MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[SouthAussie]

I found that a very helpful read. I think it explains some of the anxious feelings and distaste some are feeling when seeing these organisations in action and the choices they make.

I also think the article does offer helpful assessment of differences that could be applied to ICE to make it more in line with regular LE so that they'd be more likely to retain the support of more of the public, suffer less antagonism from the public, and be a safer force both for themselves, the public, and those they apprehend. Add in things like triple checking of targets to ensure they really are violent and illegal, and I think the public would be so much more accepting and eventually supportive.

And add in the dropping of their target of 3,000 arrests per day - which equates to an average of 60 arrests per state per day.

I have seen some people have denied there is a quota, but there certainly is a target quota, as stated by Stephen Miller back in May 2025.

A quota like that has led to incorrect arrests, perhaps desperate arrests, and a rapid hiring and 'training' of some very seemingly incompetent people.

imo



The Trump administration has set aggressive new goals in its anti-immigration agenda, demanding that federal agents arrest 3,000 people a day – or more than a million in a year.

The new target, tripling arrest figures from earlier this year, was delivered to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) leaders by Stephen Miller, the White House deputy chief of staff, and Kristi Noem, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) secretary, in a strained meeting last week.

The 21 May meeting in Washington DC is the latest example of the increasing pressure being placed on officials nationwide to increase the number of arrests of immigrants, as the administration doubles down on its anti-immigration agenda.

Trump administration sets quota to arrest 3,000 people a day in anti-immigration agenda

The target was delivered by Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem, and triples figures fromearlier this year

www.theguardian.com

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Do they not use handcuffs as we see LE use in any and all situations they are 'not happy with' the person they are confronting? Not these ICE it turned out. IMO

It's hard to use handcuffs when you're beating someone over the head.

 

[TristanP]

For how long will "Good Samaritans" exist in the US when they see what happens to people who go to the assistance of another person?

The lesson here appears to be that if, in the presence of ICE or Border Patrol, do not go to the assistance of anyone who is pushed or falls to the ground. If you do, you maybe pepper sprayed, pushed to the ground, beaten up, and shot dead. Some might say this is hyperbole. The gun makes a difference? So don't reach to help anyone while you're legally carrying a small holstered gun. And then you'll be safe?

I know some perceive this to be a lesson in not interfering with LE. And I'd agree with them if LE had been trying to apprehend some violent criminal and AP had stepped between. But it was a woman fallen to the snowy, icy, sidewalk that AP went toward, not a criminal trying to evade apprehension by LE. That makes a huge difference in my mind.

That is the intent when ICE does that. They want to instill fear. They want to stop people from attempting to interfere. And they have been given free reign to do so without accountability.

 

[TristanP]

IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Video shows Alex Pretti in scuffle with federal agents 11 days before his death

A newly released video shows Alex Pretti confronting federal officers on a Minneapolis street 11 days before he was fatally shot in another encounter with CBP agents, a Pretti family representative confirmed to CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

Was he doing so in hospital branded attire? Was he identifying himself as being an employee of that hospital? Was he clocked in at work but out on the street protesting?

For God's sake, two Federal agents put 10 bullets in this man when he had not threatened them and had been disarmed, and you're questioning HIS judgement?

 

[Amonet]

IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Video shows Alex Pretti in scuffle with federal agents 11 days before his death

A newly released video shows Alex Pretti confronting federal officers on a Minneapolis street 11 days before he was fatally shot in another encounter with CBP agents, a Pretti family representative confirmed to CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

In what way did he amp up that behaviour a week later would you say?

I don't honestly think he would have treated a patient like that, he was angry at what he thought was injustice and at the behaviour he knew ICE to be capable of. That can bring on anger in people, and I would suggest anger management might have been appropriate.. though it feels insulting to say it.

But if I think he could have used anger management course, I think those officers who tackled him and beat him up need it ten times more...and this is their in-job behaviour, while I fully expect if AP had behaved that way during his job he would not keep that job for long.

As TristanP has said above:

For God's sake, two Federal agents put 10 bullets in this man when he had not threatened them and had been disarmed, and you're questioning HIS judgement?

Yes. Even if we found out he was an escaped-from-prison mass murderer, while that might affect our general like/dislike/empathy for him in general, it shouldn't really change how we view this incident. And that's how I think we need to think every time we see an incident like this.

 

[airportwoman]

Unfortunately, while the vast majority are like Alex Pretti, we also live in a world where Lucy Letby exists. Some people get into professions like medicine, teaching, and the clergy for all the wrong reasons. Fortunately, they are the minority.

MOO

Or, for that matter, Michael McKee, who led to one of the longest threads we've got going here (Spencer & Monique Tepe).

 

[airportwoman]

The man is dead. Whether or not his employer would have fired him for something he did a week before he was brutally killed is irrelevant, IMO. Also, being terminated is a far cry from being killed. So I don't get your point.

MOO.

It's almost impossible to get fired from the VA, just saying.

 

[browneyes]

IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Video shows Alex Pretti in scuffle with federal agents 11 days before his death

A newly released video shows Alex Pretti confronting federal officers on a Minneapolis street 11 days before he was fatally shot in another encounter with CBP agents, a Pretti family representative confirmed to CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

He was murdered, so we’ll never know.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Moo..BBC had best vid I have seen. Second by second from multiple vids. But I am also seeing AI altered videos. Ai scares me.....moo

AI-altered or fabricated videos have become such a problem on social media that X has just introduced a feature which flags altered content with a warning.

 

[Charlot123]

Let that sink in. ICE
FAILED TO COMPLY WITH 96 COURT ORDERS.
NINETY SIX.

I asked myself: was there an order for ICE agents to wear masks?

https://www.cnn.com/us/ice-immigration-officers-face-masks#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20am%20sorry%20if%20people,not%20displaying%20credentials%20or%20badges.

Not according to this article,

Moreover, President Trump obviously was not happy with ICE agents wearing masks.

“A week ago, after immigration raids sparked sometimes violent protests and the deployment of US troops in Los Angeles, President Donald Trump vowed to ban the use of masks by demonstrators.

“MASKS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to be worn at protests. What do these people have to hide, and why???” the president posted on Truth Social.”

That after LA ICE deployment. President Trump was not happy with ICE masks.

So was it Bovino or someone else who tacitly approved of masked ICE? Or are the agents not discouraged from using covering the faces?

WA senate voted to ban use of masks by law enforcement agents.

WA Senate passes ban on police face coverings • Washington State Standard

The Washington state Senate voted Wednesday to ban law enforcement from covering their faces amid concerns over masked immigration agents.

washingtonstatestandard.com

The bill is on the way to the WA House masks,

 

[Hexe]

I'm a strong supporter of amendment 2. The issue here is that this man inserted himself in to a situation where in my opinion the presence of his firearm led to the shooting

Let's make something clear here. Presence of the firearm found by the agents after they pinned Alex to the ground and searched him, led to him being shot after that firearm was taken away?

 

[Moll]

Unfortunately, while the vast majority are like Alex Pretti, we also live in a world where Lucy Letby exists. Some people get into professions like medicine, teaching, and the clergy for all the wrong reasons. Fortunately, they are the minority.

MOO

Such people occasionally get into nursing, but ICU nurses are super-nurses (unless things are different in the US from UK, which I very much doubt). As soon as I saw that Alex Pretti was an ICU nurse, images came into my mind of many brilliant ICU male nurses who have in recent years helped two of my nearest and dearest in London.

And I admit, the information immediately coloured my view of what happened - not that it needed any more than the videos and witness statements once they came out. He could have been an entirely different sort of person and his death would have been shocking and wrong. But an ICU nurse?

 

[Hexe]

It's my opinion this man chose to be there that day with a confrontational attitude

It is a fact, not an opinion, that Alex Pretti was helping a woman to get up when he hot tackled by the agents. He was not confrontational.

It's a fact, not an opinion that habing confrontational attitude is not a capital offence.

and when he involved himself in the situation the presence of the firearm came to light, the threat to the Federal agents arose, and the rest is history.

The presence of the firearms came to light after Alex got pepper sprayed, pinned to the ground and searched. What kind of a threat to the agents he posed, lying face down on the street?

MOO

 

[Hexe]

IMO Would Mr. Pretti have had continued employment with his current employer if this video was brought to their attention? Employers are permitted to take action on off duty conduct when it calls into question someone’s fitness for duty, particularly in roles involving vulnerable patients. Kicking , spitting at a LE vehicle and engaging in a physical confrontation with agents demonstrates a serious lapse in judgement and impulse control. We would see this again, amped up, a week later. IMO

Video shows Alex Pretti in scuffle with federal agents 11 days before his death

A newly released video shows Alex Pretti confronting federal officers on a Minneapolis street 11 days before he was fatally shot in another encounter with CBP agents, a Pretti family representative confirmed to CBS News.

www.cbsnews.com

Was that video ever confirmed as being a real deal and depicting Alex Pretti? I know there were claims BBC confirmed it's authenticity, but there is no such communicate on the BBC page. I would be careful with that vid, there is a lot of fakes in circulation.

 

[Inthedetails]

dbm offtopic

 

[303gmf]

In my opinion, yes, the video evidence is factual enough. Again, I do not agree with my friend.
However, there are people who do not believe the video is enough. That's why we are here. To discuss the evidence in a rational and calm way. It's what we do on Websleuths.

Victim blaming on ANY other thread gets posters time outs and deletes
Why is it so blatantly allowed??

 

[Inthedetails]

bbm

A newly filed lawsuit accuses federal agents at the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building in Minneapolis of denying detainees of their right to contact a lawyer. ...

The lawsuit says that since Jan. 11, detainees have not been provided with "constitutionally adequate or statutorily compliant access to counsel" and detainees are not granted an outgoing phone call. Instead, the lawsuit says that detainees are told they will be allowed an outgoing call after they have been "booked," at which time they have been transferred to a detention facility outside the state....

Attorneys, too, have been threatened or intimidated by federal agents at Whipple, according to the suit.

The lawsuit echoes one filed last fall by the ACLU of Illinois and the MacArthur Justice Center, which outlined "inhumane" conditions at an ICE processing center in Broadview, Illinois. The people inside the facility, the lawsuit said, could not reach their attorneys.

Detainees at Whipple federal building in Minneapolis have been denied access to lawyer, suit says

A newly filed lawsuit accuses federal agents at the Whipple building in Minneapolis of denying detainees of their right to contact a lawyer.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

From my friend
I think that any LE officer in this situation could have felt threatened by this guy's movements. He is clearly resisting the officers and reaching for something.

But yet the 3 protestors still comply and do not escalate the situation. They do not lunge or push back and prefer to cover their eyes rather than smack the canister filled with pepper spray is aimed towards their faces. Even as Alex is pushed towards the ground he leaves his hands up and open to as a de-escalation tactic to show he is not a threat, is not aiming to retaliate against them, even as he sees other CPB agents join his initial assailant in threatening physical harm

We want masks off and body-cameras on,"

I agree I think the body-cameras will help with transparency, which is sorely needed, and hopefully by taking the masks off, it will be easier for locals, protesters and activists to communicate with ICE agents. Maybe it was just me but I noticed sometimes I could always understand what they were saying, even with the volume loud or when they yelled, because the masks seemed to muffle their words. This step could also, as a result, increase public safety and de-escalation of tense or high-conflict situations.

IMO

Does taking a single weapon during the struggle mean he doesn't have another weapon that could be used to kill?

But that is always a risk and according to their instructors some of the disarming tactics the agency has educated them on can help mitigate these risks, save lives and de-escalate any and all violence.

armed instigator

Wouldn’t the armed instigator be the CPB agent who not only carries a gun but it is the main one initiating the aggressive or violent behavior leading up the shooting by pushing the woman into Alex’s arms before pushing both of them back towards the curb and shoving the other woman harshly against the curb and ground? At no point do we see acts of violence or harm committed by Alex or the two women before the agent begins shoving them. The agent’s attack seem both unprovoked and excessive, especially considering that no physical altercation occurred before the agent started just started shoving them and yelling louder and louder. Clearly he is enraged, perhaps disproportionately and his anger won’t be abetted. Instead of de-escalation he relentlessly shoves the protesters harder and harder and grows more aggressive despite their lack of aggressive responds back. It is like he doesn’t even see them or people anymore but rather potential punching bags he can pummel, shove and abuse to cope with his own turmoil.

I wonder if you think it's possible the officers in this case really did fear for their safety

I think it is completely understandable that they would be in fear of their safety and do not want to diminish or dismiss the danger they are facing as members of law enforcements. However, I think it is also understandable that local community members and leaders across the nation as a whole hold members of ICE to higher standards, both professional and ethical, than they would of their regular civilian because of the trust, training, education and access to power and resources we give in return. The public is allowed to demand better implementation and utilization of strategies and protocols that promote our human rights and safety, including giving us our due process, right to be free from harm and coercion and the protection of personal and public safety and property.

Also, they went in fear of their lives or safety when they shoving Alex and the other two protestors, or pinning them to the ground, blinding him with chemicals and repeatedly his head with the spray’s canister. If they were in fear of their lives or if their safety was priority they would have followed basic protocol and patted and checked Alex for any weapons on his persons long before they let their colleagues pin him to ground so that he could endure a brutal assault. Fear wasn’t even a factor until the utterance of the word gun made them realize they too now could face the consequences of their own death and disability as the man could easily retaliated for the assault by shooting at them. They thought jumping someone was more important on the job than taking precaution or inhibiting the use of excessive force to avoid retaliatory violence demonstrating how in the end CPB’s and ICE’s own incompetence will be put their safety and lives the most at risk.

That’s all just my own opinion of course or mere insight.

 

[Sarahlou]

Was that video ever confirmed as being a real deal and depicting Alex Pretti? I know there were claims BBC confirmed it's authenticity, but there is no such communicate on the BBC page. I would be careful with that vid, there is a lot of fakes in circulation.

It was in the BBC news last night. I just looked back at the footage. They said the new video "Appears to show Alex Pretti" and that a facial recognition tool suggests a 97% match.
A screenshot i took

 

[SouthAussie]

CNN town hall: Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey said he had a “productive” conversation with border czar Tom Homan, but that he didn’t receive any assurances the immigration crackdown in the city would come to an end.

Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison said in a CNN town hall tonight that the lack of cooperation from the federal government in investigating the shooting and killing of citizens “feels like a coverup.”

https://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/minneapolis-ice-trump-01-28-26