MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[otto]

The federal government's response to the shooting aggravates the situation.

"The videos and eyewitness accounts show that Pretti was not holding a weapon, but rather a cell phone. These facts contradict the various statements made by the federal government.

Stephen Miller, Trump's top adviser, was among the first to react to the shooting. He called Pretti a "domestic terrorist" and a "potential assassin who wanted to kill federal law enforcement." He also pointed the finger at Democrats, "who side with terrorists."

Homeland Security Secretary Noem called the Border Patrol's actions a "targeted operation against an undocumented alien," without providing any evidence. Pretti was American and worked as an intensive care nurse. He had a firearms permit and no criminal record."

Beelden van doodgeschoten burger Minneapolis spreken kamp-Trump tegen

Uit de video's en ooggetuigenverslagen blijkt dat Pretti geen wapen in zijn handen hield, maar juist een telefoon. Deze feiten staan haaks op uitspraken van de federale overheid.

nos.nl

 

[JennieM]

2h ago

Did Alex Pretti record video of his encounter with the federal agents who killed him?​

Robert Mackey

While we know that the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti was recorded by multiple witnesses, and that the Trump administration’s claims about what happened are directly contradicted by the publicly available video, there is one more likely source of video that has not been made public yet: the video Pretti himself appeared to have been recording on his phone from the very start of his encounter with the federal agents who killed him.

Like the fatal shooting of Renee Good in the same part of Minneapolis earlier this month, which was recorded by the ICE officer who shot her, Jonathan Ross, it seems likely that this incident was also recorded by a participant.

But, so far, that video has not been released.

[...]

But, in marked contrast to the aftermath of the shooting to death of Good, when the Department of Homeland Security released Ross’s own video, apparently believing that it would exonerate him, so far the federal government has not released any video recorded by Pretti.

Minneapolis shooting: Obama and Clinton urge Americans to ‘stand up’ as more Republicans call for an investigation – live

Some elected officials condemn Trump’s federal surge in Minnesota and say DHS agents should leave Minnesota

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ruminations]

Please note: analyzing the events that led up to the shooting does not equate with believing that the shooting was justified.

It appears that Pretti had a conversation with the ICE officers earlier, and then he was in the middle of an ICE officer shoving the woman in the white coat.

It's just that it can come off like blaming the victim if the events you are analyzing are the victims' actions, not the shooters.

The victim lived there. The shooter(s) were on the job as customs and border control agents. While there is an international border in the State, the city where this shooting took place is a long way from the border. Iowa is closer to Minneapolis than Canada.

So let's analyze the shooters actions leading up to the fatal events. What were these federal agents even doing there? That's the first question. Why so many to arrest one person?

MOO

 

[Ruminations]

People standing up for their 1st amendment rights, Otto. Freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition.

imo

Yes. It's Americans doing something while their county violates its own constitution.

Americans doing something.

MOO

 

[otto]

People standing up for their 1st amendment rights, Otto. Freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition.

imo

True. Protesting is standing up for a cause. Is it still protesting when the many confront individual federal officers who are are fulfilling a job duty? Should the protest be with the person who gave the order?

Imagine that people are crossing an international border and one person is pulled aside for additional screening. As soon as that happens, everyone in the room starts blowing whistles, swearing, chanting, and confronting border security officers. Is that protesting?

 

[JennieM]

State officers were 'refused' from scene, says Minneapolis police chief​

"As soon as I heard that law enforcement were involved in another law enforcement related shooting, I immediately requested the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension to respond to the scene" Chief Ohara told the BBC

This agency investigates all police-related shootings in the state and were "refused access to the scene" by federal agents, he said.

After they secured a state search warrant, they "were yet again refused".

Today, after the scene was cleared, "they returned today to canvass for evidence, canvass for witnesses" he said, adding "I do believe they actually did retrieve some evidence today and so that investigation on the state's end will continue."

Minneapolis live: Protesters gather in Minneapolis as governor calls on Trump to remove agents after shooting

Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old nurse, was killed by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

True. Protesting is standing up for a cause. Is it still protesting when the many confront individual federal officers who are are fulfilling a job duty? Should the protest be with the person who gave the order?

Imagine that people are crossing an international border and one person is pulled aside for additional screening. As soon as that happens, everyone in the room starts blowing whistles, swearing, chanting, and confronting border security officers. Is that protesting?

In this case, you would have to look at the bigger picture.
The govt needs to change the way that ICE are operating. Not vice versa. imo


"63 percent of registered voters disapprove of how ICE is handling its job"

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5703175-ice-tactics-poll/

 

[otto]

It's just that it can come off like blaming the victim if the events you are analyzing are the victims' actions, not the shooters.

The victim lived there. The shooter(s) were on the job as customs and border control agents. While there is an international border in the State, the city where this shooting took place is a long way from the border. Iowa is closer to Minneapolis than Canada.

So let's analyze the shooters actions leading up to the fatal events. What were these federal agents even doing there? That's the first question. Why so many to arrest one person?

MOO

Indeed. There are what appears to be confrontations between Pretti and and more than one ICE agent, and more than one ICE agent interacts with Pretti. Pretti appears to place himself close to ICE agents on at least two separate occasions. There is physical contact on two occasions. He is described as an "observer" with a camera.

What were the ICE agents doing there? ICE agents were not operating independently. Someone hired them to go there and do that job. That is where the problem lies, not with the individual agents. The protests should be with the person making the decisions, not the person carrying them out ... in my opinion.

 

[otto]

In this case, you would have to look at the bigger picture.
The govt needs to change the way that ICE are operating. imo


"63 percent of registered voters disapprove of how ICE is handling its job"

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5703175-ice-tactics-poll/

Absolutely! The problem is higher up the food chain than the agent on the street, yet the agent on the street takes the brunt of the protests.

There's another video at this website that explains how ICE became so threatening. It's a Dutch video, but all the interviews are in English, and it's optional to set closed captions to English. It explains how it started with Clinton and changed with government changes to become what it is today.

Beelden van doodgeschoten burger Minneapolis spreken kamp-Trump tegen

Uit de video's en ooggetuigenverslagen blijkt dat Pretti geen wapen in zijn handen hield, maar juist een telefoon. Deze feiten staan haaks op uitspraken van de federale overheid.

nos.nl

 

[Snoopster]

With the first shooting (Renee Good), I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was a possible misunderstanding at the time of the shooting. The one fact that did not fit was that the driver was no threat after the first shot. The ICE agent shot her two more times from a different angle. That could not be explained.

Now we have another shooting with similar circumstances. The first shot removed all threat to the ICE agents, but they kept shooting. That cannot be explained under any circumstances.

It is not an acceptable argument that 5-7 armed ICE agents are so confused and disorganized that, while one agent removes a gun and says "gun" - as it I have the gun, all the other agents don't know what is going on and start shooting up an unarmed man who has been tackled and beaten in the streets. Are they trained agents with protocol, or confused, trigger-happy, frightened men who shoot first and think later?

Welcome, finally, to that realization Otto.
Overkill in Renee Good case (even though I don't believe the first shot was warranted in any way) and overkill in The Alex Pretti case (even though I don't believe the first shot was warranted, let alone them tackling him and pepper-spraying him and then beating him).

There. Is. No. Justification. IMO.

 

[Deleted member 369619]

Indeed. There are what appears to be confrontations between Pretti and and more than one ICE agent, and more than one ICE agent interacts with Pretti. Pretti appears to place himself close to ICE agents on at least two separate occasions. There is physical contact on two occasions. He is described as an "observer" with a camera.

What were the ICE agents doing there? ICE agents were not operating independently. Someone hired them to go there and do that job. That is where the problem lies, not with the individual agents. The protests should be with the person making the decisions, not the person carrying them out ... in my opinion.

Well, following the same logic, if the problem doesn’t lie with the individual agents, as you stated, then why are these individual agents executing American citizens? And they’re not even newer agents. Jonathan Ross and the most recent agent had ten and seven years experience, IIRC. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Absolutely! The problem is higher up the food chain than the agent on the street, yet the agent on the street takes the brunt of the protests.

The govt is well aware of the protests. They are nationwide.

Again ... "63 percent of registered voters disapprove of how ICE is handling its job"

As the govt is paid by the taxpayers, why are the agents not changing their methodology? Pepper spray, shoving, shooting ....

 

[PawneeDew]

Why did the agents jump Alex in the first place?

They shoved the women and then tackled Alex. Why?

The agents had to walk down the street to attack the people filming them? The agents went out of their way to do that. Why?

jmo

Maybe someone is trying foment an insurrection...imo

 

[Mmcgirl13]

True. Protesting is standing up for a cause. Is it still protesting when the many confront individual federal officers who are are fulfilling a job duty? Should the protest be with the person who gave the order?

Imagine that people are crossing an international border and one person is pulled aside for additional screening. As soon as that happens, everyone in the room starts blowing whistles, swearing, chanting, and confronting border security officers. Is that protesting?

This isn’t what happened though. We can talk about hypotheticals all day long, but at the end of the day the only relevant scenario here is what actually took place, which we can all see with our own eyes from multiple different angles and even slowed down frame by frame if we want to. And what my eyes see is nowhere near a justified use of force, not for the first shot and not for the next nine.

JMO

 

[Mmcgirl13]

Absolutely! The problem is higher up the food chain than the agent on the street, yet the agent on the street takes the brunt of the protests.

There's another video at this website that explains how ICE became so threatening. It's a Dutch video, but all the interviews are in English, and it's optional to set closed captions to English. It explains how it started with Clinton and changed with government changes to become what it is today.

Beelden van doodgeschoten burger Minneapolis spreken kamp-Trump tegen

Uit de video's en ooggetuigenverslagen blijkt dat Pretti geen wapen in zijn handen hield, maar juist een telefoon. Deze feiten staan haaks op uitspraken van de federale overheid.

nos.nl

IMO, it’s perfectly understandable for people to express discontent with what they see as unjust orders and practices on the people responsible for carrying out those orders as well as those responsible for issuing them. We’ve known for a long time that “we were just doing our jobs” can only take you so far. It’s like asking why the Civil Rights protestors had demonstrations in their own communities and in front of local police instead of in Washington. What if a person’s job involves activity you believe to be fundamentally immoral? Is a person not allowed to make their opinion known, when it’s their tax dollars paying those people’s salaries? The law does not protect LE from mean words.

 

[otto]

This isn’t what happened though. We can talk about hypotheticals all day long, but at the end of the day the only relevant scenario here is what actually took place, which we can all see with our own eyes from multiple different angles and even slowed down frame by frame if we want to. And what my eyes see is nowhere near a justified use of force, not for the first shot and not for the next nine.

JMO

Yes. We see two instances with Pretti interacting with federal officers. In both instances there is physical contact. Pretti is tackled to the ground after he places himself between an officer and the woman in the white coat (see screenshot). Officers discover that he has a gun, and from that point on the officers don't seem to know what to do, so they start shooting.

There are so many problems. The federal officers are unprofessional and unable to handle civilian altercations. The federal government immediately presented a false narrative about the events.

video screenshot:

 

[JennieM]

Minnesota prisons say that federal agents are giving 'inaccurate information' about man they were seeking​

BREAKING

The Minnesota Department of Corrections (DOC) has rebutted some of the claims made by Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino and other federal officials when Alex Pretti was shot.

Bovino has said that immigration enforcement agents were seeking Jose Huerta Chuma during their "targeted" operation, and that Chuma's criminal history includes domestic assault, intentional infliction of bodily harm and disorderly conduct.

The DOC in a statement says federal statements "have repeatedly included inaccurate information about Minnesota custody and criminal records", prompting them to review available records to determine whether Chuma had any connection to Minnesota state prison custody.

Per the statement, the Minnesota DOC says:

• The individual identified by federal officials has never been in Minnesota DOC custody
• DOC and court records show no felony commitments associated with this
• Public Minnesota court records reflect only misdemeanor-level traffic offenses from more than a decade ago
• The individual is not currently under DOC supervision.

The DOC adds that their records also indicate the Huerta was previously held in federal immigration custody in a local Minnesota jail in 2018, noting that this was during President Trump’s first administration.

"Any decisions regarding release from federal custody at that time would have been made by federal authorities. DOC has no information explaining why this individual was released," the statement says.

The DOC also pushed back on allegations that it does not cooperate with ICE to facilitate custody transfers for individuals subject to federal detainers.

"The inaccurate assertions of these high-level ICE officials are untrue, reckless, and contrary to longstanding practice," the DOC says.

Minneapolis live: Protesters gather in Minneapolis as governor calls on Trump to remove agents after shooting

Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old nurse, was killed by federal immigration officers in Minneapolis on Saturday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ruminations]

Well, following the same logic, if the problem doesn’t lie with the individual agents, as you stated, then why are these individual agents executing American citizens? And they’re not even newer agents. Jonathan Ross and the most recent agent had ten and seven years experience, IIRC. MOO

And both violated easily googled policies, even if any untrue accusations about the victims were true.

The shooters in both situations indeed had assignments that are perplexing; you don't need an army to arrest one person. But, they are responsible for their own behavior on the job.

While some in the federal government have released false narratives to attempt to excuse their behavior, I don't think it will ever come out that the federal agents were told they should shoot civilians.

And if, when charged with the killings, they try to argue they were told by implication that they were sent there to terrorize the public out of protesting, they will likely learn that "just following orders," works as poorly in MN state court as it did in Nuremberg.

And that is as it should be. Federal officers should not obey unlawful orders.

MOO

 

[statt#1]

Indeed. There are what appears to be confrontations between Pretti and and more than one ICE agent, and more than one ICE agent interacts with Pretti. Pretti appears to place himself close to ICE agents on at least two separate occasions. There is physical contact on two occasions. He is described as an "observer" with a camera.

What were the ICE agents doing there? ICE agents were not operating independently. Someone hired them to go there and do that job. That is where the problem lies, not with the individual agents. The protests should be with the person making the decisions, not the person carrying them out ... in my opinion.

I can't imagine a scenario where I would think it wise to holster my Glock 19, strap an extra magazine or 2 on my belt, have foreknowledge of the time and location of Federal agent activity for a given day, arrive on scene, and insert myself into the situation such that I find myself face to face with armed Federal agents.

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes. We see two instances with Pretti interacting with federal officers. In both instances there is physical contact. Pretti is tackled to the ground after he places himself between an officer and the woman in the white coat (see screenshot). Officers discover that he has a gun, and from that point on the officers don't seem to know what to do, so they start shooting.

There are so many problems. The federal officers are unprofessional and unable to handle civilian altercations. The federal government immediately presented a false narrative about the events.

video screenshot:

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This is actually what happened.

Pepper spray, dragging Alex away from helping the woman up after she was shoved down by an agent, agent pulls a gun while others are holding Alex down.

New angle shows moment federal agents shoot Alex Pretti in Minneapolis – video

US Department of Homeland Security said that Alex Pretti was pronounced dead at the scene

www.theguardian.com