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[Deleted member 117884]

How much are taxpayers shelling out for The Surge?

 

[303gmf]

No, because illegal immigrants don't have SSN's and don't pay taxes.

Please don't confuse people that are here legally, working with SSN's, with people who are working without an SSN and not paying taxes.

Trust me I’m not the least bit confused
You do realize all the money they’re paying into SS and Medicare can never be accessed?

No, because illegal immigrants don't have SSN's and don't pay taxes.

Please don't confuse people that are here legally, working with SSN's, with people who are working without an SSN and not paying taxes.

I’m definitely NOT confused

All the taxes taken out of their paychecks benefit you as well

 

[Summerliz03]

How much are taxpayers shelling out for The Surge?

What is the cost of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota?

It's a question many people have been asking: What is the cost of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota? WCCO was able to get some numbers.

www.cbsnews.com

This isn’t what I want my taxes to go to! I could think of probably 1,000 other things I’d rather spend that money on. Healthcare for ALL, higher minimum wage, paid paternal leave, cheaper groceries (LOL! Why are my eggs $10/dozen??) all MOO.

 

[303gmf]

How much are taxpayers shelling out for The Surge?

Millions while jobs are being lost

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Millions while jobs are being lost

As long as someone is being punished harshly, there is a segment of the population willing to spend their taxpayer dollars on it.

My opinion.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Important to put sources with statements. Otherwise they are just opinions.

"An estimated 11 million immigrants live in the US without authorization. Contrary to some claims, they pay a considerable amount in taxes. Some estimates suggest undocumented immigrants paid nearly $100 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022."

"If you are a US citizen, you can use your Social Security number (SSN) to file your income taxes. Immigrants who do not have a valid visa or other proof of legal status are not eligible for an SSN. Instead, these workers can apply through the IRS for an individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN, to file their taxes. As of January 2021, there were an estimated 5.4 million active ITINs."

"Most people who pay into the tax system also get access to various government programs and tax benefits. However, undocumented immigrants who pay taxes are often not eligible for the same tax benefits as US citizens. Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for Social Security retirement benefits or health insurance through Medicare (PDF), for example, even though they contribute billions of dollars to the federal payroll taxes that fund these benefits. "

Yes, Undocumented Immigrants Pay Taxes—and Receive Few Tax Benefits

taxpolicycenter.org

We should judge this, because this a "left leaning group" Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) - InfluenceWatch

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Trust me I’m not the least bit confused
You do realize all the money they’re paying into SS and Medicare can never be accessed?

I’m definitely NOT confused

All the taxes taken out of their paychecks benefit you as well

For this type of economy, they don't a paycheck. It is cash.

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Undocumented immigrants get a ITIN number to pay taxes. And for those who don’t file annual taxes, they still have payroll deductions taken out of their taxes.

Fact Check: Undocumented immigrants can and do pay taxes

Noncitizens who do not have a social security number can and do use a taxpayer identification number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) to file tax returns, contrary to posts online that suggest undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

www.reuters.com

Undocumented immigrants accounted for $96B in tax revenue in 2022. Are you saying that you think that undocumented immigrants who are doing this so called “underground economy” with their cash payments are doing so at a higher amount that $96B? That’s quite an underground economy! But if they are getting paid cash under the table, aren’t they in turn spending that money on rent/housing, food, clothing, etc. so their “underground” money is going back into the economy? I’m very confused by the claim about cash payments.

If they are getting paid in cash, they don't have a payroll deduction.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

bbm

“We are seeing people who were previously stable experience rapid deterioration in their mental health.” ...

“We are hearing from families who are terrified because their loved one is talking about suicide or has already attempted,” Schmit said. “These are not abstract concerns. These are immediate, life-threatening situations.”

Additionally, NAMI Minnesota says it has been contacted by people who describe loved ones stopping medication, disengaging from therapy or isolating themselves due to fear of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

NAMI Minnesota urges use of Mobile Crisis Response Teams - Eden Prairie Local News

The teams provide direct mental health support at a time when NAMI Minnesota says it is seeing an uptick in mental health crises.

www.eplocalnews.org

About the source: Eden Prairie is a suburb of Minneapolis

 

[J. J. in Phila]

According to the IRS, someone would need to demonstrate alien status and true identity to get an ITIN: Taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) | Internal Revenue Service Someone entering illegally is probably not going to have that.

Someone who entered legally, but let their visa lapse or change status will.

 

[iamshadow21]

Everyone pays sales tax when they pay for things, especially in this age of Trump tariffing anything that came from anywhere else. Just saying. You can't grocery shop without paying a buttload of taxes.

MOO

 

[Deleted member 117884]

bbm:


Twin Cities attorney Danielle Robinson Briand says she's been unable to find her client in immigration custody for several days despite a federal release order.

"This operation is illegal on so many levels that it's hard to fathom," said Robinson Briand, owner of Justicias Law.

She says the Honduran mother of two — who has lived in Minnesota since 2019 — was taken into custody despite having a pending asylum case, a valid work permit and recent brain surgery....

Robinson Briand says she was repeatedly denied access to her client, and the agency didn't follow her habeas corpus rules.....

A federal judge recently criticized the agency, saying, "ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence."

Attorney claims she couldn't find client in immigration custody for days, despite a federal release

Twin Cities attorney Danielle Robinson Briand says she's been unable to find her client in immigration custody for several days despite a federal release order.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Everyone pays sales tax when they pay for things, especially in this age of Trump tariffing anything that came from anywhere else. Just saying. You can't grocery shop without paying a buttload of taxes.

MOO

It depends. We don't have a national sales tax. Some states do not have them. Further, what is taxed is different in each state that has them. In PA, farmers are exempt from a lot of it.

And, in PA, most food and clothing is exempt from sales taxes.

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Undocumented immigrants pay more than $200 million in Minnesota taxes each year, according to a July 2024 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Nationwide, undocumented migrants pay close to $100 billion in taxes annually when including federal receipts.

MCLA Message on Undocumented Immigrants

A message from Minnesota Council on Latino Affairs Executive Director Rosa Tock on the myths surrounding undocumented immigrants.

mn.gov

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Undocumented immigrants pay more than $200 million in Minnesota taxes each year, according to a July 2024 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Nationwide, undocumented migrants pay close to $100 billion in taxes annually when including federal receipts.

MCLA Message on Undocumented Immigrants

A message from Minnesota Council on Latino Affairs Executive Director Rosa Tock on the myths surrounding undocumented immigrants.

mn.gov

Since the ICE surge in Minnesota began:

[N]ew data shows the city [Minneapolis] is losing upwards of $20 million every week ...

New data shows Minneapolis economy reeling since ICE's Operation Metro Surge began

The director of community planning and economic development estimates the city is losing $10 to $20 million every week.

www.kare11.com

 

[J. J. in Phila]

Undocumented immigrants pay more than $200 million in Minnesota taxes each year, according to a July 2024 report from the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy. Nationwide, undocumented migrants pay close to $100 billion in taxes annually when including federal receipts.

MCLA Message on Undocumented Immigrants

A message from Minnesota Council on Latino Affairs Executive Director Rosa Tock on the myths surrounding undocumented immigrants.

mn.gov

They quoted the same source that I just noted: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) - InfluenceWatch

 

[Deleted member 117884]

bbm


$45 billion will go to detention centers. Each person captured stays about 47 days before they are deported, costing $7,065 per person.

For perspective, the average rent in Minnesota is $1,600 a month....

The Twin Cities operation adds up to at least $360,000 a night in hotel bills. That's more than $10 million for a 30-night stay.

What is the cost of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota?

It's a question many people have been asking: What is the cost of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement operation in Minnesota? WCCO was able to get some numbers.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Deleted member 117884]

This is just one snippet, but the entire article is worth the read.


The 10th Amendment bars the Trump administration from using ICE to force state and local governments to give up their sanctuary policies

[T]he Justice Department claims the administration is not trying to coerce Minnesota state and local governments, but merely enforcing the law. But this claim is refuted by administration officials’ numerous statements to the contrary. And if the administration were truly focused on law enforcement, its agents would not be constantly breaking the law themselves. Moreover, there is no other plausible justification for such a massive federal deployment in a state where the percentage of illegal migrants is only about half the national average.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/minnesotas-compelling-10th-amendment-case-against-trumps-ice-surge

 

[J. J. in Phila]

This is just one snippet, but the entire article is worth the read.


The 10th Amendment bars the Trump administration from using ICE to force state and local governments to give up their sanctuary policies

[T]he Justice Department claims the administration is not trying to coerce Minnesota state and local governments, but merely enforcing the law. But this claim is refuted by administration officials’ numerous statements to the contrary. And if the administration were truly focused on law enforcement, its agents would not be constantly breaking the law themselves. Moreover, there is no other plausible justification for such a massive federal deployment in a state where the percentage of illegal migrants is only about half the national average.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/minnesotas-compelling-10th-amendment-case-against-trumps-ice-surge

I would not listen to CATO on this. States cannot do foreign policy: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-954_7l48.pdf

 

[Deleted member 117884]

Regarding the Federal judge in Minnesota (Republican-appointed, fwiw) and the issue of the administration ignoring court orders, bbm:

What he is calling out, in his particular case, is that the court is ordering someone to be released from ICE detention, and the government’s not releasing them. It’s that significant—fundamental liberty is at stake. And then he is referring to seventy-three other cases that all include possible habeas-corpus violations, i.e., very similar patterns of either the court ordering the government to release somebody and them not being released, or the court ordering the government to present the person to the court physically, and them not being allowed to leave detention, or the court ordering someone not to be taken out of its jurisdiction. That’s the very definition of habeas corpus—to bring the body to the court. And they haven’t been doing that. There’s another very pernicious pattern that arises in these cases, which is that the court orders the government not to transfer the individual out of their jurisdiction, and the government goes ahead and transfers them out of their jurisdiction anyway, often to Texas, where there’s a more favorable judicial climate, which can effectively deny the person their real rights before the court in Minnesota....

What’s happening in the courtroom is part of a broader slide towards lawlessness, because defiance of court orders is connected to another ICE policy: the agency repeatedly states that its entire system of arrest is based on reasonable suspicion. And that is legally invalid because arrests have to be based on probable cause.....

It is also important to note that D.H.S. has authorized ICE agents to enter homes without a judicial warrant. To me, these two policies are putting ICE operations on the road to a very different form of legal system than the one we’re used to. They’re breaking rules. ....

It’s even become very hard for us, as a research team, to catalogue all the times the Administration has defied court orders, because it is now happening at such a high number across the country.


more at: Is ICE Leading Us Into a Constitutional Crisis?