Mel Gibson's latest racist rant

[Roze]

Here's another thing I am wondering.
If O thought Mel was such a danger to her son (T. Dalton's boy) why did she not send him to visit his dad immediately after this incident and keep him out of the line of fire???? I would have.
Or is it just me????

*sigh*

Quite frankly none of her story makes sense to me. I know abused women don't report abuse right away but there are just too many holes in this one.

If I am wrong about her I will gladly say, "Whoops. Sorry."

 

[Rindicella]

Quite frankly none of her story makes sense to me. I know abused women don't report abuse right away but there are just too many holes in this one.

If I am wrong about her I will gladly say, "Whoops. Sorry."

I agree with you. I am a formerly battered woman. On my best day, I could never manage a phone convo with my batterer and sound like a flight attendant giving safety instructions. It's bizarre to me as a former victim.
At moments she seems a bit impassioned, but that's about it.

For the most part, she sounds like a tour guide at the Louvre.

 

[Roze]

I agree with you. I am a formerly battered woman. On my best day, I could never manage a phone convo with my batterer and sound like a flight attendant giving safety instructions. It's bizarre to me as a former victim.
At moments she seems a bit impassioned, but that's about it.

For the most part, she sounds like a tour guide at the Louvre.

I am so sorry for your abuse. You are to be commended for the way you handled your situation - like a sane, strong, rational human being. I was emotionally abused for many years but I was able to keep things under control by how I handled the situation. Eventually I ended the marriage but the split is friendly because I made SURE it would be and I had to swallow a lot of poop to make that happen - for the sake of our children.

This women appears to be to have emotional issues all her own. Nobody but nobody has that much plastic surgery that does not have issues. I'm sorry. Particularly when you are just beautiful to start with, and she was. Looking at her photos I see multiple nose jobs (it gets smaller), multiple boob jobs (they get bigger), cheek implants (too big for her face), silicone in the lips (i'm guessing silicone because they stay the same and look soft despite the size) - and goodness knows what else. She's a whack job, IMO.

 

[MLE]

Have you ever seen this site?

http://www.russianwomenblacklist.com/

Read some of the letters these women write to these fools. I can't even believe anyone would be this stupid or lonely enough to fall for this. Their letters are ridiculous.

A neighbor of my parents married a Chinese lady off of one of these sites. Sent her money. Got her pregnant. He's never seen the child and every time he makes a trip to China, she disappears. If you saw him you'd probably understand (I'm horrible, I know) but people really are this stupid.

Thanks for the link. Wow, those are some amazing stories.

 

[Rindicella]

I am so sorry for your abuse. You are to be commended for the way you handled your situation - like a sane, strong, rational human being. I was emotionally abused for many years but I was able to keep things under control by how I handled the situation. Eventually I ended the marriage but the split is friendly because I made SURE it would be and I had to swallow a lot of poop to make that happen - for the sake of our children.

This women appears to be to have emotional issues all her own. Nobody but nobody has that much plastic surgery that does not have issues. I'm sorry. Particularly when you are just beautiful to start with, and she was. Looking at her photos I see multiple nose jobs (it gets smaller), multiple boob jobs (they get bigger), cheek implants (too big for her face), silicone in the lips (i'm guessing silicone because they stay the same and look soft despite the size) - and goodness knows what else. She's a whack job, IMO.

Thanks for your kind words. I don't think anyone really gets through it "sane" which is why I'm so suspicious of this woman. She exhibits NONE of the "normal" reactions of a victim in that situation:
In my opinion examples of that would be:
Screaming back
Excessive crying (she hasn't cried at all in these tapes...WIERD!)
Apologizing all over the place for "making him mad"
making bargains ( ex. "please, I will do anything you want, just don't hurt me or the children")
Excessive guilt
Alternating between screaming and crying

Back when I went through it, I was sort of "punished" for those behaviors. People told me I was over-reacting and when I finally did get angry about the abuse, I was told to "calm down". ROFL. Seriously --- battered women can't "win" for losing, but from what we know so far about O and her situation, I am having hard time seeing the "victimology".
I have met many battered women over the years, from all cultures imaginable and even her Russian background does not account for her behavior in these tapes.
My friend Yelena, is from Moscow and she is just incensed over the whole thing. She too, thinks that O is a "gold digging liar". I really respect Yelena...she too was battered by an American man, and she too, says the same thing: O should have been screaming, crying, and bargaining.

 

[Rindicella]

Here's a true story from my own experience.

I went to my lawyer's office one day to meet about an offer from the ex and had to sit in on a conference call with him and his lawyer. It was on speakerphone. First the lawyers were talking and I followed all that pretty well. But then, I heard my ex say a very simple thing:
He said, "It's gonna happen."
It was very quiet and in the background. Seemingly related to the lawyer's conversation. but he knew what that phrase meant to me. I heard that and I WENT OFF. Next thing I know I was waking up, on the floor, having ranted so badly I fainted.

My lawyer rejected the other lawyer's offer. I spent six days in bed, unable to even eat.
THAT is a typical reaction to a batterer over a phone.

Later I was told that I stood up from my chair, and literally tried to claw my way out of the office, screaming for protection from this guy. I don't really remember it much.

True story.

 

[Roze]

Here's a true story from my own experience.

I went to my lawyer's office one day to meet about an offer from the ex and had to sit in on a conference call with him and his lawyer. It was on speakerphone. First the lawyers were talking and I followed all that pretty well. But then, I heard my ex say a very simple thing:
He said, "It's gonna happen."
It was very quiet and in the background. Seemingly related to the lawyer's conversation. but he knew what that phrase meant to me. I heard that and I WENT OFF. Next thing I know I was waking up, on the floor, having ranted so badly I fainted.

My lawyer rejected the other lawyer's offer. I spent six days in bed, unable to even eat.
THAT is a typical reaction to a batterer over a phone.

Later I was told that I stood up from my chair, and literally tried to claw my way out of the office, screaming for protection from this guy. I don't really remember it much.

True story.

Good Lord... :hug:

 

[KALI]

Think that Mel Gibson is guilty as heck and I hope he goes to jail. After that I hope he gets serious treatment and probably drugs.

I don't think he should be allowed unsupervised visitation at all with this baby or allowed to be with Oksana alone.

For the record-I personally think she sounds like a very nice lady and am not appreciating the blame the victim-that's going around.

JMO :twocents:

 

[Roze]

Think that Mel Gibson is guilty as heck and I hope he goes to jail. After that I hope he gets serious treatment and probably drugs.

I don't think he should be allowed unsupervised visitation at all with this baby or allowed to be with Oksana alone.

For the record-I personally think she sounds like a very nice lady and am not appreciating the blame the victim-that's going around.

JMO :twocents:

So far the judge disagrees with you about visitation and he is privy to all the facts. That may change...

 

[Roze]

"Oksana Continues Lawyer Shopping Spree"

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/22/oksan...rs-civil-lawsuit-domestic-violence-extortion/

She's busy today.

 

[porkchop]

"Oksana Continues Lawyer Shopping Spree"

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/22/oksan...rs-civil-lawsuit-domestic-violence-extortion/

She's busy today.

What is she trying to find a lawyer that is willing to ignore her lies?

 

[jjenny]

Thanks for your kind words. I don't think anyone really gets through it "sane" which is why I'm so suspicious of this woman. She exhibits NONE of the "normal" reactions of a victim in that situation:
In my opinion examples of that would be:
Screaming back
Excessive crying (she hasn't cried at all in these tapes...WIERD!)
Apologizing all over the place for "making him mad"
making bargains ( ex. "please, I will do anything you want, just don't hurt me or the children")
Excessive guilt
Alternating between screaming and crying

Back when I went through it, I was sort of "punished" for those behaviors. People told me I was over-reacting and when I finally did get angry about the abuse, I was told to "calm down". ROFL. Seriously --- battered women can't "win" for losing, but from what we know so far about O and her situation, I am having hard time seeing the "victimology".
I have met many battered women over the years, from all cultures imaginable and even her Russian background does not account for her behavior in these tapes.
My friend Yelena, is from Moscow and she is just incensed over the whole thing. She too, thinks that O is a "gold digging liar". I really respect Yelena...she too was battered by an American man, and she too, says the same thing: O should have been screaming, crying, and bargaining.

I can only imagine the reaction from some of you if she'd started crying on those tapes. How many would be claiming she is faking it? I fail to see what she should be apologizing to him for. One would think he should be the one apologizing for his screaming, if anything. I would also think Gibson screamed enough on these tapes that it's really not necessary for her to scream in response. By the way abc has the most bizarre story (IMO) on its website on how Mel Gibson is seeking solace from Britney Spears. Boggles my mind.

 

[Rindicella]

I can only imagine the reaction from some of you if she'd started crying on those tapes. How many would be claiming she is faking it? I fail to see what she should be apologizing to him for. One would think he should be the one apologizing for his screaming, if anything. I would also think Gibson screamed enough on these tapes that it's really not necessary for her to scream in response. By the way abc has the most bizarre story (IMO) on its website on how Mel Gibson is seeking solace from Britney Spears. Boggles my mind.

Dear jjenny, I'm sorry if my post offended you. I actually would not say she was faking, but of course, I don't expect anyone to believe that. I guess I am voicing some frustration as a formerly battered myself. In years past, when I went thru it, it was hard to get anyone to believe. So I completely can understand that part.

Then the pendulum swung the other way, and many people, including women, began to be falsely accused.

Certainly if she were crying or screaming response, I would identify with that behavor as a former victim myself. Also you are correct : she should NOT apologize ---nonetheless that is a typical victim behavior in these situations...the victims learn quickly to "apologize" for everything in order to avoid violent confrontations...that gives the batterer more control over his victim. That's all i meant.

My hope is, that in the end, when it has actually been determined by a court judge and all the facts are made clear, that the pendulum in our society will now begin to swing toward the middle and that all cases will be thoroughly investigated before we make our minds entirely.

I am not entirely sure that Mel Gibson is "guilty" of these accusations. They are very serious and so are the allegations from his side, against her.

In the end, when it comes to domestic violence, the last thing I want is for people not to take it seriously, because celebrities have misused the courts.
In the meantime, I really hope for healing for all concerned. Including Oksana. I only expressed my personal opinion about victimization based on my own experience. I was in no way rooting for "Team Mel".

Best wishes,
R

 

[Roze]

What is she trying to find a lawyer that is willing to ignore her lies?

I honestly don't know but if she truly feared for her child why did she even sign the first contract in May for $15 million when the alleged abuse occurred in January? Supposedly she knew about his kid tossing, mouth foaming, foul mouthed, face punching ways before May. So what's the deal? I know what I think. It's the thing she complains about on those recorded rants. "I have no money."

 

[shopper]

Dear jjenny, I'm sorry if my post offended you. I actually would not say she was faking, but of course, I don't expect anyone to believe that. I guess I am voicing some frustration as a formerly battered myself. In years past, when I went thru it, it was hard to get anyone to believe. So I completely can understand that part.

Then the pendulum swung the other way, and many people, including women, began to be falsely accused.

Certainly if she were crying or screaming response, I would identify with that behavor as a former victim myself. Also you are correct : she should NOT apologize ---nonetheless that is a typical victim behavior in these situations...the victims learn quickly to "apologize" for everything in order to avoid violent confrontations...that gives the batterer more control over his victim. That's all i meant.

My hope is, that in the end, when it has actually been determined by a court judge and all the facts are made clear, that the pendulum in our society will now begin to swing toward the middle and that all cases will be thoroughly investigated before we make our minds entirely.

I am not entirely sure that Mel Gibson is "guilty" of these accusations. They are very serious and so are the allegations from his side, against her.

In the end, when it comes to domestic violence, the last thing I want is for people not to take it seriously, because celebrities have misused the courts.
In the meantime, I really hope for healing for all concerned. Including Oksana. I only expressed my personal opinion about victimization based on my own experience. I was in no way rooting for "Team Mel".

Best wishes,
R

I am sorry for what you all went thru and you certainly DO NOT owe anyone an apology for your experiences. It's obvious that's all you were doing, giving your own perspective.

 

[porkchop]

I honestly don't know but if she truly feared for her child why did she even sign the first contract in May for $15 million when the alleged abuse occurred in January? Supposedly she knew about his kid tossing, mouth foaming, foul mouthed, face punching ways before May. So what's the deal? I know what I think. It's the thing she complains about on those recorded rants. "I have no money."

She never did. It was always about money. She thought she had Mel between a rock and a hard place, and when Mel came with the final agreement she didn't agree with the money terms.

I would like to see the $15 mil agreement. I bet she refused to sign it because all of the money wasn't signed directly to her. He probably put most of it in a trust for his daughter that paid out an amount to Oksana every month for his daughter's care. Once his daughter turned 18 the checks stop going to Oksana and go to his daughter. I could see him doing that to ensure that Osana didn't spend all 15 mil in a couple years.

 

[Linda7NJ]

What I find fascinating, psychologically speaking....there is a boat load of evidence against Mel Gibson and yet...somehow...she's the bad person????

It BAFFLES me.

 

[Roze]

What I find fascinating, psychologically speaking....there is a boat load of evidence against Mel Gibson and yet...somehow...she's the bad person????

It BAFFLES me.

If by boat loads you mean the tapes, then I understand why you would feel that way. However, there is a question as to whether the tapes have been tampered with -- so personally I want to see them evaluated and the evidence presented in court.

In addition to the above, O did not give these tapes to LE but instead leaked them to a tabloid and that calls her credibility into question. Did she know the tapes were tampered with or inadmissable and wanted to contaminate the jury pool or just destroy Gibson? Was she trying to do an end run around the initial agreement for $15 million with regard to the tapes?

I'm just trying to view the facts of the case and not get emotional over what I believe I heard on those tapes. We do not know the full context of the arguments between the two. We are hearing snippets. MG's language and anger do not give me a case of the vapors and send me running for my smelling salts - maybe I have seen too many movies.

All of this and the fact that MG has no history of physical assault - just a lot of mouthing off.

She is suspect to me for many reasons, these are a few.

 

[Linda7NJ]

If by boat loads you mean the tapes, then I understand why you would feel that way. However, there is a question as to whether the tapes have been tampered with -- so personally I want to see them evaluated and the evidence presented in court.

In addition to the above, O did not give these tapes to LE but instead leaked them to a tabloid and that calls her credibility into question. Did she know the tapes were tampered with or inadmissable and wanted to contaminate the jury pool or just destroy Gibson? Was she trying to do an end run around the initial agreement for $15 million with regard to the tapes?

I'm just trying to view the facts of the case and not get emotional over what I believe I heard on those tapes. We do not know the full context of the arguments between the two. We are hearing snippets. MG's language and anger do not give me a case of the vapors and send me running for my smelling salts - maybe I have seen too many movies.

All of this and the fact that MG has no history of physical assault - just a lot of mouthing off.

She is suspect to me for many reasons, these are a few.

Do you believe a impressionist was on the other end of the phone? Or do you believe it's Mel's voice?

 

[Roze]

Do you believe a impressionist was on the other end of the phone? Or do you believe it's Mel's voice?

I believe it was MG. My concern is that the tapes may have been tampered with and spliced. I would need to see that evidence presented in court in order to make a determination. I also need to hear the full context of the arguments, not just want Oksana has released and wants us to hear.

Sadly, I think this woman completely lost me with the picture of the baby pimple. The more info she releases the more she seems to lose credibility with me. If she has an attorney he needs to pull the reins on her... like... a few weeks ago.