MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[303gmf]

I reject the idea that enforcing border laws is comparable to the systematic genocide of over 6,000,000 Jews.

The Minnesota border of what? Canada, Wisconsin or Iowa
History informs us all it begins with fellow humans the regime deems who is undesirable

 

[Inthedetails]

I predict two shooters will be charged.

Furthermore, I predict based on opinion and based on what's missing in the details, that conspiracy-related crimes will be charged. After the shooting, DHS Bovino stated a name. My opinion is they scrambled to completely fabricate the notion that there was a target -- Jose Huerta-Chuma. I predict there will be no DHS document nor communication that can be produced from before Saturday to support ANY planning/targeting him. Bovino likely in my opinion told somebody quick pull some name off a list somewhere. All solely my opinion.

And now Bovino is whisked out of town, soon to retire.

jmopinion

 

[Sundog]

Job? No one mentioned a “job”

Humans care and attempt to protect their fellow citizen’s, neighbors and employees throughout history, this is what we are witnessing, not a job a humanitarian duty

Our collective taxes are being spent outrageously on this assault on communities who don’t need or welcome these untrained hopped up aggressors

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting undocumented immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

 

[Inthedetails]

I reject the idea that enforcing border laws is comparable to the systematic genocide of over 6,000,000 Jews.

And I reject the idea that surging troops into a state that is already handling criminals without 3000 additional agents working without warrants is comparable to law and order.

“Despite our best efforts to correct the record and engage directly with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, they continue to publicly repeat information that is inaccurate and misleading. This is no longer a simple misunderstanding,” Schnell said. “At best, DHS fundamentally misunderstands Minnesota’s correctional system. At a minimum, this reflects systemic data management inadequacies or incompetence as it relates to DHS tracking detainers and custody. At worst, it is pure propaganda. Numbers released without evidence to stoke fear rather than inform the public.”

Minnesota Department of Corrections highlights false arrest claims by Homeland Security

Minnesota prison officials are continuing to push back against misleading claims and misinformation by the Department of Homeland Security.

kstp.com

and

Combating DHS Misinformation

Combatting DHS Misinformation / Department of Corrections

mn.gov

 

[branmuffin]

Keep in mind that Minnesota law states that the permit to carry must be on the person when they carry along with ID. He did not have those. So, he may not have been lawfully carrying.

Minneapolis shooting: What we know about death of Alex Pretti

Trump officials says federal agents shot in self-defence, as Pretti's parents accuse them of "sickening lies".

www.bbc.com

I don't believe a word out of their mouths. They've given no indication to me, that they followed a disciplined approach to their jobs. If we are relying on this band of misfits to provide accurate information I think we already how this will turn out. BBC is reporting what they've been told.

Just like the Trump administration is telling the general public how this event transpired even though all videos provided show a dramatically different sequence of events. When those jackals were rifling through his pockets I don't discount the fact that they purposefully did not disclose his permit because to do so means more oversight and that's the last thing they need.

 

[MrsWatson]

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting illegal immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

Which of the women they pushed down was an "illegal immigrant"? Why did they push her and how does that come under the job description of arresting illegal immigrants?

Just like AP, she was doing nothing illegal.

Why didn't the agents just walk away and get a warrant since they couldn't get into the doughnut shop? What legal procedure were they following by engaging with the protesters, instead of ignoring them?

 

[Inthedetails]

Keep in mind that Minnesota law states that the permit to carry must be on the person when they carry along with ID. He did not have those. So, he may not have been lawfully carrying.

Minneapolis shooting: What we know about death of Alex Pretti

Trump officials says federal agents shot in self-defence, as Pretti's parents accuse them of "sickening lies".

www.bbc.com

The article linked is three days old. Smearing the victim is not even being done by the authorities any longer.

jmopinion

 

[Emerald1328]

I’m scared for my community. Trump is here today in what I think is his first public remarks since this past weekend and I know a protest is planned. I’m sure Alex Pretti didn’t wake up that morning expecting to lose his life. Thankfully, the suburb where it is happening is so graciously giving protestors a “free-speech zone”, which I’m pretty sure is against the constitution but who knows anymore.

“We understand that people want to come and exercise their First Amendment rights, and we fully support that here in Clive,” said police Chief Mark Rehberg. “That’s why we’re giving them an area that’s safe, away from traffic, so they can do that.”

Clive police stress safety, respect ahead of Trump visit and planned protests

Rehberg said protesters are allowed to bring signs, noisemakers and loudspeakers, and no permits are required to demonstrate. He added that officers will be present to ensure everyone remains safe and within the law.

www.kcci.com

 

[CrimeDawg123]

MSNow reporting no civil rights probe into the shooting of Alex Pretti

No civil rights violation probe into latest MN shooting, sources tell MS NOW

As DHS takes over the federal investigation, current and former law enforcement agents warn that Trump’s DOJ isn’t committed to facts or fairness.

www.ms.now

After no civil rights probe into the shooting of Renee Good

Justice Department sees no basis for civil rights probe in Minnesota ICE shooting, official says

A top Justice Department official says there is not currently any basis to open a criminal civil rights investigation into the killing of a woman by a U.S.

apnews.com

It's getting hard to keep up.

 

[detective.moon]

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting illegal immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

but @Sundog do you really see good officers, just following the law here? do you think people are protesting and documenting violence, just to “interfere” for fun? do you know that not everyone who ICE has targeted is an illegal immigrant or a criminal? do you not see anything worrying about their methods? do you not see the cruelty? i find it hard to understand your point of view, and why you are finding ways to shift the blame to the innocent victim and others like him

 

[303gmf]

There is no "humanitarian duty" to interfere with federal immigration officers who are following the law and arresting illegal immigrants. The humanitarian duty would have been to never encourage millions of people to enter our country illegally.

Encouraged? Please
In Minnesota?
Why not Texas? Arizona, California who share a border with those you’re deeming illegal ?
I don’t consider humans wanting and working for a better life as illegal

 

[TalkToTofana]

Is there a thread for Marimar Martinez?

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Furthermore, I predict based on opinion and based on what's missing in the details, that conspiracy-related crimes will be charged. After the shooting, DHS Bovino stated a name. My opinion is they scrambled to completely fabricate the notion that there was a target -- Jose Huerta-Chuma. I predict there will be no DHS document nor communication that can be produced from before Saturday to support ANY planning/targeting him. Bovino likely in my opinion told somebody quick pull some name off a list somewhere. All solely my opinion.

SBM - I think you are correct.

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5705052-border-patrol-target-information-discrepancy/

“Bovino claimed Jose Huerta-Chuma, who Border Patrol agents were targeting Saturday morning, had a criminal history that included domestic assault to intentionally inflict bodily harm, disorderly conduct, and driving without a valid license.

The state’s DOC says Huerta-Chuma had never been in custody, based on the department’s data records and court data. The records also showed Huerta-Chuma had committed no felonies in the state, nor was he currently under supervision from the state.

“DOC records further indicate that an individual by this name was previously held in federal immigration custody in a local Minnesota jail in 2018, during President Trump’s first administration,” the department said in a statement. “Any decisions regarding release from federal custody at that time would have been made by federal authorities. DOC has no information explaining why this individual was released.””

 

[Summerliz03]

The president has made new remarks today about the shooting and he is apparently now against the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. That’s a very interesting stance given his base.

Edit: not sure why that YouTube video isn’t pulling, but here’s an article about what he said today.

'You can’t have guns': Trump stuns with anti-2nd Amendment demand for protestors

President Donald Trump on Tuesday agreed with the criticism that no one should carry a gun to a protest. The president spoke to the press before heading to Des Moines, Iowa to discuss his economic agenda after his first year in office. A key topic was the recent shooting of Minneapolis ICU nurse...

www.alternet.org

Americans are no longer allowed to walk around with a gun, according to Trump.

 

[Yellowbelly]

Fair enough. I also linked to MBFC. If anyone can link a source proving different - I’d like to see it. moo

Here’s another fact check source -

https://factually.co/fact-checks/society/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-phrase-meaning-c3a1c3

5. Assessment and what remains unproven
Based on the supplied reporting, the claim that the phrase functions as a shorthand for Nazi-style collective reprisal is widely circulated and used rhetorically, and commentators tie it to Lidice and other Nazi reprisals—yet the sources provided do not include archival proof that the exact English wording “One of ours, all of yours” was an official Nazi slogan in 1942; the evidence in these excerpts is inferential and rhetorical rather than documentary. To move from plausible association to verified etymology would require primary-source confirmation—wartime orders, propaganda texts, or credible historian citations—not present in the materials supplied here, and that absence should temper absolutist claims even as the phrase’s invocation remains politically and morally potent.

I do wonder if the fact checkers are looking in the right place. They aren't likely to find it in Nazi Germany as the allegation is that it's a slogan from Francoist Spain. Not being a Spanish speaker myself it's not really something I'm able to look into. I do notice, though, that the first part of the phrase "Uno de los nuestros, todos de los vuestros" is actually the Spanish language title of the film GoodFellers! So perhaps 'one of ours....' is a concept that does have some meaning in Spanish.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is a phrase dating back to the Spanish Civil War, as that war was fought with incredible levels of brutality on both sides, and the concept of wiping out whole villages in revenge for the death of one soldier is something that happened across Nazi occupied Europe.

It does make me wonder what the DHS thought 'One of ours, all of yours' meant if they were using it at an official briefing. May it, perhaps, give some insight into the mindset of the department and those working for it on the ground in Minnesota?

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[Cryptic]

Exactly. Strange, eh? Their opinion changes depending on how it suits them.

Humans are strange.

I have a funny feeling that changing "anti ICE protester" to "Pro Life protester" and..... a certain number of people would be dialing the prudence component of legal weapons carrying waaaay up.

Some of those same humans who now cry "murder" could well be crying "FAFO" regarding a pro lifer's decision to carry a weapon to a protest. Others would be "shocked and appalled" at the lack of personal responsibility.

Of course, others would strongly deny any personal bias and claim that human behavior is restricted solely to the humans on the other side.....

 

[JennieM]

34m ago

Trump says Noem will not step down​

Asked whether Homeland Security secretary Kristi Noem would step down, Trump replied that she would not.

“I think she’s done a very good job",” he said of Noem, as calls mount for her resignation. “I think she’s doing a very good job. The border is totally secure.”
He continued: “You know, you forget we had a border that I inherited where millions of people were coming through. Now we have a border where no one is coming through. They come into our country only legally. So you have to remember those things. You know people forget. As soon as you accomplish something, it goes into history, and nobody ever wants to talk about it.”

Donald Trump backs Kristi Noem as calls mount to fire homeland security chief – live

US president says Noem is ‘doing a very good job’ amid growing criticism of administration’s immigration crackdown after two US citizens were killed

www.theguardian.com

 

[tlcya]

people defending the shooting feel the victim was "inserting" "interfering" "assaulting" and "impeding" while others (myself included) feel the victim was doing none of those things.

Those who feel Alex Pretti interfered, I welcome your description of exactly what action on the part of the victim you are construing as interfering.

Was it his presence there?
Your rights are strongest in what are known as “traditional public forums,” such as streets, sidewalks, and parks.

Was it his filming?
When you are lawfully present in any public space, you have the right to photograph anything in plain view

Was it specifically his presence in the street?
You don’t need a permit to march in the streets or on sidewalks, as long as marchers don’t obstruct car or pedestrian traffic.

Was it his possession of a firearm or ammunition?
see MN statute Sec. 624.714 below
Know your rights
MN statute Sec. 624.714

 

[JennieM]

45m ago
Speaking briefly to reporters as he departed the White House for Iowa, Trump said he would be “watching over” the investigation into Pretti’s killing by federal agents.

“Well you know we’re doing a big investigation,” Trump said, as the blades of Marine One spin loudly behind him on the White House lawn. “I want to see the investigation. I’m going to be watching over it. I want a very honorable and honest investigation. I have to see it myself.”

In response to another question about the fatal encounter, which was difficult to hear, Trump said: “I’m looking at that whole situation. I love everybody. I love all of our people. I love [Pretti’s] family. And it’s a very sad situation.”

He said his border czar Tom Homan had just met with Walz in Minneapolisand would meet with the city’s mayor, Jacob Frey, later today. “All going very well,” Trump said. (He offered a similar assessment of the US economy, Russia and Syria.)

Donald Trump backs Kristi Noem as calls mount to fire homeland security chief – live

US president says Noem is ‘doing a very good job’ amid growing criticism of administration’s immigration crackdown after two US citizens were killed

www.theguardian.com

 

[JennieM]

2h ago

Alex Pretti suffered broken rib in confrontation with federal agents a week before he was fatally shot - CNN​

CNN has learned that federal immigration officers have been collecting personal information about protesters in Minneapolis – and had documented details about Alex Pretti before he was fatally shot on Saturday.

It is unclear how Pretti first came to the attention of federal authorities. But sources told CNN that about a week before his death, Pretti “suffered a broken rib when a group of federal officers tackled him while he was protesting their attempt to detain other individuals”.

Per CNN’s report: “The earlier incident started when [Pretti] stopped his car after observing Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents chasing what he described as a family on foot, and began shouting and blowing his whistle, according to a source who asked not to be named out of fear of retribution.

“Pretti later told the source that five agents tackled him, and one leaned on his back — an encounter that left him with a broken rib. The agents quickly released him at the scene.

“‘That day, he thought he was going to die,’ said the source.

“Pretti was later given medication consistent with treating a broken rib, according to records reviewed by CNN.”

DHS did not respond to CNN’s questions about Pretti’s previous encounter or more details about efforts to collect information on protesters.

A memo sent earlier this month to agents temporarily sent to Minneapolisinstructed them to “capture all images, license plates, identifications, and general information on hotels, agitators, protestors, etc., so we can capture it all in one consolidated form,” according to correspondence reviewed by CNN.

A wreath surrounds an image of Alex Pretti at the makeshift memorial near the site where he was fatally shot by federal agents in Minneapolis. Photograph: Tim Evans/Reuters

Donald Trump backs Kristi Noem as calls mount to fire homeland security chief – live

US president says Noem is ‘doing a very good job’ amid growing criticism of administration’s immigration crackdown after two US citizens were killed

www.theguardian.com