ME ME - Ayla Reynolds, 20 mnths, Waterville, 17 December 2011 - # 8

[Dionysia]

Doh! Thanks, titanfan. I clearly need more coffee.

 

[SmoothOperator]

The big question for me is NOT are those present at the Dipietro house directly involved in Ayla's death.. I know that answer using nothing more than "common sense".. Moo..

The question for me is what caused her death that would make all 4 adults(u better believe momma Dipietro KNOWS WHAT OCCURRED IN *HER*HOUSE TO HER *GRANDDAUGHTER*) find their only option in their best interest be to cover it up.. Without knowing more about the family it's hard to speculate if strictly blood ties are strong and deep enough for 3 of those adults to keep quiet.. I will say that most times no matter the depth of those blood ties there does come a point if LE tightens the screws enough that their own self preservation wins out over their blood relatives and their loyalty to that/those relative(s).. At this point I personally do not believe we've reached a level of LE tightening the screws to where the familial loyalties are being tested.. Yet..

And since that's my opinion regarding the 3 blood related individuals that segues into the remaining individual that is in no way whatsoever blood related or kin in any way to the other 3 individuals.. CR.. She stands out for many reasons but the only reason I find to be relevant is that there are no loyalties between her and ATLEAST 2 of the 3 other adults..
Meaning I don't care if CR and ED were childhood friends(and nothing remotely indicAting they were).. My point is that even if they were still with the situation at hand there are no loyalties between CR, ED, and PD.. That tells me that What happened to Ayla was not at the hand of CR, alone.. Or ATLEAST that as far as ED and PD's knowledge of Ayla's death they are not under the impression that her death was NOT by CR's hand alone.. And in this theory by knowledge I mean that ED and PD would not have been present to witness the death therefor their knowledge would be only via JD and CR's "account" of what happened to Ayla.. In other words they are of the belief that both Justin and Courtney are directly responsible therefor by proxy Courtney is covered by the blood loyalty..

To go it a step further in looking at where the loyalties lie btwn JD and CR alone. It's my opinion that the loyalty by either of these individuals is not strong enough to cause one who was not directly involved to "cover" for the one who is directly involved.. That goes both ways IMO.. IOW they wouldn't allow either of themselves to hang out to dry just for the others benefit.. Moo..*

Therefor I believe that it's very possible that what occurred to Ayla directly involved BOTH JD AND CR.. (and I will not go into detail on what my present theories are for exactly what that direct involvement entailed resulting in Ayla's death, disposal, and cover up.. That is for another post entirely)..

What leads me to believe that this described above is quite likely is in focusing on the 4 adults that IMO are involved directly/indirectly(including if even after the fact knowledge of Ayla's death).. In analyzing the extreme and dire situation that this has become(and I say that because in no way do I believe those involved ever dreamed in their wildest of imaginations that this is what would become of Ayla's *disappearance*.. Huge nationwide coverage and interest).. And in such a dire situation how very quickly that allegiances, loyalties, or being "in love".. How quickly all of that fades away and self preservation prevails.. IMO as far as CR is concerned, her being the lone individual responsible for Ayla's death.. Well.. Her loyalties and allegiances would have long since faded from Justin and co.. And they would have spilled those beans fairly early on.. And vice versa the exact same is true for Courtney's allegiances/loyalties to any of the 3 Dipietros.. Had Courtney had no involvement in the death she would have long since spilled the beans on whichever of the Dipietros that she had knowledge of being responsible for Ayla's death... And in going with that as the premise that leaves the only possibility as BOTH JD AND CR ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN AYLA's DEATH..

And to this point IMO LE has not tightened the screws to the level where strong blood loyalties would fade into desperation of self preservance.. Therefor the loyalties still intact cover both JD and CR at this point with ED and PD continuing the "cover up".. Keep your mouth shut mode.. Jmo, of course..

I do personally believe there will indeed come a time when LE both turns up the heat as well as truly tightens the screws on these 4adults.. IMO its only then that we will see the self preservation win out over blood loyalties for either or both, ED and PD..

Jmo, tho!

 

[thumbtack]

The big question for me is NOT are those present at the Dipietro house directly involved in Ayla's death.. I know that answer using nothing more than "common sense".. Moo..

The question for me is what caused her death that would make all 4 adults(u better believe momma Dipietro KNOWS WHAT OCCURRED IN *HER*HOUSE TO HER *GRANDDAUGHTER*) find their only option in their best interest be to cover it up.. Without knowing more about the family it's hard to speculate if strictly blood ties are strong and deep enough for 3 of those adults to keep quiet.. I will say that most times no matter the depth of those blood ties there does come a point if LE tightens the screws enough that their own self preservation wins out over their blood relatives and their loyalty to that/those relative(s).. At this point I personally do not believe we've reached a level of LE tightening the screws to where the familial loyalties are being tested.. Yet..

And since that's my opinion regarding the 3 blood related individuals that segues into the remaining individual that is in no way whatsoever blood related or kin in any way to the other 3 individuals.. CR.. She stands out for many reasons but the only reason I find to be relevant is that there are no loyalties between her and ATLEAST 2 of the 3 other adults..
Meaning I don't care if CR and ED were childhood friends(and nothing remotely indicAting they were).. My point is that even if they were still with the situation at hand there are no loyalties between CR, ED, and PD.. That tells me that What happened to Ayla was not at the hand of CR, alone.. Or ATLEAST that as far as ED and PD's knowledge of Ayla's death they are not under the impression that her death was NOT by CR's hand alone.. And in this theory by knowledge I mean that ED and PD would not have been present to witness the death therefor their knowledge would be only via JD and CR's "account" of what happened to Ayla.. In other words they are of the belief that both Justin and Courtney are directly responsible therefor by proxy Courtney is covered by the blood loyalty..

To go it a step further in looking at where the loyalties lie btwn JD and CR alone. It's my opinion that the loyalty by either of these individuals is not strong enough to cause one who was not directly involved to "cover" for the one who is directly involved.. That goes both ways IMO.. IOW they wouldn't allow either of themselves to hang out to dry just for the others benefit.. Moo..*

Therefor I believe that it's very possible that what occurred to Ayla directly involved BOTH JD AND CR.. (and I will not go into detail on what my present theories are for exactly what that direct involvement entailed resulting in Ayla's death, disposal, and cover up.. That is for another post entirely)..

What leads me to believe that this described above is quite likely is in focusing on the 4 adults that IMO are involved directly/indirectly(including if even after the fact knowledge of Ayla's death).. In analyzing the extreme and dire situation that this has become(and I say that because in no way do I believe those involved ever dreamed in their wildest of imaginations that this is what would become of Ayla's *disappearance*.. Huge nationwide coverage and interest).. And in such a dire situation how very quickly that allegiances, loyalties, or being "in love".. How quickly all of that fades away and self preservation prevails.. IMO as far as CR is concerned, her being the lone individual responsible for Ayla's death.. Well.. Her loyalties and allegiances would have long since faded from Justin and co.. And they would have spilled those beans fairly early on.. And vice versa the exact same is true for Courtney's allegiances/loyalties to any of the 3 Dipietros.. Had Courtney had no involvement in the death she would have long since spilled the beans on whichever of the Dipietros that she had knowledge of being responsible for Ayla's death... And in going with that as the premise that leaves the only possibility as BOTH JD AND CR ARE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN AYLA's DEATH..

And to this point IMO LE has not tightened the screws to the level where strong blood loyalties would fade into desperation of self preservance.. Therefor the loyalties still intact cover both JD and CR at this point with ED and PD continuing the "cover up".. Keep your mouth shut mode.. Jmo, of course..

I do personally believe there will indeed come a time when LE both turns up the heat as well as truly tightens the screws on these 4adults.. IMO its only then that we will see the self preservation win out over blood loyalties for either or both, ED and PD..

Jmo, tho!

Isn't it time LE tightened the screws on the 4 adults? As time goes on, forensic evidence is being lost.

 

[Breazy]

I'm mostly just a lurker here but have followed every post. Just wanted to post the following from the Bangor Daily News posted just upthread.

“We continue to encourage the immediate family to keep Ayla in the headlines and to talk about her,” McCausland said. “One side is doing that, and the other side is not.”

http://api.viglink.com/api/click?fo...la-reynolds/&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13294312598233

Thank you all for your thought provoking posts that keeps those of us that can't be here much in the know.

 

[cluciano63]

It is a shame that one side of Ayla's family, the side claiming to be the victims of her abduction from their very home, have so little to say on her behalf...clearly, they cannot use the excuse that LE does not want them to speak out about Ayla. Personally, I cannot imagine a scenario where I was totally innocent and naive about what happened, as some believe the sister might be, and not speaking out about my missing niece. JMO

 

[katydid23]

It is a shame that one side of Ayla's family, the side claiming to be the victims of her abduction from their very home, have so little to say on her behalf...clearly, they cannot use the excuse that LE does not want them to speak out about Ayla. Personally, I cannot imagine a scenario where I was totally innocent and naive about what happened, as some believe the sister might be, and not speaking out about my missing niece. JMO

I think she is afraid to speak out. imo. I don't think she was involved in the disappearance of her niece, but I think she is scared of those who were.

 

[cluciano63]

I think she is afraid to speak out. imo. I don't think she was involved in the disappearance of her niece, but I think she is scared of those who were.

I am lacking sympathy, if that is the case. If people were around this household who are so dangerous so as to scare her to the extent she won't tell what she knows about a missing baby, her niece, then she should not have been there with her baby. And if these so-called dangerous people think she knows, she is not safe anyway, she may as well try for protection from LE. Although I think the persons to fear are probably related to her. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I am lacking sympathy, if that is the case. If people were around this household who are so dangerous so as to scare her to the extent she won't tell what she knows about a missing baby, her niece, then she should not have been there with her baby. And if these so-called dangerous people think she knows, she is not safe anyway, she may as well try for protection from LE. Although I think the persons to fear are probably related to her. JMO

I think they are related to her too. I think she has two older brothers that she is afraid of, and a mother that she is afraid of too if she squeals on the brothers. imo

I lived in fear of my abusive relative for many years, and never reported his crimes because I was afraid of what my family would think.

ETA: Also, I think she is covering up an accidental death, and not a murder, imo.

 

[TorisMom003]

If the life insurance policy has sinister intent behind it, that would mean Justin planned to kill Ayla from the moment he got her?

So which is it, did he get her for the sole purpose of killing her---or did he get her so he wouldn't have to pay child support?

I personally don't subscribe to either theory, just wondering how others arrive at those conclusions...

IMO the two are not exclusive of each other. In order to kill Ayla he had to first get her in his home. He never wanted her in the first place and I doubt very seriously he wanted to pay child support when Trista refused to get an abortion. In order to no longer pay child support he gained physical custody of Ayla and then killed her. His problem is solved.......no kid and no child support. If he simply got Ayla so that he would no longer have to pay child support he would still have to pay out money when Trista took him to court for the custody battle. I'm sure that for him Ayla's death seemed like a win-win and the rate the investigation is going right now it appears that he very well may get away with it.

MOO

 

[Quizzical]

A missing persons case can convert to a homicide investigation within days of missing. However, that does not mean the surviving kin can lay a claim or receive a death certificate. This has to be determined by the state and the least amount I've seen someone declared deceased was a year and that was because they knew the person actually drowned and witnesses were present. (such as a boating accident, etc.) I also know that it has to pass through Federal channels, as well. With that said, nobody knows if the life insurance that JD "took out" also had any "accidental dismemberment" benefits. For example, my entire family is insured should we lose a limb, eyesight, etc. the premiums are higher, but we do not know anything except "life insurance" was taken out.

BBM. Okay, I hate to even write this. It makes me really sad to think about. If the life insurance policy had "accidental dismemberment" benefits, are you thinking the blood was from JD trying to stage some type of dismemberment accident and she ended up dying? Then they had to fake the abduction to cover it up. I haven't read all of the thread, so I don't know if the dismemberment thing had been discussed before, but it just jumped out at me when I read your post, especially after reading SmoothOperator's post about JD and his girlfriend likely being involved together. So sad to even think about.

 

[ThoughtFox]

BBM. Okay, I hate to even write this. It makes me really sad to think about. If the life insurance policy had "accidental dismemberment" benefits, are you thinking the blood was from JD trying to stage some type of dismemberment accident and she ended up dying? Then they had to fake the abduction to cover it up. I haven't read all of the thread, so I don't know if the dismemberment thing had been discussed before, but it just jumped out at me when I read your post, especially after reading SmoothOperator's post about JD and his girlfriend likely being involved together. So sad to even think about.

It's almost too horrible to contemplate. But even if that isn't the case, something really bad happened to the child because she's gone. And someone knows what happened and why there's blood in the basement.

I go back and forth about what actually happened. Before I knew about the Life Insurance, I thought it was possible that Ayla simply fell down the stairs and it wasn't planned.

Then when we knew more about the violence in the home (Mom talking about Justin kicking in doors and Lance attacking Gabby's father), I wondered if Ayla was killed in anger and then covered up by Justin alone or any combination of Justin/Courtney/Elisha/Mom.

Now that we know about the Life Insurance, it's possible he premeditated the murder and planned to call it an accident, then it became too gory or too implausible so he/they had to make the body disappear. Or he simply panicked and didn't want police to see the body.

Also, knowing that the Mom and others are apparently more concerned about his welfare than Ayla's, he might have convinced the rest of the family it was an accident even if he really killed the baby.

 

[mrsu]

I still haven't made my mind up about this case, but I think for many people it hinges on the fact of the blood found.

Can someone provide links with quotes FROM THE LE that have said what was found in relation to the blood? At this time, that is the only information I'm willing to accept as the truth at this time.

We've had Trista saying what she says LE told her. I've read 4 small speck were pointed out to Justin. I've read on the wall and ceiling. I've read there was evidence of a clean up. I've read it was more than what would come from a bloody nose. I don't care about any of those.

What I want to know is what exactly we have heard out of the mouths of LE?

 

[deoneta]

I still haven't made my mind up about this case, but I think for many people it hinges on the fact of the blood found.

Can someone provide links with quotes FROM THE LE that have said what was found in relation to the blood? At this time, that is the only information I'm willing to accept as the truth at this time.

We've had Trista saying what she says LE told her. I've read 4 small speck were pointed out to Justin. I've read on the wall and ceiling. I've read there was evidence of a clean up. I've read it was more than what would come from a bloody nose. I don't care about any of those.

What I want to know is what exactly we have heard out of the mouths of LE?

LE has said that blood was found in the basement. The last time they spoke on the subject, they said that tests remained to be completed on the rest of the blood samples. They confirmed it was Ayla's blood, and that it was more than would be produced by a small cut. McClausand called it "troubling". I'll look for the link and add later if I find it. All MOO.

ETA:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/30322519/detail.html

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

LE has said that blood was found in the basement. The last time they spoke on the subject, they said that tests remained to be completed on the rest of the blood samples. They confirmed it was Ayla's blood, and that it was more than would be produced by a small cut. McClausand called it "troubling". I'll look for the link and add later if I find it. All MOO.

ETA:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/30322519/detail.html

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html

I can say that I am in agreement with McClausand. It is troubling, it is more than a small cut would produce. Apparently JD is sayiing that she cut her foot one time...hence the reference from McClausand that the blood is more than a small cut.

 

[Yoda]

http://portlanddailysun.me/node/32328

This article says that witnesses saw Justin in Portland with two other men the night of Ayla's disappearance.

 

[tlcya]

I still haven't made my mind up about this case, but I think for many people it hinges on the fact of the blood found.

Can someone provide links with quotes FROM THE LE that have said what was found in relation to the blood? At this time, that is the only information I'm willing to accept as the truth at this time.

We've had Trista saying what she says LE told her. I've read 4 small speck were pointed out to Justin. I've read on the wall and ceiling. I've read there was evidence of a clean up. I've read it was more than what would come from a bloody nose. I don't care about any of those.

What I want to know is what exactly we have heard out of the mouths of LE?

Betting the timeline on this case will contain the exact quotes from le in regards to the blood. Dont have time to go pull the link o it just now but they say very little other than her blood was found. It had been cleaned up. It was "troubling". And it was more than a small cut or injury would produce.


Le has really said nothing else about the blood. That is all we really have to go on from le in regards to the blood evidence.

 

[tlcya]

http://www.todaysthv.com/news/article/196449/288/Missing-Maine-girls-parents-no-longer-speak

Two weeks ago, Trista Reynolds was defending Ayla's father, Justin DiPietro, saying he was the only other person who knew what it felt like to go day by day missing their daughter. Not anymore.

Reynolds says DiPietro is no longer speaking to her and the things she hears from police make her question. She says, "I want to, you know, keep defending him, but how can I do that if he's not even talking to me or just explaining things. It's just not right. Not right at all."

 

[tlcya]

The discovery of the blood, which McCausland termed “troubling,” http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrod...-police-say/4unF0Y9r1R2J9Ch9jgUioO/index.html

"The state crime lab confirms some of the blood samples are Ayla's," said Stephen McCausland, a spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-29/...toddler_1_blood-police-basement?_s=PM:JUSTICE

The fact that blood was discovered in the home has only recently been revealed, as it "would have interfered with the investigation," said Stephen McCausland, spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety http://abcnews.go.com/US/ayla-reynolds-case-blood-found-home-belongs-missing/story?id=15469396

Department of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said Sunday night that testing has revealed that at least some of the blood samples that were found in the home during a December search belong to Ayla.

"The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.


and

"I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said. http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-found-aylas-blood_2012-01-29.html

Police confirmed Sunday night that Ayla's blood was found in the partially finished basement that DiPietro used as his bedroom. http://www.sunjournal.com/news/stat...o-evidence-ayla-reynolds-was-abducted/1147912

Maine State Police investigators have been analyzing blood that was found in the home where a toddler was reported missing six weeks ago, an official said today. The blood was found in the basement early in the investigation into Ayla Reynolds' disappearance from her father's home in Waterville, spokesman Steve McCausland said http://articles.boston.com/keyword/toddler/recent/2

These are all I could pull up at the moment. Hope they are helpful, mrsu

 

[dog.gone.cute]

snipped from : http://portlanddailysun.me/node/32328

A source told The Sun that Maine State Police contacted the overnight store clerk at the Cumberland Farms, located on Pine Street in Portland's West End, saying that a credit card under the name of Justin DiPietro was used to purchase cigarettes at the store around 2 a.m. on Dec. 15, 2011.

Police were told that DiPietro was at the store with two other men, only one of which police were able to identify. The store clerk was asked to describe the men and the clothing they were wearing when they made the cigarette purchase and according to the source, the clerk was told the third man was a person of interest to the investigation.


RBBM: I wonder if this "third man" was Lance ?

So ... Justin has a "credit card" in his name -- but no JOB ? :waitasec:


It has been 2 months since Ayla has been " missing"

Where is this baby ?

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

snipped from : http://portlanddailysun.me/node/32328

A source told The Sun that Maine State Police contacted the overnight store clerk at the Cumberland Farms, located on Pine Street in Portland's West End, saying that a credit card under the name of Justin DiPietro was used to purchase cigarettes at the store around 2 a.m. on Dec. 15, 2011.

Police were told that DiPietro was at the store with two other men, only one of which police were able to identify. The store clerk was asked to describe the men and the clothing they were wearing when they made the cigarette purchase and according to the source, the clerk was told the third man was a person of interest to the investigation.



RBBM: I wonder if this "third man" was Lance ?

So ... Justin has a "credit card" in his name -- but no JOB ? :waitasec:


It has been 2 months since Ayla has been " missing"

Where is this baby ?

I would be VERY interested to see more records of purchases Justin made on his credit card prior to Ayla's disappearance!!! :waitasec: