MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

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Pretti chose to twice intervene in law enforcement operations that did not involve him. MLK was a man that advocated for peaceful protest. I find it disgusting that Pretti is compared to MLK or JFK.
in what specific ways did Pretti come between so as to prevent or alter a result or course of events?
 
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SBM

Protecting criminal and other illegal immigrants? How is that their job?
Pretti was protecting his rights and the rights of the woman who was pushed to the ground and pepper sprayed. How is shooting someone in the back border patrols job?
 
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Pretti chose to twice intervene in law enforcement operations that did not involve him.

Hold up, are you now suggesting he deserved to be shot, because he interrupted the LE?
 
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Nevermind, DBM because J6 is not the topic of this thread, the homicide of Alex Pretti is.

But to answer your query @Inthedetails yeah, pretty sure we officially jumped the shark a while back
 
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Well, it goes ALL the way up, doesn’t it.
I also think Miller is behind the mission in Minnesota. I suspect he didn't think people would protest in the winter, not realizing Minnesotans love their state and each other, and they are willing to be outdoors in sub-zero temperatures. And long winters give them long stamina to see this through. Minnesotans were underestimated.

Miller was not at the meeting with Trump and Noem last night. Not sure what that means, but I remain shocked Noem is still in position. It's a horrible look to keep her there. imo

jmopinion
 
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Pretti chose to twice intervene in law enforcement operations that did not involve him. MLK was a man that advocated for peaceful protest. I find it disgusting that Pretti is compared to MLK or JFK.
There is no evidence of that. Please link to some.
 
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Pretti chose to twice intervene in law enforcement operations that did not involve him. MLK was a man that advocated for peaceful protest. I find it disgusting that Pretti is compared to MLK or JFK.
Keep in mind that this is not a partisan issue. It's an issue of the facts and humanity.

Many, many Republican officials have condemned Pretti's killing and demanded an investigation.


FWIW, right before his death Pretti was helping a woman ICE Agents had violently and brutally shoved to the ground. Many videos are available. We must all try to watch it objectively, and think of the humanity and facts before anything else. There was no legal justification for murdering Pretti, and people on both sides have agreed as such.
 
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not laughing at you but at the dichotomy

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Guns, ammo … even a boat: how Oath Keepers plotted an armed coup

President Trump took decisive action to pardon January 6 defendants who were unfairly targeted, overcharged, and used as political examples.
January 6: A Date Which Will Live in Infamy

So, to recap: armed men storm Whitehouse to disrupt peaceful transfer of power. No problem pardon those patriotic felllows. Alex Pretti, documenting ICE agents with a registered, permited holstered weapon, is met with

"Well, that being said," Trump returned to the reporter, "you can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns. You just can't. Listen, you can't walk in with guns. You can't do that. It's just a very unfortunate incident." 'You can’t have guns': Trump stuns with anti-2nd Amendment demand for protestors

we live in bizarro world at this point.

ETA LMAO I just hovered over my own post and saw that the white house link I posted in it is considered low credibility. You've got that right ;)
The hypocrisy is astounding and so disingenuous.
 
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There is no evidence of that. Please link to some.
MLK was attacked and beaten for his peaceful protests. Mr. Pretti was attacked and beaten for his peaceful protest. He helped an attacked woman. He was killed for THAT. Mr. Pretti being compared to MLK or JFK would make the MLK and JFK we all know, very proud. DIsgust? IMO
 
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Keep in mind that this is not a partisan issue. It's an issue of the facts and humanity.

Many, many Republican officials have condemned Pretti's killing and demanded an investigation.


FWIW, right before his death Pretti was helping a woman ICE Agents had violently and brutally shoved to the ground. Many videos are available. We must all try to watch it objectively, and think of the humanity and facts before anything else. There was no legal justification for murdering Pretti, and people on both sides have agreed as such.
Yep that's right Facts and Humanity things that many people have completely lost sight of.
 
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The targets of federal immigration enforcement that day are not known to the public, except the one target who it is reported (not by federal law enforcement) hid out in a local business building. There may have been other targets in the area, we don't know. Speculating about what federal immigration enforcements should or should not have done after they weren't immediately able to apprehend that target is just that, speculation. Maybe they were waiting for a warrant to arrive. Maybe they were rethinking their operations as they waited, etc. It is pure speculation that they should have left that area.

Whatever it is they should have been doing when the person they were chasing got away, I am 100% sure it wasnt passing the time by assaulting and executing citizens!
 
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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem met with President Donald Trump in the Oval Office on Monday, two sources told ABC News, as the administration faces fallout over federal agent operations in Minnesota and Pretti's shooting.

Noem's top adviser, Corey Lewandowski, White House chief of staff Susie Wiles, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt and White House communications director Steven Cheung were also present, according to sources.
Noem met with Trump, other officials Monday: Sources

not present at that meeting was White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller
 
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Moo...no doubt about it, pointing and shooting a gun while protesting is over the line. But Mr Pretti was not doing that. Cameras and whistles are not weapons...moo
 
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I do not deny this fact, never did. In my opinion the man made a poor choice to do so that day, and under the totality of circumstances. It is also my opinion that had he not had that firearm on his person, and inserted himself in to the incident, he would likely be alive today.

In my opinion, his firearm in this case played a critical role in how the event unfolded, and will likely be a point of consideration in the investigation.
I’m not convinced at all that it wouldn’t have ended the same way had he not had a firearm on him. Nevermind the fact that he didn’t take it out, so how would they have known that before shooting him, 10 times, in the back while he was on his knees and blinded by pepper spray, 5 or 6 of the shots being as he lay lifeless on the ground, and then all the agents standing back dumbfounded for 30 seconds before rifling through his dead body, while simultaneously preventing a doctor from giving lifesaving CPR for at least two minutes.
 
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Actually this would have never happened if ICE wasn’t eagerly incompetent attacking citizen taxpayers just because they’re perpetually pissed off bullies mentally capable of shoving a women to the ground.

Guess the ICE mental fitness screening proudly matches the Department of War Monger ideals of comportment.

ICE is over their head, there’s been rapid hiring, apparent inadequate training on protester rights and safety, maintaining mental health fitness in high tension situations among other modules.

LE is trained when dealing with civil protest that their job is that of ensuring safety, protecting First Amendment Rights, ensuring operational continuity, and de-escalating potential conflicts with the public they serve.

Engaging in conversation with protesters to understand concerns and clarify expectations on both sides; learning to interact with counter protesters to prevent violence.

“Observe, Breathe, Connect” method is taught.

Thin skinned cold as ice ICE should have left when their prey alluded them and let local sworn officers provide community safety and care for their protesting citizenry.

ICE are emboldened by belligerent leadership, anonymity, celebrated dehumanization of “enemies” leading to them thinking themselves above the people they serve ex.“boo hoo” comment.

US taxpayers dollars are allocated by the Senate for ICE officers salary.

ICE officers take an oath to protect US citizens.



Imo
ICE are also emboldened by being able to cover their faces. Nothing to see here gentleman, move along.
 
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I’m not convinced at all that it wouldn’t have ended the same way had he not had a firearm on him. Nevermind the fact that he didn’t take it out, so how would they have known that before shooting him, 10 times, in the back while he was on his knees and blinded by pepper spray, 5 or 6 of the shots being as he lay lifeless on the ground, and then all the agents standing back dumbfounded for 30 seconds before rifling through his dead body, while simultaneously preventing a doctor from giving lifesaving CPR for at least two minutes.
They only knew he was not like them. They know that he saw them shove a woman to the ground. They know he attempted to help her up. He was murdered for all of this. THEY did not know he had his legally carried gun till the man in grey found it on him and ran off with it. Can't be more simple. They were going to main him with the pepper spray in his face, beat him on the ground, THEN one decided he would empty about 10 bullets into his back. NOTHING simpler than this. It is seen, it is known and the evidence is also known to any LE and investigators. Now, what will be done with this? IMO
 
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Nomenclature alert: protesting is now referred to in some circles as “interfering”.

There is no change in meaning beyond being a preferred word with a hoped but failed negative connotation by individuals that don’t understand the Constitution.

Or the role of federal employees on home ground or states rights or civil rights history but I digress, the President doesn’t either.

Used in a sentence: On Jan 6 there were waves of armed persons entering the Capital interfering with the peaceful transfer of power.

All Capital interference persons loved, forgiven, completely absolved and exalted!

So let’s us embrace any reference to interfering its a good thing only mean unfair people who don’t love pardons for criminals would think it’s not.


*Mr. Pretti was a hero, like all Nurses, but I thank him in addition to that for his special service to the medical care of the Veterans.




All imo
 
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They only knew he was not like them. They know that he saw them shove a woman to the ground. They know he attempted to help her up. He was murdered for all of this. THEY did not know he had his legally carried gun till the man in grey found it on him and ran off with it. Can't be more simple. They were going to main him with the pepper spray in his face, beat him on the ground, THEN one decided he would empty about 10 bullets into his back. NOTHING simpler than this. It is seen, it is known and the evidence is also known to any LE and investigators. Now, what will be done with this? IMO
Moo... actually it was 2 separate ice agents. One shot first then the second shot after while he was probably already dead....moo
 
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Keep in mind that Minnesota law states that the permit to carry must be on the person when they carry along with ID. He did not have those. So, he may not have been lawfully carrying.
So far I’ve only heard DHS say he didn’t have an ID. Forgive me if I never believe another word they say. If there is a link to an entity other than one within the administration, I would love to see it.
 

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