Mel Gibson's latest racist rant

[jjenny]

I just don't know what to say anymore. The story just keeps getting worse, Mel keeps getting wierder, and Oksana keeps getting more unfathomable.

What I don't get is she keeps saying she is saving the life of her child and that she signed a paper. But that paper appears to have been a short form settlement. So he's good enough to keep the tapes quiet and take his money, but at a certain point, he's a "monster" and she has to save her child(ren).
So the kids weren't good enough to save until she wasn't satisfied with the settlement.

I'm not defending HIM...there's no defense for his behavior. But I'm not getting her "logic".

She didn't get the money. She walked away from that deal.

 

[Rindicella]

She didn't get the money. She walked away from that deal.

Thank you!!!!

That's really what I wanted to know ---some news reports say she did, others say no....trying to figure this out, through the lens of all the reporting has been very frustrating.

At the same time, my question is: why did she even go to a meeting with those lawyers (his?)????? I mean, if she never wanted a settlement, and ONLY wanted her kids to be safe (which I completely understand) why even bother going in the first place? Why entertain it???

Not to say she should be "more like me" but....when I was in that position (and I was) I refused ALL meetings with mediators and lawyers. My attorney was under strict instructions to reject ALL offers and inform opposing counsel that we would see them in court.

That's the part I still don't get.

 

[jjenny]

Thank you!!!!

That's really what I wanted to know ---some news reports say she did, others say no....trying to figure this out, through the lens of all the reporting has been very frustrating.

At the same time, my question is: why did she even go to a meeting with those lawyers (his?)????? I mean, if she never wanted a settlement, and ONLY wanted her kids to be safe (which I completely understand) why even bother going in the first place? Why entertain it???

Not to say she should be "more like me" but....when I was in that position (and I was) I refused ALL meetings with mediators and lawyers. My attorney was under strict instructions to reject ALL offers and inform opposing counsel that we would see them in court.

That's the part I still don't get.

I don't know that she didn't want the settlement. She might have rejected the settlement because Gibson did want part time custody of the child, and she did not want him to have custody at all. At least there was a story floating around that she did reject a large settlement offer because of that issue.

 

[Elphaba]

Am I the only one that can't listen to the tapes all the way through, without feeling emotionally pummeled? The tone and language is too much to deal with, for me...

 

[Rindicella]

I don't know that she didn't want the settlement. She might have rejected the settlement because Gibson did want part time custody of the child, and she did not want him to have custody at all. At least there was a story floating around that she did reject a large settlement offer because of that issue.

i'm sorry if I seem "stuck"...I am not arguing with you or your posting here. I get what YOU are saying. (Cause you're a reasonable human being with normal communication skills ---LOL!)
I totally get what you are saying.

but I am still confused about Oksana's possible motivation.

if her only concern, from the beginning, was her children's safety, why even go to ANY meetings with his lawyers???
if her children are so precious TO HER, why would she EVER entertain thoughts of a settlement and a meeting with his lawyers???

that's the part that's still unexplained to me?
At best, in this scenario she wants:
Money AND full custody. (that old saying, "You can't have it both ways" applies here.)

I can fully understand and appreciate the full custody part. But what kind of mother puts a price on that? Edited: I'm sorry --- my apologies. I should say : What kind of PARENT puts a price on that. /end edit

In my own case, I fought NOT to receive child support of ANY kind. Unfortunately a custodial parent cannot "refuse" child support. (Unbelievable but true, according to URISA) Believe it or not, I eventually won a "minimum" child support order. Our logic was:
If we could get the support argued to the minimum, it would be easier to prove "neglect" in the future if he failed to pay. Which he did. And we eventually filed for temrination of his rights based on "abandonment". And we won. ( i know, it's a long shot, but I live in Reno --- this is a gambling town and we're used to taking risks like that. LOL)
So, in the end, I got zero child support (fine and dandy for me) and FULL custody. (None, not even visitation for him.) In the interim, I argued for, and won, through evidentiary hearings and discovery, only "supervised" visitation for the duration of trial. We bi-furcated the case (allowable in my state) which means that divorce and custody are treated as separate cases. As I understand it, Mel and Oksana were never married, so all they had was a custody case between them. That is, to settle custody of the child and rights to visitation. No marriage, no community property to settle, etc.

do you (or anyone else?) kind of see where I am headed with that reasoning?
If her only concern was safety, then meeting with his lawyers for a "settlement agreement" was dumb.

If all she wanted was the child(ren)'s safety, then she should have just gone to police, filed immediately and filed for TRO, while simultaneously handing over the tapes to law enforcement. But she waited MONTHS...and the tapes were only leaked AFTER she rejected a settlement offer. If it were me, I would have:
a) filed for TRO
b) handed the tapes to LE immediately for a criminal case
c) sought my own attorney (there'd be gobs of them willing to do this HIGH PROFILE case for her PRO Bono!)
d) rejected all offers/settlement agreements
e) rejected all offers for tea parties with anyone's lawyer except my own

This whole scene, of her chronological behaviour/actions makes her LOOK BAD....

 

[Roze]

It would seem she had plenty of grounds to limit, deny or restrict visitation according to the law based on Gibson's behavior on those tapes and given his history with substance abuse. Why did this need this to become a public three ring circus?

O made cryptic remarks to the press in April:

"I can tell you that … we have split up, suddenly and recently," Grigorieva said Monday during a press conference in Moscow. "Unfortunately, I cannot give you the reason. But you will find out everything quite soon."
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She also made cryptic remarks in the tapes "Oh you will answer."

It would appear she intended to leak the tapes all along no matter what contract was put in front of her. Revenge?

If she didn't want Gibson to see the child or have limited or supervised visits couldn't that have been worked out in the contract and this entire thing kept quiet? Gibson allegedly knew of the existence of the tapes. I would think he would just giver her what she wanted in terms of custody to keep all this quiet. His side is claiming her walking away was always about wanting more money than the original $15 million to keep the tapes out of the press. So it's either Gibson wouldn't agree to her custody demands or she wanted more money. It was probably both of them refusing to budge. He's certainly obstinate enough and she appears greedy enough.

But based on O's own cryptic comments I don't believe this was ever about protecting the children or those tapes would not have found their way to the press. It is starting to look more like plain old revenge for not getting what she wanted in terms of a financial settlement.

Who knows. I can't keep up with either of them or the mysterious back peddling dentist.

 

[Roze]

BTW, I read a rumor there are 9 tapes... so get ready.

 

[AbbieNormal]

It's both racist and sexist. Here, he states how his girlfriend dresses so slu**y that she asking to be raped by a pack of "n" words. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-gibsons-explosive-racist-rant-listen-it-here

I swear this guy has a mental problem of some kind. I stopped watching his movies after his anti-semitic, drunken rant. But I think there's something more to this than just a racist loser. He used to make great movies. Now he just seems nutso. What do you think?

I think he was the sexiest man alive in Braveheart and now I thinks hes a disgusting creep who needs psychiatric help. Its sad, really. jmo

 

[tlcya]

IMO, they should both be launched into space in separate rockets. At the very least we should pass a law that prohibits angry drunks and grifters from procreating.


snipped from Roze

AGREED.

 

[minazoe]

I hate to say this but I think what I hear behind Mels rage is that he hates himself for being a fool.

He left robyn so he could get bj's....but he can't get one now that the girl he left her for has what she wanted all along....a way to seal the deal.

he knocked her up...stupid stupid stupid.

now that she has the baby she is trying to end the relationship and get a payout

he still loves his ex wife.

he had a midlife crisis and made a fool of himself with this serial money dater.

the girl he thought was innocent and idealistic is in reality a hardened grifter who won't back down.

he hates this woman and is confused because he loves her as well.

he loves his daughter yet she is a symbol of his mistakes.

he has deep seated 1950's kinds of veiws.


he was duped with sex

as a side...i think she is baiting him on those tapes...she is completely in control of the on and off switch...

the man lost his ****...who of us can throw the first stone?

 

[tlcya]

I hate to say this but I think what I hear behind Mels rage is that he hates himself for being a fool.

He left robyn so he could get bj's....but he can't get one now that the girl he left her for has what she wanted all along....a way to seal the deal.

he knocked her up...stupid stupid stupid.

now that she has the baby she is trying to end the relationship and get a payout

he still loves his ex wife.

he had a midlife crisis and made a fool of himself with this serial money dater.

the girl he thought was innocent and idealistic is in reality a hardened grifter who won't back down.

he hates this woman and is confused because he loves her as well.

he loves his daughter yet she is a symbol of his mistakes.

he has deep seated 1950's kinds of veiws.


he was duped with sex

as a side...i think she is baiting him on those tapes...she is completely in control of the on and off switch...

the man lost his ****...who of us can throw the first stone?

I completely agree with your assessment and said everything you articulated so well above to a coworker the other day. The only part I will disagree with is the BBM. Not that I am a stone thrower, but there are those who can and will find reason here to do just that. May wanna duck JK

 

[Roze]

Picture of the baby's alleged bruise. Adorable child.

Am I the only one that doesn't think that looks like a bruise?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ter-he-allegedly-hit-her-see-photo-only-radar

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Picture of the baby's alleged bruise. Adorable child.

Am I the only one that doesn't think that looks like a bruise?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ter-he-allegedly-hit-her-see-photo-only-radar

ooo PICK ME!!!

I think it looks like a "skeeter bite" iffen ya ask me. That is if we're talking about the "red spot" on the chin.

Just sayin..................

 

[Roze]

ooo PICK ME!!!

I think it looks like a "skeeter bite" iffen ya ask me. That is if we're talking about the "red spot" on the chin.

Just sayin..................

I think we are seeing why the judge didn't take away Gibson's visitation. The evidence hasn't been all that convincing yet. Perhaps there is more that we haven't seen but I'm skeptical.

There is also a story on TMZ that she is claiming Gibson threw her son into table at a party a year ago. No report to the police. Son didn't tell his dad and he's 12. She stayed with him after that?

There would have been smoke under the tires of my car and EMTs around Gibson's body if he did that to my child.

 

[jjenny]

I completely agree with your assessment and said everything you articulated so well above to a coworker the other day. The only part I will disagree with is the BBM. Not that I am a stone thrower, but there are those who can and will find reason here to do just that. May wanna duck JK

Well if somebody here is calling people, calling them names and telling them they deserve to be raped because they are wearing provocative outfits, then by all means he/she shouldn't throw the first stone. I personally think it is ridiculous to imply that all of us have done that.

 

[tlcya]

Well if you are calling people, calling them names and telling them they deserve to be raped because they are wearing provocative outfits, then by all means don't throw the first stone. I personally think it is ridiculous to imply that all of us have done that.

In response to the BBM portion

If you recognize yourself or your words as throwing stones then that is your interpretation of my post and not necessarily the accurate intent of my post. My post named no-one and cited no particular post and didn't even specifiy that this thread is one that contains stone throwers. To my knowledge I have not interacted, debated or argued with you on this topic so I am a bit confused as to why you have chosen to take my post to another member as personally aimed at you?

Not my intention to spark a fight with you or anyone. Your opinions are yours, mine are mine and we are both welcome to them - yes?

 

[jjenny]

I think we are seeing why the judge didn't take away Gibson's visitation. The evidence hasn't been all that convincing yet. Perhaps there is more that we haven't seen but I'm skeptical.

There is also a story on TMZ that she is claiming Gibson threw her son into table at a party a year ago. No report to the police. Son didn't tell his dad and he's 12. She stayed with him after that?

There would have been smoke under the tires of my car and EMTs around Gibson's body if he did that to my child.

From the tapes, it's rather obvious Gibson does not like her son-assuming of course it is Gibson on the tapes. He called the son "messed up," and a "pussy."

 

[Roze]

From the tapes, it's rather obvious Gibson does not like her son-assuming of course it is Gibson on the tapes. He called the son "messed up," and a "pussy."

Yes, but thinking someone's child is messed up doesn't mean you'll throw them into a coffee table. Shame on MG for calling the boy names and shame on her for releasing tapes where her child is ridiculed. I think this alleged incident speaks more of her than it does of MG. If it did occur, what kind of mother is she not leaving him then and there? There were witnesses and I have a difficult time believing that not one has come forward backing her claim or didn't report the incident themselves! I would have reported it immediately. If nothing was done as a result of the report, at least it would be on record.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, but thinking someone's child is messed up doesn't mean you'll throw them into a coffee table. Shame on MG for calling the boy names and shame on her for releasing tapes where her child is ridiculed. I think this alleged incident speaks more of her than it does of MG. If it did occur, what kind of mother is she not leaving him then and there? There were witnesses and I have a difficult time believing that not one has come forward backing her claim or didn't report the incident themselves! I would have reported it immediately. If nothing was done as a result of the report, at least it would be on record.

And if Gibson did hit her, she should have called the police and reported it immediately after it happened.
But just because she didn't report it at the time, does not mean it didn't happen.

 

[MLE]

I don't really think about a director's personal life when I watch a movie. Payback is still a great movie even though Gibson is nuts and The Pianist is still a great movie even though Roman Polanski is a rapist.

Speaking of Polanski, I don't understand why he's received so much support from the Hollywood community compared to Gibson. It's as if raping a child is more socially acceptable in the USA than mere opinions on historical events and profanity laced tirades with one's significant other.