ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 6

[dog.gone.cute]

Tonight at 9 PM ET -- Criminal Profiler Pat Brown will give her thoughts on the investigation into Ayla Reynolds. Listen here: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2012/01/24/levi-page-show

The # to call into the show is 1-347-838-9781 if you have a question or comment!

:seeya:

Hi Levi, I am so glad you are covering Ayla's story.

TY !

:seeya:

 

[Yoda]

I know this has been discussed on WS previously, somewhere upthread. I think it was generally agreed that a doctor would be able to recognize the "age" of a break and whether it was one day old versus 10 days old, etc. based on calcification and/or healing that had already occurred.

Trying to make the puzzle pieces fit: jd's last class according to the school information we have oct 27, 2011 (not valid if class was rescheduled because of weather/instructor/etc.) and when TR says she was informed the accident happened nov 4, 2011. Maybe jd just told tr it happened on nov 4 because he didn't her to make a big deal or freak out that he waited a week. Maybe LE and the hospital know the correct date. Maybe LE didn't inform/correct her of the actual date of the injury because she didn't ask or they felt it wasn't necessary- I am not saying they lied to her- just didn't discuss the date. And she probably didn't call the hospital or ask for medical records so she is going by what she was told BEFORE Ayla disappeared. Did jd ever say the actual DATE or did he just say before his last class?
I know people keep asking, Why is the broken arm still being discussed? Timeline, credibility, pattern behavior and ?? I am not privy to all the information, statements, test results that the LE has, but like LE, I want Ayla found. So I am using the information that I and fellow websleuthers have gathered to create any possible scenario. Maybe something will click, maybe it will lead us or LE to another location/person that might hold the answers. I hope it does and Ayla can be found. Moo

Ps this was not in response to what I quoted above but a bouncing off.

 

[Sparklin]

Very true! We don't know all the facts and we are getting the ones we do have from TR and family only. I believe her version of events as she experienced them, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't more to the story that she wasn't aware of or didn't disclose to the media. Iirc, she wasn't the first to admit to being in rehab, that was reported by media, but I believe she used the term "getting on her feet" during one of the first interviews. She didn't personally mention the word rehab until it was already out there. Not that I blame her, that is a very personal thing, and no one is given a guidebook for how to behave when first your child disappears and then your whole life is splashed all over the news....

In my previous post I was only trying to convey my belief that LE are diligently working this case and are not being swayed by any negative light that their investigation may shed on another state orginization (DHHS). I think they are doing this the right way, where ever the evidence leads them.

bbm = I wish everyone truly believed that regarding ALL parties.

So, if I understand correctly now, DHHS actually made Trista go to rehab?? So it wasn't as I previously read/heard, that she realized she needed to straighten out for her children?? And now DHHS made the decision to allow Justin to take Ayla? It wasn't actually an agreement with the two parents??

So many inconsistencies...

 

[deoneta]

I have been mostly reading along for a couple days, but I wanted to share my thoughts on some things that have been posted about. Sorry if I repeat my previous posts on some points; I'm not trying to. :innocent:

First, posts have been going back & forth about whether it would be more or less likely that an intruder would've been heard given that there were x adults in the house the night Ayla disappeared. I'm pretty ambivalent about this. I can relate to the idea that the more people there were, the less alarming it would be for any single person to hear the sounds of another person in the house. One of the reasons I'm so thankful for my kitty is that, if he wasn't in the apartment with me, every sound would have me on edge, ready to dial 911. Intellectually, I know that there are sounds that buildings just make, eg. there is a sign for the shop below my apartment that creaks when it is breezy, and sometimes the building just makes noises 'cause it's settling or something. Since Mr. Whiskers is here, all the squeaks and creaks get attributed to him, and I keep my sanity and tune most of them out. But I'm not convinced that this is totally analogous to the situation at the DiPietros' that night.

Second, AskforNina, thank you so much for keeping us updated with timelines, transcripts, photos, and more!

Third, ThoughtFox, I agree with your statement, I am not putting the blogger down really, but I would be surprised to hear that she didn't expect to get a lot of criticism online. I don't know where she reads, but at most of the sites I read (MSM, local news, blogs) there are a lot of rude/nasty commenters, especially when they have some degree of anonymity. I registered to leave comments at my local news site, but never post because so much of the back-and-forth is not civil, not pleasant, and often not even relevant to the article it accompanies. I am not excusing that kind of behavior, but I guess I am surprised that a fairly web-savvy person (which I assume her to be, which may be incorrect) would not expect it. Or maybe it is a generational thing, or I am just cynical.

BBM: I agree that's it very surprising that anyone who spends time online wouldn't be aware that where ever comments are allowed, some of them will be impolite. I can't believe she didn't anticipate the foaming at the mouth public scrutinizing any account of the night of the disapperance.

I really try to base my opinions on what few facts are known, statements from the both families and from their websites and statements from LE , but I also read news sites comments and fb comments. I wish LE would give out an update. Bloggers quote other bloggers, and bloggers end up covered in MSM. All MOO.

 

[naturallyme]

Has anyone been able to find a MSM item for today or in about the last 3 days. Even the local news has dropped this story. They have not covered anything about Trista's timeline or that someone has a blog (supposedly with Justin's approval) that keeps changing.

Why? Why isn't this in the local media?

 

[cluciano63]

Has anyone been able to find a MSM item for today or in about the last 3 days. Even the local news has dropped this story. They have not covered anything about Trista's timeline or that someone has a blog (supposedly with Justin's approval) that keeps changing.

Why? Why isn't this in the local media?

Same old story...if there isn't anything really new, they won't report. They can't really report on rumors other than to say that there are blogs with rumors out there, and there was an article about this woman friend of JD's blog in the last day or two.

Anyone who knows TR or JD and decides to take up the cause should expect plenty of internet interest, to say the least. One can't claim to know the real story, as this woman seems to have done, and then change it, and not expect "feedback." She made a big mistake in doing anything more than simply saying she was a friend of JD's and supported him at this time, IMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Trying to make the puzzle pieces fit: jd's last class according to the school information we have oct 27, 2011 (not valid if class was rescheduled because of weather/instructor/etc.) and when TR says she was informed the accident happened nov 4, 2011. Maybe jd just told tr it happened on nov 4 because he didn't her to make a big deal or freak out that he waited a week. Maybe LE and the hospital know the correct date. Maybe LE didn't inform/correct her of the actual date of the injury because she didn't ask or they felt it wasn't necessary- I am not saying they lied to her- just didn't discuss the date. And she probably didn't call the hospital or ask for medical records so she is going by what she was told BEFORE Ayla disappeared. Did jd ever say the actual DATE or did he just say before his last class?
I know people keep asking, Why is the broken arm still being discussed? Timeline, credibility, pattern behavior and ?? I am not privy to all the information, statements, test results that the LE has, but like LE, I want Ayla found. So I am using the information that I and fellow websleuthers have gathered to create any possible scenario. Maybe something will click, maybe it will lead us or LE to another location/person that might hold the answers. I hope it does and Ayla can be found. Moo

Ps this was not in response to what I quoted above but a bouncing off.

BBM: Oh ... to be a "fly on the wall" ... :crazy: but it would be nice if LE would "share" some info with the public -- even if it is just crumbs ...


BBM: I think the broken arm is a very important issue for several reasons:

- Ayla has a broken arm from a "fall" where her father says he fell on her while going up the steps outside the house ...

- Ayla missed the scheduled doctor's appointment the day before she was "reported missing" ...

- Then we hear about steps again -- this time, inside the house -- along with a gate ... I know -- this info is from the blogger -- but she had to get that info from someone who was inside that house. So, maybe there was another "accident" -- on the steps maybe ? Just speculating ...

AND a BIG IF HERE -- there was another accident, and it involved the steps, he was at the ER with Ayla a month earlier and all of a sudden "another accident" ? I think that would raise some big red flags with the ER doctors, the DHHS ...

One other point : I remember when Aliayah Lunsford went "missing" it was reported that she had several teeth missing -- and then we see pictures of this little girl with bruises -- and these were NOT from an "accident" ! :furious::furious::furious:

JMO ... but "where there is smoke, there is a fire" ...

MOO ...

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Looks like we have another drug and alcohol-related crime. At what point is this ever going to end? No father or mother should ever allow anyone to babysit who does either one. When the parent does it, the child is in double jeopardy.

....Here we go again. We have a reluctant father, an ambitious GF, a sister and two young children there and we are supposed to believe a stranger came in and kidnapped Ayla? Are they serious? Man, we are having an epidemic of maniac/psycho/pedohphile baby abductors running around the country...at least that is what they are trying to tell us

... This precious baby had a broken arm (highly suspicious) and now we are supposed to believe she was kidnapped too? Not drinking that koolaid..I am still catching up and not liking one thing I am reading about these people. The father and his GF, so far, are on my radar. This may be updated as I continue on with this case.

Hi Whisperer!
Great to have you join us. It is refreshing for me to have someone give their views with a "fresh set of eyes". The sleuthers here have such insight and clever theories. And it is good to hear new ideas from someone who has just caught up and has new gut instincts!

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

Has anyone been able to find a MSM item for today or in about the last 3 days. Even the local news has dropped this story. They have not covered anything about Trista's timeline or that someone has a blog (supposedly with Justin's approval) that keeps changing.

Why? Why isn't this in the local media?

Trista did an interview today with Boston.com

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Hi Whisperer!
Great to have you join us. It is refreshing for me to have someone give their views with a "fresh set of eyes". The sleuthers here have such insight and clever theories. And it is good to hear new ideas from someone who has just caught up and has new gut instincts!

:rocker: I totally agree ...

:seeya:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Listening to Levi's Show :

Levi discussing the blogger's website ... reading the "story"

:waitasec: But weren't those "stories" deleted ?


Pat Brown on ...

Public does not know what LE knows -- statements of those in the house.

Should compare the statements and look for deception.

"Young people" at house and children went to bed at 10:00 pm -- does not know "young people" who go to bed that early ...

Hearing "teeny pieces of story" -- not telling her a lot.

Does not make sense of an "abductor" coming to house with MANY people in home.


Levi : it's a small house -- so many people -- what are chances someone to go in house and take child ?


Whew ... I hope I got that right ... if not please correct.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Levi Show :

Levi : "odd" -- criticizing Justin for not coming out publicly right away ... releasing written statements were about ME ME ME !

Nothing about Ayla -- he struck Levi as "narcissistic" ...


Pat : Justin's Statement "red flags" ...

Polygraph -- creepy -- he "SMOKED IT" ...


Levi : Results of poly.


Pat: Justin "cleverly worded" his comments about the poly. Pat says he was TOLD -- does NOT want to tell PUBLIC -- LE probaly told Justin he was deceptive.

How would he know he "SMOKED TEST" ?


Pat : Trista took test -- stopped test --


Levi : not suspicious of mother -- not in same area -- went to rehab -- wants child home -- tried to get custody -- worried about child's welfare in Justin's home.


Pat : Trista has problems ... saying she has "drug problem" ...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Levi Show :

Pat : regarding Trista -Justin NOT pointing finger at her ...

LE searching rivers ...

LE made statement that child was 'taken from the house' -- says LE is pointing this at Justin -- Child not abducted -- but TAKEN from home by Justin.


Levi : Talking about Justin's comments regarding Nancy Grace -- ALL ABOUT HIM !


Pat : LE looking at JD -- NOT looking for a "kidnapper" ...


Levi : Searching water.


TY Levi ... TY Pat ...

I hope I got this right ...


Levi on tomorrow night.


:seeya:

 

[Helenstreet]

There is a new article out but I don't think I can give the link because it is a Yahoo contributor.

If you google the following you should be able to find it.
Is Ayla Reynolds Victim of Illegal Custody Grab

Thank you for the information regarding the new article. Did you notice the part about the state police giving Trista the "green light" for the timeline she posted on her website? Very interesting....

 

[askfornina]

Trista did an interview today with Boston.com

Do you have a link? Can't find this

 

[naturallyme]

Thank you for the information regarding the new article. Did you notice the part about the state police giving Trista the "green light" for the timeline she posted on her website? Very interesting....

I sure did notice, and I am wondering if it is true. If true, it is interesting indeed.

Also Trista's Ayla site now says the Timeline will be taking down tomorrow. Don't know what to make of that, but at least she gave notice and didn't just password protect it. If LE gave their approval, could it have been that they did not want to give out info. but wanted the info. out there? So many possibles, not enough answers.

 

[tamild]

Does anyone else find it strange that during the "Family Team Meeting" Jessica had an attorney present, but Trista had no one representing her interests? or why the "agreement" was for Justin to release Ayla to Trista at Jessica's apartment, when in the "food for thought" section it makes reference to an apartment belonging to Trista? Also, when the CPS supervisor called, Jessica "refused to give Ayla over to a man who had been a stranger all of her life". What was Jessica's end-game? Did she think the CPS worker would just let the matter drop?

Looking at the timeline and thinking back to what has been said, I'm seriously thinking that Trista and Justin may have just been puppets in this whole custody dispute, and that the real custody battle was between Jessica and Phoebe.

MOO

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

If JD is lying about any of Ayla's injuries, LE will be able to determine that pretty easily. The ball pit claim can be easily verified (or debunked). There is only one CC in Maine, in Portland. Does it have a ball pit? No. Well, there you go. LE will have access to receipts from JD cc and bank accounts. Were they even at CC on the day in question? What about footage from the restaurant? Those places are heavily monitored. One way or another, LE knows (or will soon know) if that is a lie. TR also states that she has pictures of the injuries. If this is true, and they are not able to confirm JD story of how they occurred then they know a crime (child abuse) took place. LE also has JD's exact, direct statement as to how the injuries occurred. If they determine he has lied, that is false statements to the police.

As far as the broken arm, again, LE would be able to determine the exact date by the medical records. They would be able to get grocery store security footage to confirm or deny if he would have in fact been carrying groceries. Did he bring Ayla to the store with him? Do his bank records or cc confirm a trip to the grocery store? Did his instructors at the college remember him attending class the day after the accident? LE has the answers to all of these questions.

Trust me, they are researching every claim and attempting to find evidence for every detail of each involved party's claims. LE is going to look at the family that were in that house first. They have NOT been able to rule them out and I personally have noticed a slight, um, cooling, towards JD and his family in the latest statements. The whole issue with the LDT for one.

I think that they are still searching for Ayla furiously, as they should, and I pray they find her soon, but they are also looking to build a case. I think they have a primary suspect, even if they have not named him. Just moo....


Just a quick afterthought...my daughter was born on the same day as sweet Ayla and they have very similar names. My girl even has those same green pjs we have come to know so well...this story is breaking my heart. I didn't want to believe anything bad of the dad at first and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, you know what made me think something was "hinky" with the dad? The ball pit story. I would never put my daughter in a ball pit alone at her age. The pits are at least two feet deep. She would be up to her chest and would have difficulty moving. They are not designed for children her and Ayla's age, without a parent being in there with them. They could go under the balls and be stepped on. But, I KNOW that chuckie cheese removed all their ball pits in the early 2000's so, the story is factually impossible.

Hi Maedlamsmom!
I so agree with all your points made here. However, a few threads back it was discussed regarding CC and ball pits...and it seems that there is at least one CC in Maine that still has ball pits, even though ball pits were supposedly "outlawed" in 2000. IIRC..there was even an advertisement from a CC that still announces having the ball pit. Maybe the news hadn't reached them yet?:innocent:
Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong?

 

[naturallyme]

Does anyone else find it strange that during the "Family Team Meeting" Jessica had an attorney present, but Trista had no one representing her interests? or why the "agreement" was for Justin to release Ayla to Trista at Jessica's apartment, when in the "food for thought" section it makes reference to an apartment belonging to Trista? Also, when the CPS supervisor called, Jessica "refused to give Ayla over to a man who had been a stranger all of her life". What was Jessica's end-game? Did she think the CPS worker would just let the matter drop?

Looking at the timeline and thinking back to what has been said, I'm seriously thinking that Trista and Justin may have just been puppets in this whole custody dispute, and that the real custody battle was between Jessica and Phoebe.

MOO

I did pick up on that, and also thought it odd. I have thought that possibly Trista could not afford an attorney, but Jessica was financially able. Could Jessica have got the attorney for both Trista and herself and they worded it that way since Jessica was paying the bill.

You have a point, was Jessica doing a lot of the care giving all along, and really attached to the child as more than her Aunt, or did Jessica perhaps know more of Justins background than we do. Perhaps she didn't think that Ayla was in an ideal situation with Trista, but thought it could/would be worse with Justin. Perhaps she was just trying to protect a child that she cared for.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Kiln Wood]

I wish I didn't feel so certain that something happened to Ayla before December 16th. The more I read the harder it becomes to believe that Ayla could be alive and safely hidden away with the approval of JD. Doesn't sound like he has any financial means to make such risky secretive arrangements. I wonder if child support obligations become unenforceable if said child goes "missing".

MOO

BBM

In certain cultures, even in the U.S, one does not need "financial means" to make "secretive arrangements"--and such arrangements are by no means "risky." I am not arguing, I am merely expressing my opinion which has been formed over time by exposure to other cultures which have deep roots in the U.S; there are various lands where federal, state, and local laws do not apply. I am not implying, inferring, or stating this is the case with JD and/or his family and friends, I am merely suggesting this may be a possibility to be considered.