MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[Summerliz03]

Why do they so desperately want the voter rolls? IMO handing them over would put more citizens at risk.

If they want voter rolls from one state why not each and every state? I believe there is a sneaky agenda behind it.

They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.

Map shows states that have handed over voter information to Trump admin

Texas has become the latest state to share its voter roll with the Justice Department.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Sundog]

Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -

Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25

people.com

“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”

Very well-written letter from U.S. Attorney General Bondi. It covers all the issues that the federal government is investigating in Minnesota, as well as Minnesota's leaders refusal to cooperate with federal immigration agents and the issue of illegal immigration and their state. Lays it all out very well.

 

[JennieM]

Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting​

Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting

New affidavits filed in court detail how witnesses were arrested immediately after the shooting of Alex Pretti.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[keek]

Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting​

Minneapolis man says he was detained for hours after witnessing Alex Pretti shooting

New affidavits filed in court detail how witnesses were arrested immediately after the shooting of Alex Pretti.

www.cbsnews.com

Of course, very Iran and Russia for sure behavior that is seen worldwide. IMO

 

[sapphire blue]

They actually do want voter rolls from every state. Some states (all red states) have already turned theirs over. But many more are actually refusing and there’s a lawsuit attached to it. Trump has sued 20 states for refusing to turn over the data.

Map shows states that have handed over voter information to Trump admin

Texas has become the latest state to share its voter roll with the Justice Department.

www.newsweek.com

From your link

Some have condemned the requests as an attempt by the White House to create a national database of voters and restrict access.
“The requests cover sensitive, private information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Its collection by the federal government raises serious privacy and security concerns and may violate state and federal laws.”
“What the DOJ is trying to do is something that should frighten everybody across the political spectrum. They’re trying to use the power of the executive branch to bully states into turning over highly sensitive data: date of birth, Social Security number, driver’s license—the holy trinity of identity theft.”


IMO this is all about interfering in future elections.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Apologies if this has already been posted. It’s interesting to note the terms Pam B suggests will get ICE out of Minnesota -

Pam Bondi Tells Tim Walz That Handing Over Minnesota's Voter Rolls Can Help Prevent Another 'National Tragedy': Read Her Full Letter

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a three-point letter of demands to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after American ICU nurse Alex Pretti was fatally shot by Border Patrol on Jan. 25

people.com

“The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.”

That’s taken out of context. imo.

I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.

 

[Summerliz03]

From your link

Some have condemned the requests as an attempt by the White House to create a national database of voters and restrict access.
“The requests cover sensitive, private information such as driver’s license numbers and partial Social Security numbers. Its collection by the federal government raises serious privacy and security concerns and may violate state and federal laws.”
“What the DOJ is trying to do is something that should frighten everybody across the political spectrum. They’re trying to use the power of the executive branch to bully states into turning over highly sensitive data: date of birth, Social Security number, driver’s license—the holy trinity of identity theft.”


IMO this is all about interfering in future elections.

Yes, by having state voting rolls and data, the federal government could remove anyone from a voter registration with zero notice or explanation. That person would have no idea they were removed unless they were regularly checking their voter registration or they went to vote and learned they were no longer registered. States have always handled their own voter registration and data, it’s not a federal government issue.

 

[keek]

That’s taken out of context. imo.

I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.

It's from Bondi and we have for sure, all of it and again, it's from Bondi.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Per the media interview with the ICE department (linked upthread), he said that civilians should not interfere with the duties of federal officers. Observing is fine, taking video is fine. In both of these screen shots, it does not look like a friendly conversation. In my opinion, it looks like a confrontation.

The thing is, he doesn't get to decide. With due respect, Otto, America has a Constitution that guarantees certain rights. Those rights are codified in that document and cannot be changed at the whims of any administration. The only thing that changes the Constitution is an amendment. An amendment requires 2/3 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate. THEN, it goes to the states and has to be supported by 38 states.

So the ICE department can say whatever they want. It doesn't make it true.

Americans are Constitutionally guaranteed the right to protest and to observe public law enforcement. They are also guaranteed the right to ask questions. Unless someone can point out exactly what this gentlemen did that "interfered" with federal law enforcement, I call bull on what the administration is saying.

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Beelden van doodgeschoten burger Minneapolis spreken kamp-Trump tegen

Uit de video's en ooggetuigenverslagen blijkt dat Pretti geen wapen in zijn handen hield, maar juist een telefoon. Deze feiten staan haaks op uitspraken van de federale overheid.

nos.nl

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There's no question that excessive force was used, but it doesn't appear to start with excessive force. It appears to start with confrontations between protesters and ICE agents.

I disagree entirely. What I see on that video starts with ICE putting their hand on a protestor and ends with a US citizen dead. There is no published backstory about interference. In America, protestors are allowed to shout at law enforcement so confrontation or not is not justification for anything that followed.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Please note: analyzing the events that led up to the shooting does not equate with believing that the shooting was justified.

It appears that Pretti had a conversation with the ICE officers earlier, and then he was in the middle of an ICE officer shoving the woman in the white coat.

I think analysis needs to be rooted in legally applicable facts, and sadly, judging by their statements prior to any investigation and in light of video evidence showing the opposite, the administration is not relying on facts. So I can't agree with any analysis that references their factless position.

MOO.

Source: all the links and articles that have been posted thus far in this thread, save the stuff put out by DHS and the government as it's in direct contradiction to witness statements and video.

 

[Summerliz03]

That’s taken out of context. imo.

I would encourage people to read the actual letter rather than relying on clickbait headlines.

I have read the actual letter, I read it twice. Nothing was taken out of context from anything I read. Those were the demands she had for the state of Minnesota in exchange for ICE agents being pulled back from their operations in the state. To me, that reads like extortion. Also, if their mission is to find all these serious criminal illegal aliens, why would they give up on that and leave the state before completing this task, if Minnesota gives into their demands?

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Very well-written letter from U.S. Attorney General Bondi. It covers all the issues that the federal government is investigating in Minnesota, as well as Minnesota's leaders refusal to cooperate with federal immigration agents and the issue of illegal immigration and their state. Lays it all out very well.

Absolutely! I agree it’s a well written letter.

 

[keek]

I have read the actual letter, I read it twice. Nothing was taken out of context from anything I read. Those were the demands she had for the state of Minnesota in exchange for ICE agents being pulled back from their operations in the state. To me, that reads like extortion. Also, if their mission is to find all these serious criminal illegal aliens, why would they give up on that and leave the state before completing this task, if Minnesota gives into their demands?

Pretty much outing themselves that that was NEVER the reason the boots were sent there, sooo many of them, so obvious the reason, petty revenge that cost people their lives and then some. IMO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

True. Protesting is standing up for a cause. Is it still protesting when the many confront individual federal officers who are are fulfilling a job duty? Should the protest be with the person who gave the order?

Imagine that people are crossing an international border and one person is pulled aside for additional screening. As soon as that happens, everyone in the room starts blowing whistles, swearing, chanting, and confronting border security officers. Is that protesting?

Protesting is a Constitutionally protected right. It's honestly impossible to overstate that this is A-OK in the USA. It is how we make our opinions known. I'm really not sure what point you're making with your analysis here. Are you saying that they were wrong to protest? Are you saying they were wrong to be there? I really don't understand. If that's what you're saying, I think you may be unintentionally misunderstanding American laws, values, and Constitutional rights.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Indeed. There are what appears to be confrontations between Pretti and and more than one ICE agent, and more than one ICE agent interacts with Pretti. Pretti appears to place himself close to ICE agents on at least two separate occasions. There is physical contact on two occasions. He is described as an "observer" with a camera.

What were the ICE agents doing there? ICE agents were not operating independently. Someone hired them to go there and do that job. That is where the problem lies, not with the individual agents. The protests should be with the person making the decisions, not the person carrying them out ... in my opinion.

That's not how it works though. No one is ordering them to kill people. Their job is to remove undocumented immigrants. They are taking it upon themselves to shoot it in the moment. It's like police. If a cop shoots someone, people will fight police in that city. They're not going to fight the national police association or the police academy or whatever.

Also, it's happening in Minnesota to Minnesotans. Surely we can't expect the entire population of Minnesota to travel to DC to protest there? They have ever right to protest against the invasion in their state.

MOO.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Absolutely! The problem is higher up the food chain than the agent on the street, yet the agent on the street takes the brunt of the protests.

Because the agent on the street is doing the shooting.

There's another video at this website that explains how ICE became so threatening. It's a Dutch video, but all the interviews are in English, and it's optional to set closed captions to English. It explains how it started with Clinton and changed with government changes to become what it is today.

Beelden van doodgeschoten burger Minneapolis spreken kamp-Trump tegen

Uit de video's en ooggetuigenverslagen blijkt dat Pretti geen wapen in zijn handen hield, maar juist een telefoon. Deze feiten staan haaks op uitspraken van de federale overheid.

nos.nl

ICE did not start with Clinton. ICE began with Bush in 2003, long after Clinton was out of office.

History of ICE

www.ice.gov

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I can't imagine a scenario where I would think it wise to holster my Glock 19, strap an extra magazine or 2 on my belt, have foreknowledge of the time and location of Federal agent activity for a given day, arrive on scene, and insert myself into the situation such that I find myself face to face with armed Federal agents.

His Constitutional right to do so. At no point did he use the gun or threaten to use the gun on agents. So unless we're ok with law enforcement just shooting anyone with a gun, we need to not use his legally carrying a gun as an excuse to justify this.

MOO.

 

[Inthedetails]

Like all of us, I've seen the videos several times now. I appreciate an analysis that shows still photos and concise, written descriptions rather than yet another video.

Timeline: A Moment-by-Moment Look at the Shooting of Alex Pretti

A moment-by-moment analysis of videos from the scene shows that Mr. Pretti was already restrained when shots were fired. The footage contradicts the federal government’s account of the fatal shooting.

www.nytimes.com

 

[sapphire blue]

Absolutely! I agree it’s a well written letter.

Well written doesn’t mean it is factual or legal.

Coercion is not a good look

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I have read the actual letter, I read it twice. Nothing was taken out of context from anything I read. Those were the demands she had for the state of Minnesota in exchange for ICE agents being pulled back from their operations in the state. To me, that reads like extortion. Also, if their mission is to find all these serious criminal illegal aliens, why would they give up on that and leave the state before completing this task, if Minnesota gives into their demands?

rbbm
They would still arrest criminal undocumented immigrants. We don’t see this occurring at the same level in other states. In my opinion, ICE is permitted to remove criminal undocumented immigrants from jails in other states. Maybe we can agree that this doesn’t need to play out on the streets in the way that it has been. I see it as a compromise. imo

From the letter -
Second, repeal the sanctuary policies that have led to so much crime and violence in your state. Removing criminal illegal aliens from Minnesota neighborhoods will save lives, and state and local officials should support this goal. All detention facilities in your state should cooperate fully with ICE, honor immigration detainers, and permit ICE to interview detainees in custody to determine immigration status. I urge you to reach an agreement with ICE that allows them to remove illegal aliens in custody of Minnesota's prisons and jails and avoids pushing these interactions into your streets.