Found Deceased ME - Lisa Cox, 30, Brunswick, 19 Oct 2015

[keeponsearching]

[rsbm to answer the question]

I can imagine someone who is desperate, upset and not thinking clearly doing that, yes. Even without her glasses. I can see myself doing it, frankly.

I can see this taking place too. I followed a few suicide cases on here, makes my heart weepy. Actually I've seen more than I would like on websleuth this pass year and it was by the method of hanging.. Makes me wonder what the percent of the missing is due to suicide.

 

[bluesneakers]

If the suicide was spontaneous, it goes against hiding until the morning light.
If it was planned, it goes against not having her glasses.

I don't think she committed suicide. That's my gut feeling. I really can't into the reasons why I think that...
But this BF has a history.

I have dealt with suicides in my role as Pastor's wife...we have dealt with murders...and stillborn babies...and shootings and all kinds of tragedies. I have seen people's cries for help...and I have seen despondent people commit suicide without any warning. But something big is usually leading up to that event. I just can't see a girl who is finally back with her friends in her hometown committing suicide over a cigarette.

And my gut feeling is she did. I've dealt with suicide too, sometimes the something big is hidden. Sometimes it's a lot of little things. Sometimes you just don't know what it was.

I don't think it was over a cigarette though.


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[bluesneakers]

I can see this taking place too. I followed a few suicide cases on here, makes my heart weepy. Actually I've seen more than I would like on websleuth this pass year and it was by the method of hanging.. Makes me wonder what the percent of the missing is due to suicide.

One of the cases that brought me to WS was a missing woman who was eventually found after having killed herself by hanging. I've read so many stories since then and I get weepy too. It makes me want to tell everyone to not let anyone be alone.


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[Tillicum]

Did the argument start out over cigarettes but eventually evolved into another more major conflict in the relationship? Do we know for sure that the rope wasn't already there by the tree? Did she run off hoping he would run after her and apologize or ask her to come back? Did she only expect to be out there a short time (without her glasses and shoes) before he came looking for her? If the answer to these questions is yes, then I can't imagine how depressing it would be sitting out in the cold rain, barefoot, not being able to see very well and waiting and waiting for something that doesn't happen.

 

[shefner]

Only 1/8th of women who commit suicide do so by hanging...

https://books.google.com/books?id=A...n who commit suicide do so by hanging&f=false

 

[bluesneakers]

Only 1/8th of women who commit suicide do so by hanging...

https://books.google.com/books?id=A...n who commit suicide do so by hanging&f=false

In her age range it's higher though. I'll find a link.


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[bluesneakers]

From the CDC. Suffocation includes hanging.

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/brok...=lcd1age&ethnicty=0&ranking=10&deathtle=Death


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[atm9533]

I am very suspicious about her death. She could not see well without her glasses, it would have been automatic to grab her glasses as she was leaving. The commenters from the people that know her find this suspicious also and do not believe she would do this.

 

[dwfnurse]

I feel this is a very stupid question but feel the need to ask...does a suicidal person think about how they look when found? I ask because if she DID want to commit suicide, and was upset with her boyfriend (and I'm sure that if we could ask her she would give a bigger reason for the argument than cigarettes) would how she looks when found factor in any way?

 

[AC's Grandma]

I feel this is a very stupid question but feel the need to ask...does a suicidal person think about how they look when found? I ask because if she DID want to commit suicide, and was upset with her boyfriend (and I'm sure that if we could ask her she would give a bigger reason for the argument than cigarettes) would how she looks when found factor in any way?

As someone who has been suicidal in the past, more than 20 years ago, I contemplated suicide for months - one of the biggest factors that played into my thoughts how to kill myself and make it the least upsetting/disturbing for others who may have found me. I had young children at the time and concern for them finding me was what got me into mental health therapy that lasted for years once I moved past the suicidal thoughts. I never would have wanted them to see something that was so gross that it would cause any more lasting effects than what would have been necessary. When I thought about the options - hanging, which doesn't show major trauma (no blood, body parts, etc) or slitting my wrists or buying a gun and shooting myself, the option of a hanging in my mind would have been the least traumatic for them.
Thankfully and by some grace, I sought help because I could never put my children through that experience and have come out the other side.
If a person isn't thinking clearly and they get so upset about something, and they weren't suicidal previously I believe they don't think about how upset the other person who they are angry at would be. To me, in my opinion, suicide by hanging can be the least traumatizing to others who find a person and less pain to the person who commits suicide. I could be wrong, but that's my input on the topic.

 

[bluesneakers]

I feel this is a very stupid question but feel the need to ask...does a suicidal person think about how they look when found? I ask because if she DID want to commit suicide, and was upset with her boyfriend (and I'm sure that if we could ask her she would give a bigger reason for the argument than cigarettes) would how she looks when found factor in any way?

It's not a stupid question. I can't really answer though because I think it's one of those things that varies between people. It might matter, but it could still mean anything. Like I've read about people who don't want to make a mess, or people who don't want their loved one to be the one to find them. So, I guess my answer is maybe.


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[AzPistonsGirl]

perhaps, after following Leanne Beardon's case (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Leanne-Bearden-33-Garden-Ridge-17-Jan-2014-1), they didn't find Lisa right away because she was UP. This is similar to searches they did for Leanne, who was UP and not found right away.

No matter, so very sad...

 

[Yvettea]

For some people appearances factor into a suicide decision and they will not choose suicide if they cannot determine a method where they believe they will not be found. Some people are concerned mostly with the legacy of suicide, knowing their loved ones will live with this all their life. Some people are punitive in their decision choosing to cause others the grief they themselves are suffering. And there are other concerns as well: what means will be effective, how much pain will be involved, cultural considerations. This is by no means an exhaustive list of things that are considered.

It seems to me if you took all things into consideration you would never make this choice, and yet people do. I have concluded they are suffering immense pain, so much so they have lost hope, lost a reason to go on. Suicide can occur without much warning once the decision has been made.

 

[bluesneakers]

For some people appearances factor into a suicide decision and they will not choose suicide if they cannot determine a method where they believe they will not be found. Some people are concerned mostly with the legacy of suicide, knowing their loved ones will live with this all their life. Some people are punitive in their decision choosing to cause others the grief they themselves are suffering. And there are other concerns as well: what means will be effective, how much pain will be involved, cultural considerations. This is by no means an exhaustive list of things that are considered.

It seems to me if you took all things into consideration you would never make this choice, and yet people do. I have concluded they are suffering immense pain, so much so they have lost hope, lost a reason to go on. Suicide can occur without much warning once the decision has been made.

Your last sentence is so true and so scary. It's amazing how many people are suicidal in a moment of crisis and make it through, or survive an attempt and never try again. The saying about you can't stop someone who wants to kill themselves isn't really true. But it's not easy.


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[Yvettea]

Your last sentence is so true and so scary. It's amazing how many people are suicidal in a moment of crisis and make it through, or survive an attempt and never try again. The saying about you can't stop someone who wants to kill themselves isn't really true. But it's not easy.


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Your last couple sentences really say it all. People need to be able to see the warning signs but it's very difficult thing to do, and maybe we just don't want to look that closely at others lives.

 

[bluesneakers]

Your last couple sentences really say it all. People need to be able to see the warning signs but it's very difficult thing to do, and maybe we just don't want to look that closely at others lives.

It's a taboo subject for sure.


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[cluciano63]

It's a taboo subject for sure.


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That is the worst thing to do, the way we as a society cover up suicides and refuse to discuss them. Especially as suicide is a leading cause of death in some age groups. It shouldn't be such an off-limits topic. Maybe survivors could help others by examining any warning signs they may see afterward, ones that they did not see before. Not all,suicides have warning signs, probably, but I would guess that most do, if people are honest or know what to look for. Jmo

 

[Yvettea]

Some people will repeat the same message many times. It changes slightly but the meaning is the same. The more others hear the same message the safer they feel but they shouldn't. If you hear one of these, even one time, take it seriously.

I don't want to live anymore.
I can't live without him/her/it.
I can't take the pain.
How can I go on?
I don't have too much longer.

i'm sure there are many others. I believe if you hear this even once suicide may occur sooner or later. Don't get tired of the message, get help especially if you are the one who's talking.

 

[truecalling]

I'm just curious if anyone knows if this is still under investigation? I haven't seen any updated reports regarding the investigation of her cause of death. I realize it was initially considered suicide. I just can't stop thinking about her....

 

[bluesneakers]

I think they were waiting on autopsy results. I'm not sure how long those take.