ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 6

[Caligram]

I wish I didn't feel so certain that something happened to Ayla before December 16th. The more I read the harder it becomes to believe that Ayla could be alive and safely hidden away with the approval of JD. Doesn't sound like he has any financial means to make such risky secretive arrangements. I wonder if child support obligations become unenforceable if said child goes "missing".

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Okay, I am playing catchup with this case. There were three adults and three children in this tiny house and a baby disappears with no one hearing a sound?

...When Pigs fly!....

 

[Lera213]

I wish I didn't feel so certain that something happened to Ayla before December 16th. The more I read the harder it becomes to believe that Ayla could be alive and safely hidden away with the approval of JD. Doesn't sound like he has any financial means to make such risky secretive arrangements. I wonder if child support obligations become unenforceable if said child goes "missing".

MOO

Yes and maybe his mommy didn't want him to be tied down to a kid, child support and such. It could be him or anyone.

I too do not believe in my heart that she went missing that night. I think it was before that. moo

 

[Whisperer]

Looks like we have another drug and alcohol-related crime. At what point is this ever going to end? No father or mother should ever allow anyone to babysit who does either one. When the parent does it, the child is in double jeopardy.

....Here we go again. We have a reluctant father, an ambitious GF, a sister and two young children there and we are supposed to believe a stranger came in and kidnapped Ayla? Are they serious? Man, we are having an epidemic of maniac/psycho/pedohphile baby abductors running around the country...at least that is what they are trying to tell us

... This precious baby had a broken arm (highly suspicious) and now we are supposed to believe she was kidnapped too? Not drinking that koolaid..I am still catching up and not liking one thing I am reading about these people. The father and his GF, so far, are on my radar. This may be updated as I continue on with this case.

 

[Whisperer]

...need to do some profiling. Did I hear correctly that the GM who owns and lives at the house, was not at the home that night? if so, why not? What were all these people doing all night and am I am to believe all three young adults fell asleep by 10:00pm on a Friday Night?

 

[Whisperer]

I don't see anyone saying that JD "hated" Ayla or the idea of her. But that does not make him automatically a good, capable father either. I find the fact that Ayla was apparently alone in a room when everyone else was sleeping with other children to be kind of appalling, personally-she was injured, still relatively new in her environment, and there is no guarantee she would have been heard if she cried in her bed. I can imagine that if TR imagines this, it must be very painful to her as a mother-I am pained and saddened by the image; everyone cozying up with a child for the night, except for poor Ayla left alone to her fate. Or at least that is the story, which also makes it convenient for her to be "taken." JMO

bugs the heck out of me too cluciano...makes me even more cranky than usual.

 

[naturallyme]

Don't you think if there had been a door pried open or a broken window or even a window found open we would have heard about it by now. Justin's blogger friend gave so many details about master degrees, broken gates, all kinds of little details. Do you think she would have forgot to mention something like a broken entrance door or raised window? Phoebe even told us about the sheer curtains. When she mentioned the sheer curtains, surely that would have reminded her of a window and if a window had been tampered with, surely she would have said so.

Don't know if the house even had a chimney, but as far as I know only Santa comes in that way.

That only leaves a couple other ways an intruder gets in that I can think of. Did they leave the door unlocked, or did other people have a key? If that were the case wouldn't they say so. The blogger appears to be irate that the public could even consider that someone within that house could have done something. If she, Justin, or the others don't want people to suspect them, then just give some small detail that might give the public the reason to think otherwise.

 

[CuriousDi]

Would that Court Order (if one exist) be open to the public or would it be sealed because of a minor being involved. Anyone know?

All states differ, but in Arizona it would be sealed and CPS cases go through juvenile court, not family court.

Diana

 

[ThoughtFox]

Looks like we have another drug and alcohol-related crime. At what point is this ever going to end? No father or mother should ever allow anyone to babysit who does either one. When the parent does it, the child is in double jeopardy.

....Here we go again. We have a reluctant father, an ambitious GF, a sister and two young children there and we are supposed to believe a stranger came in and kidnapped Ayla? Are they serious? Man, we are having an epidemic of maniac/psycho/pedohphile baby abductors running around the country...at least that is what they are trying to tell us

... This precious baby had a broken arm (highly suspicious) and now we are supposed to believe she was kidnapped too? Not drinking that koolaid..I am still catching up and not liking one thing I am reading about these people. The father and his GF, so far, are on my radar. This may be updated as I continue on with this case.

I think you make a really good point because this isn't just about all of us jumping on the family and refusing to look outside the box. This is about all of the cumulative knowledge we have about Ayla and this family, and what kind of picture it paints. And right now, that is a picture of motive with opportunity (who was in the house that night) and/or some kind of accident and cover-up (which still points to the people in the house that night, plus maybe the grandmother).

 

[cityslick]

I think you make a really good point because this isn't just about all of us jumping on the family and refusing to look outside the box. This is about all of the cumulative knowledge we have about Ayla and this family, and what kind of picture it paints. And right now, that is a picture of motive with opportunity (who was in the house that night) and/or some kind of accident and cover-up (which still points to the people in the house that night, plus maybe the grandmother).

The problem with coming up with motive is there is very little information on any of the house occupants so how can you determine motive if you know next to nothing about the people themselves?

 

[Detective Klimpt]

I can't help feeling that Trista was going to be granted custody of Ayla again and that JD etc. knew that...not sure what that means for Ayla, but I would not be shocked if JD decided the child support amount, whatever it would be, was ridiculous since he was apparently able to keep Ayla at little or no cost to himself. I don't believe (at this stage) that she was intentionally harmed, but if anyone "hid" her, I think it was JD, and that he doesn't know his next step. And to me, that is the best- case scenario.

Money is a motive in many deaths. It may even explain Justin's desire to take Ayla; i.e. so that he didn't have to pay child support.

I'm hopeful, that unlike the LI case, this one will be solved. Surely one of those present will give it up.

I think Ayla was put in that car the neighbor's saw late at night.

 

[tamild]

I've been reading through everything, including the new family timeline, and I have a question I'm confused about. Did TR go to the ER when Ayla broke her arm? For some reason I had assumed that she did, but now that I'm reading through everything again, I'm not sure. Anyone know for sure?

 

[ThoughtFox]

The problem with coming up with motive is there is very little information on any of the house occupants so how can you determine motive if you know next to nothing about the people themselves?

I think we know quite a bit about people. Several people have mentioned child support as a motive, or jealousy/resentment on the part of the girlfriend who had a child of her own. There could have been some resentment on the part of the aunt who had a child younger than Ayla, who might not have wanted to take care of two babies all the time.

There have been many theories spun about hiding Ayla to avoid returning her to TR. I don't particularly buy any of those, although people can go nuts and do just about anything these days.

I personally lean towards this being a case of neglect or an accident. In that case, there is no "motive" but there is opportunity for a cover-up. Therefore, I don't see much point in looking outside the home for answers.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I've been reading through everything, including the new family timeline, and I have a question I'm confused about. Did TR go to the ER when Ayla broke her arm? For some reason I had assumed that she did, but now that I'm reading through everything again, I'm not sure. Anyone know for sure?

Justin talked about the emergency room in this article. I don't think he called Trista about it when it happened, but after the emergency room.

http://www.pressherald.com/news/aylas-father-explains-how-toddlers-arm-was-broken_2012-01-07.html

Trista said this on Nancy Grace:

GRACE:...Now, let me ask you this, Trista. Another thing that`s concerning me. At the time baby Ayla goes missing, her arm was in a sling. Why?

REYNOLDS: A few weeks ago, Justin had given me a call and said that he was holding Ayla and they fell up, like, two or three little steps, and he fell on top of her and her arm was broken. And he waited over -- almost 24 hours to bring her to the emergency room.

I want -- I want reasons -- I want to know reasons to why -- why do you wait almost 24 hours to bring a child to -- he himself told me she screamed bloody murder when they fell, so you wait almost 24 hours to go have her checked out?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1112/19/ng.01.html

 

[Sparklin]

Originally Posted by askfornina
In the new timeline from TR/Family on aylareynolds.com, it says that JD was ordered by DHHS to pay back child support in December 2010 after having a paternity test.



--according tp the T/L on aylareynolds.com-----yes, he had the paternity test in dec.2010 , so theoretically could say he didn't KNOW (for certain) that he was her father for 7 months-----but------was well aware of her existance prior to that paternity test.

--just another bit of "trick wording" on the ( original ) lightofmaine.com site.

Again, I have to wonder about Tristas ex-boyfriend...the little boys daddy? Did he originally think he was Aylas dad? Did he take a paternity test? Was this their breaking point? Wouldn't Trista have been pregnant then? How did ex-bf feel about this new info, if he didn't already know it????

 

[tamild]

Justin talked about the emergency room in this article. I don't think he called Trista about it when it happened, but after the emergency room.

Thank you, ThoughtFox. That's the way I interpreted it as well, but in the new "timeline" on the AylaReynolds site, it says that Justin called TR and said that he and his mother were getting ready to take Ayla to the ER. It goes on to say that it was later reporter that Ayla had a broken arm. This leads me to believe that TR was notified before they went, but, for whatever reason, didn't meet them there. :waitasec:

 

[naturallyme]

Several days ago we had tried to figure out the exact day that Ayla broke her arm, by checking the last date of Justins class and weather reports for rain.

From Trista's timeline we learn it was Nov. 4 that Ayla broke her arm and Justin called her on Nov. 5

Has anyone checked to see if that matches with the weather and possible date of his lass class?

 

[HiHater]

Thank you, ThoughtFox. That's the way I interpreted it as well, but in the new "timeline" on the AylaReynolds site, it says that Justin called TR and said that he and his mother were getting ready to take Ayla to the ER. It goes on to say that it was later reporter that Ayla had a broken arm. This leads me to believe that TR was notified before they went, but, for whatever reason, didn't meet them there. :waitasec:

So many things have been presented like this----people talk out of both sides of their mouths...

TR said later that JD wanted to take Ayla immediately, but PD told him that Ayla would be fine. Which is understandable. She probably didn't think it was broken, because it does take a lot for a kids' bone to break.

I avoid the emergency room at all costs, because here it takes about 4-5 hours just to be seen (I live next to Fort Hood, that probably accounts for the sheer number of people). I'd much rather wait and try to get a same-day doctor's appointment.

Many people have taken bad medical advice from well intentioned mothers, friends, and family members.

 

[HiHater]

Several days ago we had tried to figure out the exact day that Ayla broke her arm, but checking the last date of Justins class and weather reports for rain.

From Trista's timeline we learn it was Nov. 15 she broke her arm and Justin called her on Nov. 16.

Has anyone checked to see if that matches with the weather and possible date of his lass class?

I read Nov 5th as when Ayla was taken to the ER, so it was broken on the 4th?

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Bubble and Balloon Prayer Vigil For Ayla Reynolds
Saturday, January 28th, 2012
Noon To 2:00 PM, City Hall, Front Street, Waterville, Maine
Co-Sponsored By LostNMissing. Inc / Rev. Danielle Bartz
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