Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #10

[wasnt_me]

How things would have been different if Filomina had arrived first. The entire scene would have been trampled ... most likely obscuring evidence leading to Amanda and Raffaele. The only evidence would have been some other guy (who was in Germany). What if Rudy's prints were not registered with the police, and this came down to a trampled scene with a print from an unknown suspect.

What a different story it would be if Filomina and her three friends had arrived first and trampled the scene, the postal police had never arrived, and Filomina was the one to first call the caribinieri. That is what the timeline suggests.

Yeah, FR would have been charged with murder and staging a robbery one herself because her footprints would have been in the corridor.

 

[wasnt_me]

After RG when thru FR's room, he went into the bathroom...was there when MK arrived ... MK's room is next to the bathroom...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kercher_Knox_house_Perugia_Italy.gif

Mk's room isn't next to the bathroom he went to. I think he came in through FR's room, looked through it, went for some juice, and that made him have to go to the bathroom. The other bathroom is over there by the kitchen I believe. It's logical to go from RF's room into the livingroom and kitchen next. OR he could turn, but it's not illogical to go that path. Then once in the bathroom, he heard the front door opening, which is on that side of the house.

 

[SMK]

Can't get much blacker than being convicted of murder.

But it may be a false conviction.

 

[otto]

I think you might be explaining something different than what I'm talking about. I guess I didn't explain myself properly.

I expect that RF's door would be unlocked and either open or closed on the day of the murder.

However, the night OF the murder, I think her door was locked before the break-in.

I think she locked it because she was going away for the holiday. This is why I think she locked it:

1. RF, or the court in her testimony, claims that she went through the effort to attempt to secure her window because she was going away. if she was making an attempt to secure her room, and had a key to lock the door, it would serve to reason that she'd also lock the door before going away.

2. The reason she thought she had to secure the window. Apparently, she thought she had to lock it because what? Because she must have thought someone was capable of getting in that way. So why wouldn't she think all these "strange people" AK allegedly brought home wouldn't go in her room unless she locked her door?

3. Additionally, she knew that the front door had a potential to come open if not secured properly. So why not be more worried about locking your room door than a window that NO ONE IN THE WORLD thinks RG could have scaled?

I contend that on the night of the murder, RF's door was locked. RG broke in the window, came in her room, and to get to the rest of the house, he simply unlocked RF's door.

IF RF had indeed locked her door before going away and AK had no key to it, AK could not go in there to stage a break-in.

I theorize that Laura's door might have also been locked, which is why RG didn't go in there. He'd have to make effort to break it down. That might have been something he WOULD have done later, had he not been interrupted. AK's door could or could not have been locked, I don't know, since she hadn't gone away and had just been there earlier in the day.

I agree with everything else you've said.

What facts of the case support your belief that Laura and/or Filomina's bedroom door was locked at the time of the staged break in?

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't think they needed to suggest anything about AK. As far as I understand it, L and F had a reaction that one might have after discovering murdered roommate (properly upset), while AK was cuddling and kissing with RS. That must have raised some eyebrows.

To my understanding Laura wasn't there, and RF's boyfriend was, too, comforting her.

 

[otto]

I thought we went over already and you didn't seem committed to a cleanup. In any event, I also thought we went over the fact that RF was the rent collector in the house. That's why her room was searched first. MK came home and I am guessing that after the murder RG wanted to get the hell out of there before anyone came home.

Why would I mention that evidence was revealed using luminol if I didn't think there was a clean up of some sort?

Who knew that Filomina collected the rent on the day it was due besides the occupants of the cottage? That isn't something Rudy would have known.

 

[otto]

Interesting. But this theory depends on a person being able to unlock a bedroom door from the inside without a key. We still don't know if this was possible, do we?

No, it depends on the evidence, and facts of the case do not in any way support the idea that Laura or Filomina had locked bedrooms.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, among other things too... (I posted these articles awhile back, notice how fleeing actually helped Rudy)

independent.co.uk
An appeals court today said it shaved 14 years off the sentence of a man involved in the murder of a British student Meredith Kercher because he was the only one of the three defendants to apologise to her family.

SOURCE:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...killers-apology-won-sentence-cut-1925868.html​

abc news:
The judges for the Perugia court of appeals also explained the reasons they granted Guede attenuating circumstances that led to a substantial reduction of his sentence.
These include the fact that he had no previous police record, the fact that he did not wield the knife that killed Kercher, that he voluntarily returned to Italy after running to Germany in the days after the murder, his young age, and the "acute stress" that led him to flee the scene without rescuing the victim.

(snip)The judges also mention Guede's difficult childhood without a mother and with a father who was often absent.

(snip)In explaining the attenuating circumstances, the judges also mention the fact that Guede is the "only" one of the defendants to have said he was sorry to the Kercher family, "even if it (the apology) was only for not having been able to save Meredith," and not for his role in her killing.

SOURCE: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/AmandaKno...0169888&page=2
​

I posted this about the apology and Otto said it was false.

 

[wasnt_me]

Perhaps. But its also true that AK was the "new girl" in the apartment, no? In almost any group, the newest member tends to be viewed suspiciously when something bad happens.

She wasn't the new girl, though.

MK and AK moved in about the same time. AK picked her room and went to Germany. In the motivation, it says that AK picked her room next to "what would become Meredith's." I take that to mean Meredith hadn't moved in yet.

 

[wasnt_me]

Interesting. But this theory depends on a person being able to unlock a bedroom door from the inside without a key. We still don't know if this was possible, do we?

If we have to have a key on BOTH sides, I give up that theory!

:banghead:

 

[otto]

I posted this about the apology and Otto said it was false.

Rudy's sentence was not reduced because of an apology.

 

[wasnt_me]

Why would I mention that evidence was revealed using luminol if I didn't think there was a clean up of some sort?

Who knew that Filomina collected the rent on the day it was due besides the occupants of the cottage? That isn't something Rudy would have known.

We've put forth the theories about the rent. It lends to motive.

You've read what all luminol picks up, I'm sure. So you know it can pick up stuff unseen that wasn't even attempted to have been cleaned up. If not, it's best to go back and study luminol.

 

[wasnt_me]

Rudy's sentence was not reduced because of an apology.

Okay, then according to you, the cited articles are incorrect. According to you.

 

[otto]

We've put forth the theories about the rent. It lends to motive.

You've read what all luminol picks up, I'm sure. So you know it can pick up stuff unseen that wasn't even attempted to have been cleaned up. If not, it's best to go back and study luminol.

Isn't it shocking that luminol is used in any crime scene?

 

[wasnt_me]

This entire robbery theory does hinge on someone telling Rudy that Filomina collected the rent. Funny thing is that we simply cannot connect Rudy to that information. On to the next theory ...

That's so funny since we can't connect AK to the murder room, but the theory that she killed MK still persists!

 

[wasnt_me]

Isn't it shocking that luminol is used in any crime scene?

I'm unclear as to what I should be shocked out.

 

[otto]

Okay, then according to you, the cited articles are incorrect. According to you.

According to Italian law, and on appeal, Rudy's sentence was reduced from 30 years to 24 years to match the sentences of the other two culprits. After the final appeal, it was then reduced by one third due to the fact that he opted for the fast track option. Everyone that opts for the fast track option has their sentence reduced by one third, not just Rudy.

 

[otto]

I'm unclear as to what I should be shocked out.

It is suggested, in connection with this murder investigation, that luminol evidence is not useful, that it shouldn't be trusted, that it means nothing. I think that if luminol evidence is so questionable, it should not be used at any crime scene ... yet it is. I suppose that means that luminol evidence is quite valuable.

 

[wasnt_me]

Isn't the balcony visible from the road from this angle?

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=13&image_id=2230

Yeah, I see it. Sure do, and that seems lower to the ground.

The name of that picture, by the way, is "Cottage from far exit to carpark--very long exposure." So people exiting can see it.

Here it is again in it's invisible glory:

 

[wasnt_me]

What facts of the case support your belief that Laura and/or Filomina's bedroom door was locked at the time of the staged break in?

What facts from the case prove it wasn't?