MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[Yellowbelly]

Is the prior "incident" you are referring to the one <modsnip: Removed totally unnecessary snark about a victim > armed with a pistol spitting at officers and breaking the tail light on one of their vehicles?

Armed with a pistol and kicking out tali lights may well have put him on a watch list. Thinking that if I did something similar with local police, I would be on a watch list. Then factor in that he was wearing similar clothes on both incidents.

<modsnip>

I still currently doubt the over need to shoot him.... but my sympathy for him if fading fast.

Clearly, things are done differently in America. If I did that to a police car here in the UK, I wouldn't expect to be on a watch list. I'd expect to be locked up. It's a mystery to me why Alex Pretti wasn't. All they seem to have done to him is beaten him up and let him go, which doesn't strike me as being terribly professional.

In any case, if he was on a watch list after the earlier incident, wouldn't that make the shooting even worse? It would suggest he was deliberately targeted, at least for being beaten up. 'Oh, it's you again is it......'

 

[Hexe]

Free speech and second amendment rights aside, it looks the peaceful nurse might have been seeking a confrontation..... and he found what he was looking for- go figure.

Please point me to the video that shows Alex Pretti was confrontational in the moments before he was tackled and shot.

Please point me to the US law that says the confrontational citizens will be executed hy the LE on the spot.

 

[Charlot123]

Some will go down the path of questioning the actions that occurred leading up to the shooting, others will take the perspective that it doesn't matter what happened prior to the shooting because there was no justification under any circumstances. From there, the great divide begins.

Two groups in conflict. Rigid defence of the choice made at the outset. No benefit of the doubt. No human factor. A micro-community reflecting the national community.

If we want to understand events prior to the shooting, the question is whether Pretti was an observer, or whether he had a history of antagonizing or interfering with federal officers. Could he be perceived as a threat?

Two interpretations of the same event: he posed no threat, he kicked out the tail light of a federal officer vehicle that was leaving the scene. What were Pretti and the officers experiencing in that moment?

Alternatively, we could ignore everything prior to the shooting and conclude that when an observer damages federal officer property, or when an officer says "gun", no one should react. Which results in a safer community?

"A week before Alex was shot and killed in the street—though he posed no threat to anyone—he was violently assaulted by a group of ICE agents," the Pretti family's attorney
...

The footage shows Pretti yelling at the officers and kicking out a car's taillight. The officers then exit the car and wrestle Pretti to the ground. The footage was filmed on January 13, 11 days before his death.
...

At one point, when Pretti turns around, something resembling a pistol can be seen tucked into his waistband. This was also visible in the footage from the day he was shot.

During the confrontation between Pretti and the officers, bystanders can be seen shouting, honking their horns, and filming with their phones. To keep the bystanders at bay, the officers used tear gas, among other things."​

see video:

Beelden opgedoken van eerdere confrontatie tussen Alex Pretti en agenten, dagen voor dood

Op de beelden is te zien hoe Pretti schreeuwt naar de agenten en een achterlicht van een auto kapot trapt.

nos.nl

@otto,

First and foremost,

They went as far back as to show us the photo of what happened a week ago?

But we haven’t seen what Alex himself filmed the day of his death about the border patrol?

Whoever offers this propaganda can see why it falls on deaf ears now?

And mainly, Pretti’s prior history with the border patrol in Minnesota (and in general)
plays no role in the eyes of the people watching the video of him being killed.

Again: remember Floyd because it can explain how people process such material.

The police had the reason to question him about the fake money he paid, Floyd had a serious prior criminal history before, possible confrontations with the same policeman, even…but to the country watching the video, it did not matter! What mattered was, “if they work like this, I could be in his shoes, too”.

Same here. Everyone has seen the same videos. From different angles. Alex Pretti has become a household name, he has become a symbol of martyrdom IMHO, a civilian whose life was cut too short by the ICE invading Minneapolis.

Perhaps the video of him saying honors to the dead veteran may add another dimension to the human (the calm voice), but even this plays a small role.

The video of his death has now entered history. It can’t be undone or predated by anything else.

And most of us have the more reason to request that the contents of Alex’s own video on the day he was killed are shown before they show what he did to a car one week ago.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

This may come as a shock, but the protesters are regular, working citizens, retired, students who care about their town and their neighbors. They care about the tearing down of our democracy. When there is clearly abuse of power and stripping of our rights, people show up. At least conscientious, caring people do. Might be difficult for some to think so many are dictated by their heart and moral compass and not money.

Well said. MOO. I can tell you protests in my state are not being organized by some shadowy political figures. They’re organized by the same people who give coats and hot hands to our homeless community and are willing to drive them to cold shelters, who organize food shares and food drives, who organize community events, who carol in our neighborhoods around Christmas. The protestors are hosted by our churches and our free clinics. They are not ominous figures. They don’t want to hurt anyone. They are everyday people who love where they live, and truly love their neighbors.

<modsnip> MOO

 

[Ruminations]

It seems that their stated procedure was to form their own perimeter for their operation. It is what the additional ICE people were sent to Minneapolis for (apparently).

And Bovino was removed from his commander position and sent back to his previous position at El Centro. Probably for not following stated procedures. imo


Stephen Miller said the White House had “provided clear guidance to DHS that the extra personnel that had been sent to Minnesota for force protection should be used for conducting fugitive operations to create a physical barrier between the arrest teams and the disruptors.”

“We are evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following that protocol,” he said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/01/27/politics/stephen-miller-alex-pretti-trump

Not sure I follow why that protocol would be proper. Citizens have the right to watch. Those citizens were plenty far away, and if they were not, ICE should have called local police

MOO

 

[Hexe]

Then again, could the real brains behind these protests be manipulating the gulliable into risking their lives

What real brains? What exactly are you suggesting?

 

[tlcya]

still waiting for someone to explain to me with specificity in what ways they feel AP interfered impeded escalated provoked or assaulted the agents who ultimately killed him on January 24, 2026. I don't mean his mere presence in the general vicinity of a stalled targeted operation, I don't mean his having a legal firearm on him. I mean show me what actions he took in those moments that constitutes the BBM.

 

[Cryptic]

Clearly, things are done differently in America. If I did that to a police car here in the UK, I wouldn't expect to be on a watch list. I'd expect to be locked up.

I have no idea how police operate in other countries. Some countries may not maintain such lists- but take the possession of weapons very seriously.

Various types of watch lists appear to be routine here. Some lists are reviewable. For example, my former friend was on a local watch list and obtained a copy of the information supporting his placement on it:

- complaints of loud parties, complaints of "donuts" on private property. Officers noting that he suddenly turned around rather than drive by a police car. Other officers noting that he went off road on a dirt bike etc after spotting them. Land lords initiating eviction notices. All low level stuff- and he was a good guy. Then again, I did not need to live by him- and never rented to him

In the USA, the the placement of somebody carry a weapon (routine here) while kicking out tail lights of police cars (not so routine here) would likely be on a watch list of some sort. It would be pretty standard.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I would not want any of my relatives thinking like Pretti. Carrying a weapon and then deliberately provoking officers

I like the "disdain" imagery. Seething with disdain at the lawful authority of the agents (and betting that he knows when to stop), the not so thoughtful nurse arms himself and after some deliberation, decides to escalate things....

His parents were worried about him. They told him not to engage or do anything stupid. I wonder if this conversation came after the first encounter. imo

The parents were aware that Pretti planned to protest and had discussed it with him in a previous conversation.

“We had this discussion with him two weeks ago or so, you know, that go ahead and protest, but do not engage, do not do anything stupid, basically,” Michael told the AP.

MSN

 

[otto]

@otto,

First and foremost,

They went as far back as to show us the photo of what happened a week ago?

But we haven’t seen what Alex himself filmed the day of his death about the border patrol?

Whoever offers this propaganda can see why it falls on deaf ears now?

And mainly, Pretti’s prior history with the border patrol in Minnesota (and in general)
plays no role in the eyes of the people watching the video of him being killed.

Again: remember Floyd because it can explain how people process such material.

The police had the reason to question him about the fake money he paid, Floyd had a serious prior criminal history before, possible confrontations with the same policeman, even…but to the country watching the video, it did not matter! What mattered was, “if they work like this, I could be in his shoes, too”.

Same here. Everyone has seen the same videos. From different angles. Alex Pretti has become a household name, he has become a symbol of martyrdom IMHO, a civilian whose life was cut too short by the ICE invading Minneapolis.

Perhaps the video of him saying honors to the dead veteran may add another dimension to the human (the calm voice), but even this plays a small role.

The video of his death has now entered history. It can’t be undone or predated by anything else.

And most of us have the more reason to request that the contents of Alex’s own video on the day he was killed are shown before they show what he did to a car one week ago.

The footage was released by The News Movement, an independent media company. The release of the footage has nothing to do with federal officers.

"A newly surfaced video shows a confrontation between US federal law enforcement agents and Alex Pretti, the man who was shot and killed by Border Patrol agents last Saturday. The footage shows Pretti yelling at the officers and kicking out a car's taillight. The footage was filmed 11 days before his death.

The BBC has verified the footage. The footage was recorded by the media company: The News Movement (TNM). TNM reported that shortly after 10:00 a.m. that day, it received a tip about officers blocking the road at an intersection in Minneapolis."

Beelden opgedoken van eerdere confrontatie tussen Alex Pretti en agenten, dagen voor dood

Op de beelden is te zien hoe Pretti schreeuwt naar de agenten en een achterlicht van een auto kapot trapt.

nos.nl

 

[LAborn]

Well said. MOO. I can tell you protests in my state are not being organized by some shadowy political figures. They’re organized by the same people who give coats and hot hands to our homeless community and are willing to drive them to cold shelters, who organize food shares and food drives, who organize community events, who carol in our neighborhoods around Christmas. The protestors are hosted by our churches and our free clinics. They are not ominous figures. They don’t want to hurt anyone. They are everyday people who love where they live, and truly love their neighbors.

I have seen a lot of people imply some high level of organization because someone prints signs or brings food to a protest. I think the people who find it incredulous that neighbors can organize in this way… may be lacking community themselves. MOO

Yes, the helpers, the people with big hearts and compassion. It reveals more about them that they can't fathom such selfless goodness.

 

[LAborn]

still waiting for someone to explain to me with specificity in what ways they feel AP interfered impeded escalated provoked or assaulted the agents who ultimately killed him on January 24, 2026. I don't mean his mere presence in the general vicinity of a stalled targeted operation, I don't mean his having a legal firearm on him. I mean show me what actions he took in those moments that constitutes the BBM.

They can't. Those defending ICE can't accept a government agent would kill an American citizen in cold blood, unprovoked, it's impossible for their brain to reconcile. So it's easier to blame the victim so as not to question their faulty perceptions of the administration inflicting it. jmo

 

[Mo Thuairim]

still waiting for someone to explain to me with specificity in what ways they feel AP interfered impeded escalated provoked or assaulted the agents who ultimately killed him on January 24, 2026. I don't mean his mere presence in the general vicinity of a stalled targeted operation, I don't mean his having a legal firearm on him. I mean show me what actions he took in those moments that constitutes the BBM.

(Snip) I don't mean his mere presence

I think you'll be waiting a while.

 

[Cryptic]

We all have our contributions to this world some people are heroes some are not. We don't need everyone to be a hero but we needed at least one.

And not everyone needs the same heroes.

One of my heroes worked her self into a fatal stroke after laboring in a cause she believed in for years. She organized fantastic protests, death threats did not phase her.

But.... she clearly would not be a hero to all.

 

[Hexe]

His parents were worried about him. They told him not to engage or do anything stupid. I wonder if this conversation came after the first encounter. imo

What does that have to him being shot multiple times while pinned to the ground and disarmed?

 

[Cryptic]

His parents were worried about him. They told him not to engage or do anything stupid. I wonder if this conversation came after the first encounter. imo

Responsible leaders would have shared the same concern.

One protest organizer I knew emphasized to my group that nobody was to provoke the police, or violate the law in any way. She had other things on "though shall not list" as well.

None of the above was legally binding. But, it showed she cared deeply about those choosing to follow her lead.

 

[Cryptic]

Please point me to the video that shows Alex Pretti was confrontational in the moments before he was tackled and shot.

Please point me to the US law that says the confrontational citizens will be executed hy the LE on the spot.

I was referring to his first run in. please note that I also said that shooting him was not needed.

 

[Jade]

And not everyone needs the same heroes.

One of my heroes worked her self into a fatal stroke after laboring in a cause she believed in for years. She organized fantastic protests, death threats did not phase her.

But.... she clearly would not be a hero to all.

I think I portrayed that in my post and tried to relate AP to the celebrated armed heroes intruding on the Capital and asked is AP not like them hoping to build a bridge of thought.

all imo

 

[Cryptic]

What real brains? What exactly are you suggesting?

Orgainzers. The ones who have put in their time and skills.

 

[Cryptic]

I think I portrayed that in my post and tried to relate AP to the celebrated armed heroes intruding on the Capital and asked is AP not like them hoping to build a bridge of thought.

None of the January 06 protesters are heroes to me,