ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 6

[maedlamsmom]

Hi Maedlamsmom!
I so agree with all your points made here. However, a few threads back it was discussed regarding CC and ball pits...and it seems that there is at least one CC in Maine that still has ball pits, even though ball pits were supposedly "outlawed" in 2000. IIRC..there was even an advertisement from a CC that still announces having the ball pit. Maybe the news hadn't reached them yet?:innocent:
Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong?

You had me doubting myself there! :seeya: I had been there a few years back, but most of that day was a blur of bad pizza and sugar-hyped kids...so, I called them. The number listed on the website only directs you to the main reservation line. I had to get the direct number to actually speak to an employee of that particular Portland location. Very friendly by the way... They DO NOT HAVE A BALL PIT. And, there are no other locations in Maine, according to both their website and my search of business directories online. I also have some friends who are locals and they assure me that the only CEC that they know of is in Portland, and certainly it is the closest one to Waterville (JD would have otherwise had to travel into NH or Mass...).

So, to me someone is lying. Either JD lied to TR (and if so, I can only hope he was stupid enough to repeat this lie to LE) or TR is lying about the excuse JD gave her about Ayla's injuries. All moo...

ETA: just reread over your post...I will read over that thread again (if I can find it, you guys have been busy!). But, I called the location again, and they said that the Portland location is the only one they know of, too. Maybe it is an unlicensed or not-franchised branch?

 

[Helenstreet]

You had me doubting myself there! :seeya: I had been there a few years back, but most of that day was a blur of bad pizza and sugar-hyped kids...so, I called them. The number listed on the website only directs you to the main reservation line. I had to get the direct number to actually speak to an employee of that particular Portland location. Very friendly by the way... They DO NOT HAVE A BALL PIT. And, there are no other locations in Maine, according to both their website and my search of business directories online. I also have some friends who are locals and they assure me that the only CEC that they know of is in Portland, and certainly it is the closest one to Waterville (JD would have otherwise had to travel into NH or Mass...).

So, to me someone is lying. Either JD lied to TR (and if so, I can only hope he was stupid enough to repeat this lie to LE) or TR is lying about the excuse JD gave her about Ayla's injuries. All moo...

ETA: just reread over your post...I will read over that thread again (if I can find it, you guys have been busy!). But, I called the location again, and they said that the Portland location is the only one they know of, too. Maybe it is an unlicensed or not-franchised branch?

Dang it all.....I wonder if JP's buddy AH is going to get all bent out of shape now that someone on the internet confirmed that the Chuck E. Cheese in Maine doesn't have a ball pit! Poor, poor JP--we should all just leave him alone! BTW, I think that we can eliminate the possibility that TR is lying about JD's excuse that Ayla sustained facial bruises from fighting with two boys in a ball pit at Chuck E. Cheese. It is something that she stated earlier on, and I don't see any motive for her making something like that up. JMO.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

BBM

And I wonder if this credible alibi and the who of her credible alibi lead to Ayla's present whereabouts? Based on what I perceive to be the constantly shifting sands of the information released to the public about Ayla's being missing, it certainly is not beyond the realm of possibility that if PD's alibi has been verified without additional questions being asked that something vitally important has been inadvertently overlooked.

I had suggested in an earlier post on Thread No. 5 that there are a lot of people who "mind their own business" and will provide only the EXACT answer to the question being asked; I had also stated this is a version of the "don't ask, don't tell" scenario that has been featured very prominently in MSM in the last several years.

In no way am I not supporting LE efforts to find Ayla--particularly in the weather conditions in which they have had to work.

BBM: I am "confused" ... :waitasec: lol ... Do you think that Phoebe D has "something" to do with Ayla being missing ? Or, do you think she is "covering" for someone ?

JMO but I think she is covering BIG TIME for Justin -- and possibly others ...


Here is my :twocents: FWIW ...

First, Phoebe tells the MSM that there was "no party" at her house and she "did not hear anything" that night.

Then, Phoebe changes her story to the MSM and says that she was NOT home that night and was at another location.

So ... my question is WHAT did Phoebe tell LE ? Did she change her story with LE ? or just the MSM ?

When Phoebe tells LE that she was NOT at home that night -- you can bet your boots they are going to want AN ALIBI who Phoebe was with that night ... and IF that does not "check out" -- they would be "all over her" ...

So ... was she "working" [which would be easily verified] ... was with someone [which may or may not be checking out] ... was she at a place where there were "video cameras" that recorded her being there -- which would be verified ...

So WHERE was Phoebe ? Phoebe CHANGES her story -- so WHO is she covering for and WHY ?

JMO but it is obvious to me WHO she is "covering for" -- her son Justin ... :waitasec: or maybe one of her other children ?

MOO ...

 

[naturallyme]

You had me doubting myself there! :seeya: I had been there a few years back, but most of that day was a blur of bad pizza and sugar-hyped kids...so, I called them. The number listed on the website only directs you to the main reservation line. I had to get the direct number to actually speak to an employee of that particular Portland location. Very friendly by the way... They DO NOT HAVE A BALL PIT. And, there are no other locations in Maine, according to both their website and my search of business directories online. I also have some friends who are locals and they assure me that the only CEC that they know of is in Portland, and certainly it is the closest one to Waterville (JD would have otherwise had to travel into NH or Mass...).

So, to me someone is lying. Either JD lied to TR (and if so, I can only hope he was stupid enough to repeat this lie to LE) or TR is lying about the excuse JD gave her about Ayla's injuries. All moo...

ETA: just reread over your post...I will read over that thread again (if I can find it, you guys have been busy!). But, I called the location again, and they said that the Portland location is the only one they know of, too. Maybe it is an unlicensed or not-franchised branch?

Thank you, thank you, thank you. After reading this discussion last night, I went to bed thinking, someone needs to either go or call CEC. You did just that, thanks!

 

[maedlamsmom]

This is probably going to make me wildly unpopular...but, I didn't get the impression that PD intentionally "changed her story". When she first stated that there wasn't a party that night and that she didn't hear anything, I know that it could be interpreted as she was implying that she was PRESENT at the home that night. But, I really don't think she intended to give that implication. To me she sounded like an unsophisticated and anxious person, who was trying to say what she could in defense of her son, despite the fact that she didn't have first hand knowledge of the events. I think she had probably been prepped beforehand to be vague and give very little concrete information, and the questions caught her off guard. To me, this was her thought process:

Question - was there a party?
Thought - JD told me there was no party, I want to believe him and I want the public to know this for sure. So, I will just say, "no, there was no party."
Question -did you hear anything?
Thought - oh carp! If I say now I wasn't there then it takes credence away from the no party assertion. But, aha, if I say, I didn't hear anything, that's not a lie. Right? I didn't hear anything from x miles away at my as-yet-unnamed-location...

It was stupid of her and I am sure she realized soon afterward, especially with all the negative backlash, just how stupid and shortsighted the statements were, hence the "clarification". But, I don't think she necessarily went in there and intended to lie or had the plan to put one over on everyone. Just moo...

So, I don't think she gave this version to LE, bc they would have asked her outright, "where were you on the night in question?" :twocents:

I think some of it needs to be chalked up to bad reporter questions/editing, as well...

It also leads me to believe that they didn't have a lawyer prior to that appearance, if they do now...

Okay, be gentle...

 

[cityslick]

This is probably going to make me wildly unpopular...but, I didn't get the impression that PD intentionally "changed her story". When she first stated that there wasn't a party that night and that she didn't hear anything, I know that it could be interpreted as she was implying that she was PRESENT at the home that night. But, I really don't think she intended to give that implication. To me she sounded like an unsophisticated and anxious person, who was trying to say what she could in defense of her son, despite the fact that she didn't have first hand knowledge of the events. I think she had probably been prepped beforehand to be vague and give very little concrete information, and the questions caught her off guard. To me, this was her thought process:

Question - was there a party?
Thought - JD told me there was no party, I want to believe him and I want the public to know this for sure. So, I will just say, "no, there was no party."
Question -did you hear anything?
Thought - oh carp! If I say now I wasn't there then it takes credence away from the no party assertion. But, aha, if I say, I didn't hear anything, that's not a lie. Right? I didn't hear anything from x miles away at my as-yet-unnamed-location...

It was stupid of her and I am sure she realized soon afterward, especially with all the negative backlash, just how stupid and shortsighted the statements were, hence the "clarification". But, I don't think she necessarily went in there and intended to lie or had the plan to put one over on everyone. Just moo...

So, I don't think she gave this version to LE, bc they would have asked her outright, "where were you on the night in question?" :twocents:

I think some of it needs to be chalked up to bad reporter questions/editing, as well...

It also leads me to believe that they didn't have a lawyer prior to that appearance, if they do now...

Okay, be gentle...

I agree with you. It obviously weighed on her because a few days after she sought out the same report to make the record straight. And that reporter did mention that (to her) she sounded sincere in her apology. It also makes me think that LE always knew she was never in the house from the get go.

 

[matou]

Okey dokie then, no ball pit so that story is bs. Ayla had bruises on her face and the explanation for this was that she was fighting with another child in the ball pit (I think Ayla would have been 18-19 months old!)? Where did we hear this from? Trista's siter? Justin's response to him being causing any abuse is "ludicrous".

This is all very strange. Did the CEC EVER have a ball pit? No one from Trista's side of the family seemed to know that CEC did not have a ball pit. Someone is lying about this, that's a given.

 

[matou]

The more I think about it, this boring Friday night, going to bed at 10 ish with the toddlers is an alibi. Kids in bed and asleep (I'm assuming) by 10 pm would make for a very quiet household. I doubt the adults would want to make much noise in case they woke up the little ones. This scenario is completely unbelievable to me. What happened to the reports that there were people going in and out of there that night?

Extra questions: how is JD making money? Does he have a job? He has a truck and needs to fill it up with gas and go and see his girlfriend in Portland every once in awhile. Isn't it one hour away from Waterville? How is he sustaining himself and Ayla? IF he has no income (not sure if he has a job), how did he get custody of Ayla?

 

[naturallyme]

This is probably going to make me wildly unpopular...but, I didn't get the impression that PD intentionally "changed her story". When she first stated that there wasn't a party that night and that she didn't hear anything, I know that it could be interpreted as she was implying that she was PRESENT at the home that night. But, I really don't think she intended to give that implication. To me she sounded like an unsophisticated and anxious person, who was trying to say what she could in defense of her son, despite the fact that she didn't have first hand knowledge of the events. I think she had probably been prepped beforehand to be vague and give very little concrete information, and the questions caught her off guard. To me, this was her thought process:

Question - was there a party?
Thought - JD told me there was no party, I want to believe him and I want the public to know this for sure. So, I will just say, "no, there was no party."
Question -did you hear anything?
Thought - oh carp! If I say now I wasn't there then it takes credence away from the no party assertion. But, aha, if I say, I didn't hear anything, that's not a lie. Right? I didn't hear anything from x miles away at my as-yet-unnamed-location...

It was stupid of her and I am sure she realized soon afterward, especially with all the negative backlash, just how stupid and shortsighted the statements were, hence the "clarification". But, I don't think she necessarily went in there and intended to lie or had the plan to put one over on everyone. Just moo...

So, I don't think she gave this version to LE, bc they would have asked her outright, "where were you on the night in question?" :twocents:

I think some of it needs to be chalked up to bad reporter questions/editing, as well...

It also leads me to believe that they didn't have a lawyer prior to that appearance, if they do now...

Okay, be gentle...

I have thought along the same lines as you posted. You know, the Mother that her child can do no wrong, believes everything they say even if it defies reason.

I have also thought that she was behind Justin going to get Ayla in the first place. I don't think she thought it would turn out like it has. I think that she could have been the one financially supporting that whole family. She has 3 adult children and none of them may be kicking in any dollars to help out. I feel she may have been paying Justin's child support and felt it would be cheaper to get Ayla, then Justin could even ask for and get child support from Trista. If she was paying the child support, it could have added to the tension (how dare Trista go get a pedicure with the money I am paying for Ayla).

I am only speculating, using things I have seen or heard in my own area.
Notice I also said don't think she thought it would turn out this way. I don't think she had anything at all to do with disappearance or accident or whatever happened. She perhaps feels all kinds of guilt at pushing for the change. Now, that this has happened, though she is protecting her children.

Not accusing, not saying this is what happened, just thoughts.

 

[maedlamsmom]

Extra questions: how is JD making money? Does he have a job? He has a truck and needs to fill it up with gas and go and see his girlfriend in Portland every once in awhile. Isn't it one hour away from Waterville? How is he sustaining himself and Ayla? IF he has no income (not sure if he has a job), how did he get custody of Ayla?

Respectfully snipped...
Those are GREAT questions. I would love to know what he does for a living, or if he had not found employment since the move back to Waterville, what he was doing in Portland. Even the friend's "blog" focused on the girlfriend's upward trajectory (schooling, etc) rather than give any details about JD. True, he is still young and the unemployment rate in ME is staggering, but, you would think there would be some mention, somewhere...especially, when faced with possible child support payments looming. It must have been an issue between him and his mom, who appeared to be housing two of her grown children (both parents themselves).

 

[Sparklin]

JMO, it is ridiculous for JD to say he doesn't know if his sister and/or girlfriend took lie detector tests...

Maybe he feels that saying 'I don't know' is nicer than saying 'none of your business'???

 

[hambirg]

Just some of my thoughts. . .

First, the blogger is a liar. She didn't change the original (reads like a romance novel) version with all the details from ED finding Ayla to ED finding Ayla and telling CR, so that CR could tell JD. What she did was change it to CR discovered Ayla was missing. So which version is it; the first, the second or the new third? It seems to me that if they are telling the truth about what happened it wouldn't be that hard to remember who discovered Ayla was gone.

Second, I think it's prudent to watch LE's behavior. Early on they searched a dumpster at a hotel. . .correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that was peculiar. Now I'm wondering if they knew PD was staying there that night. If she was, that seems odd too. I could see if she had a bf that she usually stayed with over the weekends, but a hotel? Why would she be at a hotel? Seems a little convenient. Who knows if she did, but they searched there for a reason and I can't think of any other reasonable explanation.

Third, about that window. I don't think LE thinks there was ever an intruder. I think it was Pat Brown that said on Levi Page last night that they aren't looking for a kidnapper by searching the river. I agree. When they were investigating that window they had some kind of survey equipment set up in the neighbor's yard. . .I assume that is to check angles. I'm fairly confident that window looks into the kitchen. That makes me think that maybe somebody saw something through that window. Was LE checking to see if that is possible? Idk.

MOO

 

[hambirg]

I agree with you. It obviously weighed on her because a few days after she sought out the same report to make the record straight. And that reporter did mention that (to her) she sounded sincere in her apology. It also makes me think that LE always knew she was never in the house from the get go.

I'm sure LE knew she wasn't there from the beginning. But the question still is why even bother to get entangled in interviews implying you were there, if you weren't? Why not say you weren't there? Why not say "I can't tell you anything about what happened that night because I wasn't there. If you want to know what happened that night you will have to ask somebody that WAS there." And that last one is exactly why I think she had the dilemma she did. She's protecting her children. JMHO.

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe he feels that saying 'I don't know' is nicer than saying 'none of your business'???

I think he is lying, which is never the best option. Why not say "ask them?" Or "it's not my place to answer for them." His saying he doesn't know if his sister or girlfriend took LD tests defies belief, and makes him (IMO) sound like a liar. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

I'm sure LE knew she wasn't there from the beginning. But the question still is why even bother to get entangled in interviews implying you were there, if you weren't? Why not say you weren't there? Why not say "I can't tell you anything about what happened that night because I wasn't there. If you want to know what happened that night you will have to ask somebody that WAS there." And that last one is exactly why I think she had the dilemma she did. She's protecting her children. JMHO.

JD's mother should not have been talking about that night at all, if she was not there. What use were her opinions about what was or wasn't happening at the house on that night, what was or was not heard? She totally made it appear that she WAS there to the public; Why? We have not heard from anyone else who wasn't there, so why did she feel the need to act deceptive to the media about it?

 

[Helenstreet]

Okey dokie then, no ball pit so that story is bs. Ayla had bruises on her face and the explanation for this was that she was fighting with another child in the ball pit (I think Ayla would have been 18-19 months old!)? Where did we hear this from? Trista's siter? Justin's response to him being causing any abuse is "ludicrous".

This is all very strange. Did the CEC EVER have a ball pit? No one from Trista's side of the family seemed to know that CEC did not have a ball pit. Someone is lying about this, that's a given.

It may sound pretty stupid, but I had to ask my husband if the Chuck E. Cheese here in Portland, Oregon has a ball pit. Yep, I am the mother of four children too. I have been to Chuck E. Cheese several times, (although I can't stand the chaotic atmosphere and avoid the place if I can). My eight and four year old boys LOVE the place of course. But for a toddler--not so great, in my opinion. Also, it is possible that Trista and/or her siblings--since they seem to have very young children--simply haven't been to the only Chuck E. Cheese in Maine; besides, it can get pretty pricey by the time you add up the cost of food, drinks, and tokens.

 

[SurfieTX]

On Nancy's FB right now http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN:

Nancy Grace
Baby Ayla’s mom says she thinks the toddler is alive and holding on but then mommy reportedly is unable to finish a lie detector test, saying the examiner halted the test because she had a medical condition! Meanwhile, baby Ayla’s father reportedly confirms he has taken a polygraph and police say they’ve told him the results, but he wants to see the physical test results himself. Why does he need to see the test results? Call me now with your question: 877-NANCY-01

 

[dog.gone.cute]

This is probably going to make me wildly unpopular...but, I didn't get the impression that PD intentionally "changed her story".

Okay, be gentle...

Snipped and BBM:

:seeya: I will be as "gentle as a lamb" ...lol... :innocent:

JMO ... but I think Phoebe was intentionally HIDING something ... IF someone is telling the TRUTH, then there is no reason for changing their story ... the truth NEVER changes.

JMO ... but PD looked extremely uncomfortable and did NOT want to do those interviews.


Here's another "snippet" from Phoebe that sent my "radar" up :

http://www.necn.com/pages/video?PID=...hYNAfkVBVlyyM8

Jan.8th 2012 NECN interview with PD:

Q: You didn't hear any noise?
PD: I did not hear anything.
Q: When you found out that she wasn't there, what did you think?
PD: I thought that I didn't want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her.


RBM: Phoebe's "response" makes NO SENSE -- the "Question" is about Ayla being "missing" -- NOT "what" her son -- oh, and his "friends" -- MIGHT do.

JMO ... but NO ONE in the DiPietro family has put little Ayla FIRST ! Ayla is the VICTIM -- she is MISSING -- she is probably not here on this earth any more !

And all the D's do is worry about their "image" ... :furious: JMO ... but this family could "care less" about Ayla !

Also ... there is just something about this "kicking in doors" that just does not "ring right" with me ... In other words, for Phoebe to say this about her son, she KNOWS this is something he HAS done in the past -- and -- that he has a TEMPER. Otherwise, Phoebe would not have "described" this sort of a scenario.

:waitasec: I sure would like to know WHEN Phoebe found out that Ayla was missing ... and WHO told her.

JMO ... but Phoebe KNOWS SOMETHING ...

MOO ...

 

[Donjeta]

This is probably going to make me wildly unpopular...but, I didn't get the impression that PD intentionally "changed her story". When she first stated that there wasn't a party that night and that she didn't hear anything, I know that it could be interpreted as she was implying that she was PRESENT at the home that night. But, I really don't think she intended to give that implication. To me she sounded like an unsophisticated and anxious person, who was trying to say what she could in defense of her son, despite the fact that she didn't have first hand knowledge of the events. I think she had probably been prepped beforehand to be vague and give very little concrete information, and the questions caught her off guard. To me, this was her thought process:

Question - was there a party?

Thought - JD told me there was no party, I want to believe him and I want the public to know this for sure. So, I will just say, "no, there was no party."
Question -did you hear anything?
Thought - oh carp! If I say now I wasn't there then it takes credence away from the no party assertion. But, aha, if I say, I didn't hear anything, that's not a lie. Right? I didn't hear anything from x miles away at my as-yet-unnamed-location...

It was stupid of her and I am sure she realized soon afterward, especially with all the negative backlash, just how stupid and shortsighted the statements were, hence the "clarification". But, I don't think she necessarily went in there and intended to lie or had the plan to put one over on everyone. Just moo...

So, I don't think she gave this version to LE, bc they would have asked her outright, "where were you on the night in question?" :twocents:

I think some of it needs to be chalked up to bad reporter questions/editing, as well...

It also leads me to believe that they didn't have a lawyer prior to that appearance, if they do now...

Okay, be gentle...

JMO, but I think she knew exactly what impression she was giving.

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/vide...-special-ayla-reynolds-grandmother-speaks.cnn

"And for anyone who thinks that anyone here in this house that night had anything to do with it..."

"No, we did not."
...
That "we" puts her firmly in the house that night.

"There is no accident that could have happened that night... among anyone here....you... Justin"

"No"

That question was her cue that she had given the impression that she was at home that night and this is where she should have given the clarification.

She did not.

 

[HiHater]

Okey dokie then, no ball pit so that story is bs. Ayla had bruises on her face and the explanation for this was that she was fighting with another child in the ball pit (I think Ayla would have been 18-19 months old!)? Where did we hear this from? Trista's siter? Justin's response to him being causing any abuse is "ludicrous".

This is all very strange. Did the CEC EVER have a ball pit? No one from Trista's side of the family seemed to know that CEC did not have a ball pit. Someone is lying about this, that's a given.

I'm sorry, I think the ball pit story was probably lost in translation. JD probably did tell TR that Ayla got hurt at CEC, but I have a hard time believing he said it happened in the ball pit if there wasn't one. Perhaps there is something similar to a ball pit---a little bounce house that has balls in it or similar.

Also, without knowing how big or where the bruises were, it's a stretch to accuse JD of causing them. He is a grown man, appears large in stature, so bruising caused by him would be different of bruises caused by a kid. With regard to this, I say pics or it happened the way JD said it did, at CEC and at the hands of another child--- JMO