Members' Theories #2

[Rain on my Parade]

Dr Seuss has a book promoting nudity?

Yes: ‘The seven lady Godivas’. Research it please.

 

[Rain on my Parade]

as per the child's blanket and the semen, i'd say it's just a blanket and he may have used it to sleep and masturbate or have sex with GF.........

i have heard of very little interest in JB jr. from the BPD. and i personally doubt he had that much alone time with JBR.. JMO

Tobiano8th,
I’m a bit confused about your post here. The comforter/duvet belonged to JAR. Why the Dr. Seuss was inside the suitcase with the comforter/duvet is of question as they were said to belong to JAR. JAR had ample opportunity to access to JB; he lived @ the Boulder home when not at the dorm. He was cleared of involvement when he produced an ATM withdrawal slip from a Georgia bank the night of 12/26/96.

 

[David Rogers]

Here is the court TV screen shot mentioning the Adult DR Seuss book I found in the files.

 

[s(he) be(lie)ve(d)]

The grand jury heard and saw far more than we have and they voted for indictment.
So the grand jury has found them negligent and responsible for placing her in harm's way (paraphrasing) I gather that they too felt the R's had to of known the perpetrator.
Even the grand jury felt that there wasn't an intruder. The indictments wouldn't make sense otherwise.

JAR was a college student, I imagine if you dug deeper into his things you would be shocked. He was an adult allowed to have adult things. The book whichever one that it was (and it could have been " Oh, the Places You'll Go" a very popular grad gift) was packed away in his things. There is nothing unnatural about it or 90% of all men and women (50 Shades 1,2,3) would need to be locked up or looked into at the very least.

It was an R and I'll spare you my thought on the one I feel it is. The last time I shared I left here feeling like Jeniffer Garner in Peppermint.

As always my own opinion...

 

[Tobiano8th]

thank you for the info on JAR and the blanket/dr seuss book.. i was legit curious on that question, but i was definitely snarky too...... and it is definitely interesting info

1) do any of the major writers/detectives who've written about the case feel strongly about JAR figuring this story? i'm thinking source of abuse on JBR...... this is the first i've ever heard of it (or remember) and i've read at least 5 books on JBR (or at least full books, and major chapters in books.. of course that would be more than 5)

2) whether JAR was in Boulder then should be fairly easily provable even with money and private jets. what happened to witness that thought he saw JAR. i understand witnesses can be very wrong.

3) if JAR abused JBR, would PR cover for him?....... or was the ransom letter simply covering accidental death?...... and as per PR covering for JAR, i mean general covering. i do not think JAR was there that night.

4) is it agreed-upon by reasonable people that JBR was sexually abused before the day/night in question?....... it seems like if you apply occum's razor that her pediatrician didn't think so. of course, maybe he missed it... i also saw the explanation of aggressive wiping by mother which makes some sense.

seems like the 2 big hanging questions are 1) who wrote the ransom letter?, and 2) prior sexual abuse??

is thomas' book worth reading again?..... do i want to go down this rabbit hole again?

 

[s(he) be(lie)ve(d)]

LOL!!!!! Oh, we are all Alice when it comes to JBR. Curiouser and Curiouser, whoops! Raaaabiiitttt HHHHOOOooolle!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is an excellent OG poster here named DeeDee249 and she has some very interesting points of view when it comes to JAR. She feels or felt that he was involved in some way. But he seems to have a credible alibi making him nothing more than a momentary bleep on the radar for LE. It was one of the three R's in the house that night J,P, or R. NO! Patsy would not cover for JAR in my opinion. Also, JAR had a movie ticket and witnesses that placed him far away from Boulder that night.

As for the prior molestation and yes there was prior molestation, my theory is an unpopular one. BDI right up until the second staging of which I think there were three.

The pediatrician took the children's records home with him and tried to help the R's to keep them out of the hands of LE. What was he hiding? Who would he help to protect? What went missing from those records? The grand jury saw them and the mental health records. We all know what they thought.

JBR's hymen had erosion and acute damage, rough wiping didn't do that.

Patsy wrote that letter to save them all and maybe John helped or was to busy trying to stage a third time. I believe he was the last to stage her.

 

[Tobiano8th]

She, thank you for the great response

i see alot of JBR experts (and no friends of the R's) think JR's role was simply covering up i.e. he knew nothing at all until PR alerted him to the ransom note.....

 

[s(he) be(lie)ve(d)]

She, thank you for the great response

i see alot of JBR experts (and no friends of the R's) think JR's role was simply covering up i.e. he knew nothing at all until PR alerted him to the ransom note.....

And there you have it with JR what did he know and when did he know it?

 

[Tobiano8th]

assuming JR wasn't involved (like i said, a popular BPD opinion), would BR or PR have worked up the ligature? and strangled her (thinking she was dead already?)?

two fresh Q's:

1) first one is rhetorical but "why would anyone put $118k in the ransom note?"... so stupid. and follow-up: who would have known that figure? i think very few people (and i wonder if PR would have known it)

2) did someone (fired ex-employee) sue JR's company for $118k? i saw that on another site today

 

[s(he) be(lie)ve(d)]

assuming JR wasn't involved (like i said, a popular BPD opinion), would BR or PR have worked up the ligature? and strangled her (thinking she was dead already?)?

two fresh Q's:

1) first one is rhetorical but "why would anyone put $118k in the ransom note?"... so stupid. and follow-up: who would have known that figure? i think very few people (and i wonder if PR would have known it)

2) did someone (fired ex-employee) sue JR's company for $118k? i saw that on another site today

Oh, yes the grand juries great dilemma of who did what. Was the head injury caused by the strangler? Because the strangler actually killed her. I for one don't think BR did any of the final stagings, but that's left up to each of our own interpretation of the evidence or an admission of guilt. BR can not be tried for the murder, not then and not now. So whose still alive that can be. Oh, I believe whoever strangled her most certainly thought she was dead.

The ransom amount is the biggest give away in that ridiculous note. Clearly pointing to someone in the house, like say a frantic, running on adrenalin mother.

JR was a rich businessman, a fat cat. He probably has been sued but nobody outside of that house, that day committed this crime.

 

[sedndun]

She, thank you for the great response

i see alot of JBR experts (and no friends of the R's) think JR's role was simply covering up i.e. he knew nothing at all until PR alerted him to the ransom note.....

I've been looking, but is there anything that hints at JR contacting BR while he was at the White's house on the 26th. Either by phone or in person. Specifically between 11-1 PM?

 

[InvSmith]

Has anyone else considered that the ransom note could have been intended to use as the call that was suppose to happen (starts with "listen carefully"?) It just reads as a conversation for ransom. I think plans got out of control and the R's were responding as the police and visitors interfered with the set plans.

I have never thought JBR was suppose to be found when she was. After not being able to let go of this case, a few things standout as just unexplainable 1) JBR died and plans were being made to leave the state. I find it hard to believe, the R's would leave their daughter behind even if scared. 2) If this were an intruder, how in the world could you let their young son out of their sight? 3) Mutiple witnesses indicated that the R's didn't react after 10AM call didn't occur. 4) In one of BR's initial interviews he literally said, "she is not dead yet". I think he heard that from his parents.
Many, many others.

JBR's body was considered advanced decomposed (sorry) when compared to the timeline. The only person with any sexual morality issues was JR that I have heard discussed. Not that immortality makes a murderer but the scene staging was not done by a female (just cannot accept otherwise.)

There is just strong indication this was a brutal child abuse accident then covered up. It worked because no one was arrested. I do believe the jurors are correct.

As far as the $118k, the 118 matches with others in the paragraph and was PR's favorite Psalm, I think from memory. Let alone that KJV words are used with religious overtones throughout. I think a person pointed out the the sum is equal to a million in Mexico. Just something to think about if you look at the friends and co-workers the R's pointed to.

All my opinion based on what has been released.

 

[Tobiano8th]

InvSmith,

thanks. those are some great comments.

interesting that maybe JBR was supposed to be found that morning.. but how on earth were they going to get rid of her?.... wouldn't everything be under lockdown for quite awhile? and eventually wouldn't the police check every square inch of that house?.. just thinking out loud. the idea that JBR wouldn't be found is very very interesting.

i don't understand all of the last paragraph......... what does the 118 match in the paragraph? what is KJV? the million in mexico being $118K is interesting

 

[Tobiano8th]

Inv, the R's phoned the police and the friends. and then pointed out the ransom note to them. so what changed? it must have been the R's themselves that decided to do it differently before any outside involvement. (assuming your theory has merit)

and the note makes reference to "we will contact/phone you".....i think if it was supposed to be a ransom phone call script, alot of the tense would be much more past in nature.

the whole "didn't expect JBR to be found" is interesting.. but when the police asked JR to look around, he found her right away.

obv. if R did it, they were in complete panic mode and had no experience in these matters.... just like more mundane activities you've done once, if you did it again you'd do it differently

 

[InvSmith]

InvSmith,

thanks. those are some great comments.

interesting that maybe JBR was supposed to be found that morning.. but how on earth were they going to get rid of her?.... wouldn't everything be under lockdown for quite awhile? and eventually wouldn't the police check every square inch of that house?.. just thinking out loud. the idea that JBR wouldn't be found is very very interesting.

i don't understand all of the last paragraph......... what does the 118 match in the paragraph? what is KJV? the million in mexico being $118K is interesting

 

[InvSmith]

If you look at the Ransom Note...maybe it was prepared for a call they wanted to support JBR was indeed kidnapped. This falls through because of how the police response was. At one point the homecleaner was reported to be Mexican. If this were true $118k is equal to $1,000,000. I think the R's were trying to explain why the $118k was valuable. I pray we all get answers for this Baby Girl.

 

[Kennedy Jo]

You know when kids break things and commonly they try to hide what they broke to try and hide what they had done? My theory:

Burke hits JB over the head in a rage over something, perhaps the theory that she stole some of his pineapple snack. Fractured skull, brain bleed... she's not waking up. So he freaks out. Makes himself a toggle rope using his boy scout knowledge and attempts to 'hide' JB in the basement. This process inadvertently kills her by preventing blood flow to her head as he's dragging her down there. Parents wake up, eventually find out what happened. Oh ****, our ****** up son just killed our daughter. Patsy is freaking out, she's just found out her cancer has returned and has made the realization that Burke will be institutionalized for longer than the period she potentially has to live. She just lost one child, she may lose another. The father on the other hand knows the news of this will probably put him out of commission. So they (poorly) fabricate a kidnapping tale and the rest is history.
I still feel that BR's interviews with Dr Phil were so strange. He had this weird smile on his face all the time. Almost a laugh at times even when talking about JBR's murder. I'm not a Psychologist but I have worked with mentally ill people (some who were murderers) and I have seen that look before.
Things of note:

1. Burke had a history of acting out in a rage. He had hit JB over the head with a golf club previously, leaving a scar.
2. Several 'my son needs help' type books were found in the house. I think the family knew Burke was a lose screw.
3. The 'taser marks' were likely made by a piece of his train set whilst poking her in a childish attempt by Burke to wake her up.
4. The unknown DNA profile found on the underwear, two theories: either DNA picked up from the carpet whilst Burke was dragging her, or someone left it accidentally during production.
5. Not sure what to make of the vaginal scarring, I'm not going to get into potential sexual abuse however predators have been known to be involved in the child pageant industry in which she was apart of.
6. The empty suitcase found near her body, perhaps was to be used to move her outside the house to be hidden elsewhere. The parents probably didnt have the heart to treat their child like that and left her where she was instead.
7. Speaking of suitcases, what to make of the other suitcase found in the basement that had two items: a semen stained childs blanket, and a bunch of childrens books? The semen DNA matched John Ramsey's son from a previous marriage.

 

[Kennedy Jo]

Watched video...Interesting how Burke shows no emotions and even being chipper recalling death of his sister and his love for video games and going on with his life...But again, I think he was/is in the spectrum so it is probably normal to express his feelings this way... What he felt inside I wish we knew...
On the last video with Dr Phil he sure looks like he put on weight compare to his teenage self...he looks so much like Patsy...

I've seen several interviews of BR over the years and he has always had a bizarre attitude and smile on his face. If he didn't do it he displays evidence of a sociopath even as a child.

 

[Kennedy Jo]

I didn't see that last interview he did with Dr Phil.

 

[Swirlz]

I've seen several interviews of BR over the years and he has always had a bizarre attitude and smile on his face. If he didn't do it he displays evidence of a sociopath even as a child.

From James Kolar's Foreign Faction:

"I asked further about indications of childhood personality disorders, and Dr. Bernhard explained that anxiety such as that displayed by Burke at times in his interview comes from caring and that this type of behavior is not typically observed in sociopathic personalities."

Dr. Bernhard refers to the child psychologist who interviewed Burke as part of the Boulder PD investigation into JonBenet's murder.