2011

 

[JeannieC]

--that's weird----for me, my "thanks" button isn't working!

Hit F5 or refresh. That should fix it.

 

[hambirg]

Yes. But if you exceed that, then your option is CPS, who had already been involved with Ayla, her mother, her aunt, her grandmother, and her father. Anyone at any point could have said, "No thanks, I don't want to raise a child right now", and that would have been the end of it. Ayla would have gone to foster care, and that person never would have had to see her again.

My problem with this for this case, is, as far as I understand, JD is not Ayla's legal parent. TR is her legal parent, even though CPS has been involved, but I don't think her rights were terminated.

Soooo. . .if JD did not want to take care of Ayla, she would have went back into the custody of the state, or back to JR. I think the latter would have been likely at some point because she went to rehab and was beginning paperwork to gain custody. And where would that put JD? Once legal paternity is established he would still be on the hook for child support.

I think that is what this case is about. .. unfortunately.

 

[KinderedSpirits]

--that's weird----for me, my "thanks" button isn't working!

I had the same problem yesterday, and have to admit that I had a brief panic moment. lol. Had to go back and make sure none of my posts were taken out of context....hoh: Everything was working fine today, so I'm sure it will get resolved on its own. Maybe a glitch in the system...

 

[EllaMae]

Sweet Baby Ayla....where are you?

 

[askfornina]

Trista on the Today show this morning 12/23 transcript:

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/45775493#45775493

TR: I just want her home and I'm hoping for..maybe my christmas present, that'll be it, that she's gonna come home.

I trusted him to keep her safe, and now she is missing and I don't know where she is, and I blame him right now because he did not protect her the way that he was supposed to.

Q: What are police telling you about the investigation right now?

TR: Nothing. No clues, not at all. Everything i'm hearing i'm hearing from uh, news reporters, broadcastings, yeah. I'm just like everybody else out there right now. I'm not hearing from any detective, any state police, nothing. Just what I hear on the news.

Q: Let's go back to the last contact you had with Ayla's father, JD. He is cooperating with police, as you saw, he released that short statement and said he has no idea what happened to Ayla. But, you checked in with him a week ago when he was supposed to take Ayla to a doctor's appointment to check her broken arm. What happened?

TR: I uh, had reached out to him on Thursday, the 15th, to see if he was definitely still coming on Friday, and he told me he was definitely not coming, and that was the last that I had spoken with Justin.

Q: And then Ayla had disappeared, as you had found out, have you heard from Justin since?

TR: I have not.

Q: And Justin says he put Ayla to bed at 8pm that night, Thursday night, into Friday, and he checked her bed at 8am. Timeline, here, is very important as you know in a missing person's case. You have told us that Justin would apparently always check in on Ayla, before he would go to bed. Do you have any reason to believe that he didn't, in fact, do that?

TR: Uh, I don't know in this case right now, but yeah, he's told me numerus times before he'd go to bed he'd check on her. Why would this one time would you not check on her? So i'm not sure, like..

Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...

TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.

Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?

TR: No, he did not, no, he did not.

Q: Why was she in his care?

TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.

Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?

TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilites.

Q: And did you have any reason to believe that Justin was not being a caring parent to Ayla?

TR: Um, I don't think we was not a non-caring parent..I just..I just think the way he was going about things was just wrong, by lots of ways and I mean, just, after a while of not hearing from her and not being able to see her, a mother is going to get suspicious. And that's..I started getting very suspicious of um, what was going on.

TR: And uh, could I just uh, thank everyone out there for um, you know, especially the mothers, you know, mother to mother who's uh, out searching for my daughter and who has you know, been there, looking and not giving up and giving their prayers.

 

[katydid23]

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...75493#45775493


TR: Uh, I don't know in this case right now, but yeah, he's told me numerus times before he'd go to bed he'd check on her. Why would this one time would you not check on her? So i'm not sure, like..

Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...

TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.

Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?

TR: No, he did not, no, he did not.

Q: Why was she in his care?

TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.

Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?

TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilites.
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I am sorry, but every time mom speaks about this issue, I find myself very confused.

IMO, if CPS took custody away from her family and handed the child over to the father, then he must have had some kind of temporary custody order. CPS does not take a child out of the bio mom's care and give them over to someone else withoput some kind of legal paperwork.

And I do not believe their story that it was because CPS did not 'like' the mom's family.

eta: I do not believe that Mom had anything to do with the baby going missing, but I do think that she had some parental issues going on as well. And i am not jumping to conclusions that the father was the perp , not yet anyway.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO, it goes without saying that she had some parental issues going on. If someone needs rehab she's using too much of something she shouldn't be using and in those circumstances people are very likely to be not as good parents as they should.

But it may be irrelevant as Ayla didn't go missing in her care.

 

[krimekat]

JMO, it goes without saying that she had some parental issues going on. If someone needs rehab she's using too much of something she shouldn't be using and in those circumstances people are very likely to be not as good parents as they should.

But it may be irrelevant as Ayla didn't go missing in her care.

But we still don't know what happened to Ayla for her to be "missing".

IMHO everyone is suspect until LE releases more information. I'm not accusing anyone but this child went missing one day after Trista was filing for full custody after the child was given to the father (had to be legal or CFS could not do this, right?)

Still so many questions & not enough info :fence:

and this from Trista has me scratching my head: "[CFS] violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. " Why Justin (if he is not legally the child's father)?

 

[not_my_kids]

In my personal experience, it would surprise me exactly 0% to find that CPS did in fact violate rights and place a child in a more dangerous situation because of personal feelings about people in the case. IMO, they do that quite often because so much is left to worker discretion.

That said, I do think that maybe there are some things that Mom hasn't said. I am noticing a distinct lack of responsibility taking from the mother, just from her media interviews. Most parents would be blaming themselves, even if it was in no way their fault. That's just the way parents are. I am not saying that she had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance, I don't think she did, but I do have a hard time accepting her statements at face value.

 

[Donjeta]

But we still don't know what happened to Ayla for her to be "missing".

IMHO everyone is suspect until LE releases more information. I'm not accusing anyone but this child went missing one day after Trista was filing for full custody after the child was given to the father (had to be legal or CFS could not do this, right?)

Still so many questions & not enough info :fence:

and this from Trista has me scratching my head: "[CFS] violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. " Why Justin (if he is not legally the child's father)?

Could it have been because he was known to be the father anyway and more importantly he was known the child? Apparently they had had some sort of visitation arrangement, even if unofficial. I think that it would be preferable to place the child with someone who knows her and has a tie to her rather than with strangers.

The legal paternity should IMO be sorted shortly after the child is born but even if it isn't there may be a bond between a father and his child that makes the placement a natural choice.
(I don't know how Ayla bonded with anybody, just speaking in generalities)

 

[Madilu]

(Snippatto...)I guess what I'm saying is that lots of parents who harm or neglect a child are the last people who would give up custody. On the contrary ~ they think they have a right to do anything they want to their offspring because they have custody."

Wow. I agree with you on that one. I have a niece who gave birth to five kids from five different father. When she was both unable and unwilling to care for them, she refused the help of our large family -which consists mostly of working professionals with nice, good marriages, stable income, and well-adjusted, happy and active children...many of us were willing to raise her children to keep them in the family. But because she had the parental rights to choose, my family watched 4 of those kids be placed in state system, completely out of our reach. It's a control thing. Too bad, and so sad for the children concerned.

 

[cluciano63]

In that interview posted above, it says she went missing Thursday night into Friday...isn't that wrong? I thought it was Friday night...anyway...

She called, she says, to see if he was going to bring her back on Friday-he said no. Was her appointment supposed to be in Portland on Friday, or just the return to her mother? And his saying "no"-did that end the conversation??

It is all very weird that she was gone just then, with all of this going on within 24 hours or so...it does offer some hope he put Ayla somewhere to hide her, but of course he is denying that and I wonder if he could really stand up to this kind of a public case and in he investigation if she was really okay...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

--that's weird----for me, my "thanks" button isn't working!

I am going to try to help...but I am a technical zero. My Thanks button shuts off when my "time" has elapsed, so I have to log in again. I don't know if my "time" is a set amount of time..I just know when my Thanks button stops working that I need to log-in again.
You might want to try that.

This might be the case for the poster who stated her quote button wasn't working, either. Sorry I don't remember the poster's name. Please don't be offended. I am afraid if I go back to see the name I will get lost in the thread and maybe never find my way "home".

If this helps anyone, I will copy it, gold emboss it and show it to my husband or else he will never believe me.

If this doesn't work for anyone, then what he doesn't know, won't hurt him!:crazy:

 

[cluciano63]

OT, I have been "logged off" both today and yesterday a few times, which never happens...not sure if it is my computer or WS...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=79231

America's Most Wanted.

Television Airings:
»December 23, 2011

Thanks, Kat, for the info. When I clicked on it I also saw a "poster" for little Sky, who is missing, too!

 

[momshrink]

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...75493#45775493


TR: Uh, I don't know in this case right now, but yeah, he's told me numerus times before he'd go to bed he'd check on her. Why would this one time would you not check on her? So i'm not sure, like..

Q: There's a lot of questions and speculation about the custody situation, I know that Ayla was put into, by child protective services, into custody, uh, Justin got custody of Ayla in October...

TR: He did not get custody of Ayla.

Q:...temporary custody in October? He did not?


uu: No, he did not, no, he did not.

Q: Why was she in his care?

TR: Nothing stating..Because Department of Health and Human Services violated my rights. That is why she ended in Justin's care. There was no court order, there was no nothing that had to do with any custody at all. None, whatsoever.

Q: Did you file for sole custody though, the couple of days before she disappeared?

TR: On Thursday, yeah, I went to Portland courthouse and I filed for parental rights and responsibilites.
===================================================

I am sorry, but every time mom speaks about this issue, I find myself very confused.

IMO, if CPS took custody away from her family and handed the child over to the father, then he must have had some kind of temporary custody order. CPS does not take a child out of the bio mom's care and give them over to someone else withoput some kind of legal paperwork.

And I do not believe their story that it was because CPS did not 'like' the mom's family.

eta: I do not believe that Mom had anything to do with the baby going missing, but I do think that she had some parental issues going on as well. And i am not jumping to conclusions that the father was the perp , not yet anyway.

I do not believe that mom had anything to do with her child's disappearance and I know she is frantic. But cps cannot remove or place children without a court order.