MEDICAL EXAMINER RULES ALEX PRETTI DEATH A HOMICIDE -1 - dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US Jan 24, 2026

[Ruminations]

There is a difference between immigrants that are here legally and those that are not.

Not to ICE. And that is the problem.

They are not enforcing laws. They are randomly arresting people with no basis (see the judge who recently spoke out). They are killing citizens on the street.

Fair enforcement of immigration laws is fair. I agree that you should follow immigration laws if you moved to this country. And there should be reasonable consequences for not following the laws.

We are not getting targeted enforcement of that nature from ICE. We are getting wholesale raids of people and killing of protesters.

MOO

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Are you sure you know what the definition of legal status is? TPS is considered legal status. Then, just like that it was revoked. It was revoked for Afghans who served along our military. Now they can all be deported. Do you think they want to risk going back to Afghanistan where they will be killed? I wouldn't. If it was me, I would stay here and hide.

Even those with deportation orders who are given legal parole are also here legally while they appeal the order.

According to DHS this does not apply to Afghanistan; those seem to be done on an individual bases: Temporary Protected Status | USCIS

The list also shows that these decisions on TPS can be challenged in court.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

The first question, I would think, is why are they grabbed and sent out of state when they are here legally and can prove it?

jmo

Could they at the time? I have seen some examples of people being stopped, having their status verified after about 5 minutes and then leaving.

 

[Ruminations]

People in the states where some of those "big food processors" were complaining.

When talking about all immigrants and saying how much they contribute, that doesn't tell us if they are here legally or illegally. I would suspect that people here legally contribute far more than those are not here legally.

Yeah. Tell that to the dairy farmers. Leopards ate their face big time when the administration they voted for scared their workforce into hiding.

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MOO

 

[Friday Fan]

According to DHS this does not apply to Afghanistan; those seem to be done on an individual bases: Temporary Protected Status | USCIS

The list also shows that these decisions on TPS can be challenged in court.

So, they are here legally and also they are hear legally if they are challenging their TPS in court.

 

[Friday Fan]

Could they at the time? I have seen some examples of people being stopped, having their status verified after about 5 minutes and then leaving.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Not to ICE. And that is the problem.

They are not enforcing laws. They are randomly arresting people with no basis (see the judge who recently spoke out). They are killing citizens on the street.

Fair enforcement of immigration laws is fair. I agree that you should follow immigration laws if you moved to this country. And there should be reasonable consequences for not following the laws.

We are not getting targeted enforcement of that nature from ICE. We are getting wholesale raids of people and killing of protesters.

MOO

They are stopping people, and LE can do that. It was fairly common for me to be stopped in my old neighborhood. See aboved

I do not know how targeted this enforcement is.

The question on both shootings is justification.

 

[Friday Fan]

Could they at the time? I have seen some examples of people being stopped, having their status verified after about 5 minutes and then leaving.

Her husband arrives on the scene and calls 911 and got her out jail. She's a US citizen. These are types of tactics that are used by cartels in Mexico. If you want us to be like this, then this over-enforcement is for you. I don't!!! I don't live in Mexico and I don't want these tactics used here.

I would not have gotten out of the car either. They could be rapists.

 

[Ruminations]

Could they at the time? I have seen some examples of people being stopped, having their status verified after about 5 minutes and then leaving.

Not that I believe you, but if that happened, it was illegal and un-American.

Why were they stopped?

Isn't there supposed to be probable cause? Police can't just random stop people and ask for their papers.

MOO

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Did he resist? When.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Not that I believe you, but if that happened, it was illegal and un-American.

Why were they stopped?

Isn't there supposed to be probable cause? Police can't just random stop people and ask for their papers.

MOO

It is not "probable cause" but "reasonable suspicion."

 

[Ruminations]

They are stopping people, and LE can do that. It was fairly common for me to be stopped in my old neighborhood. See aboved

I do not know how targeted this enforcement is.

The question on both shootings is justification.

They can stop anybody and ask for proof of citizenship without probable cause? They do do that, but they should not. That is why ICE has to be totally retrained.

A random stop is not allowed. Link please.

MOO

 

[thefragile7393]

Not to ICE. And that is the problem.

They are not enforcing laws. They are randomly arresting people with no basis (see the judge who recently spoke out). They are killing citizens on the street.

Fair enforcement of immigration laws is fair. I agree that you should follow immigration laws if you moved to this country. And there should be reasonable consequences for not following the laws.

We are not getting targeted enforcement of that nature from ICE. We are getting wholesale raids of people and killing of protesters.

MOO

Absolutely true on all acounts. They are not trained LE, they have no idea how to do any sort of LE.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

They can stop anybody and ask for proof of citizenship without probable cause? They do do that, but they should not. That is why ICE has to be totally retrained.

A random stop is not allowed. Link please.

MOO

They need "reasonable suspicion." That is the way it has been since 1968. The Terry decision.

 

[Ruminations]

It is not "probable cause" but "reasonable suspicion."

The point is, is a random stop okay with you? Is that what you are coming here to say, that ICE can randomly stop people with "reasonable suspicion," then arrest them, send them to Texas, send them to a foreign country, or shot them through walls ?

Is your assertion that ICE is acting lawfully and correctly?

MOO

 

[Friday Fan]

Did he resist? When.

That's the video.
They pulled him over when he was driving.

Like that young woman, who knows what they did before they threw him down. He didn't have a dashcam like she did. You need a dashcam these days. Everyone in Russia has had them for decades because of episodes like this.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

They can stop anybody and ask for proof of citizenship without probable cause? They do do that, but they should not. That is why ICE has to be totally retrained.

A random stop is not allowed. Link please.

MOO

Terry vs Ohio: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/392/1/

In one state, under state law, LE can ask for your SSN.

 

[Friday Fan]

They need "reasonable suspicion." That is the way it has been since 1968. The Terry decision.

Suspicion of breaking a law, but there is no law that states that everyone in the United States must carry a passport with them at all times.

What laws are they breaking? Not speaking English? Does that mean they can beat you and throw you in jail?

 

[Friday Fan]

Terry vs Ohio: https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/392/1/

In one state, under state law, LE can ask for your SSN.

SSN is not proof of citizenship.


Primary Documents (Proof of U.S. Citizenship)

• U.S. Passport: A valid or expired (unlimited) U.S. passport or passport card.
• Birth Certificate: A certified, civil-issued birth certificate (issued by a state, county, or municipal authority).
• Certificate of Naturalization
  :
  Form N-550 or N-570 for individuals who went through the naturalization process
  .
• • Certificate of Citizenship: Form N-560 or N-561 for individuals who acquired citizenship through parents.
  • Consular Report of Birth Abroad: Form FS-240, DS-1350, or FS-545.

Other Acceptable Documents

• Tribal Records: Documents from a federally recognized Indian tribe showing membership.
• Military Records: U.S. military record of service indicating a U.S. place of birth.
• Identification Card: U.S. Citizen Identification Card (I-197 or I-179).

 

[J. J. in Phila]

That's the video.
They pulled him over when he was driving.

Like that young woman, who knows what they did before they threw him down. He didn't have a dashcam like she did. You need a dashcam these days. Everyone in Russia has had them for decades because of episodes like this.

They pulled him over because of traffic violation, which is legit. He resisted.