Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[dgfred]

This is truly reaching when the supporting facts do not even support what was said in this conversation

What??? :waitasec:

 

[dgfred]

Could you provide a cite regarding which info came off what computers both for the prosecution and the defense

No, can you?

 

[SMK]

Could you provide a cite regarding which info came off what computers both for the prosecution and the defense

this is what I was referring to for dfredhttp://church-discipline.blogspot.com/2011/01/windowserverlog-raffaele-sollecitos.html

 

[dgfred]

If you don't have enough work experience to know that supervisors have various ways of making their wishes known, what can I say?

It can be as simple as smiling when the boss hears something he likes and frowning when he doesn't.

First I don't read and now I don't have enough work experience... you guys sure are tuff today.

I was asking for example where 'that' was the case in this trial/investigation as you claimed. Since it was obvious.

 

[dgfred]

I will point out that the only time their stories change was the night of the 5th

I as well know of not one single person that can state with 100% certainty that someone was sleeping while they were sleeping

That once was enough, and the result was AK throwing Patrick's name out for LE.

That's hilarious... and NOT what he said. He said she was gone from about 9pm to 1am. Then he changed back again to 'we were on the computer all night'.

 

[Nova]

Thank you, Miley. Yes, I can see there was nothing to tip AK off that a brutal murder had taken place. and the Postal police saw no indication, either.

I keep forgetting that latter point. Thanks for reminded us, Miley.

I don't have a lot of experience with dried blood, but I have read numerous cases where people express surprise that it doesn't look red and viscous like in the movies. To a casual glance, a blood stain can look like dried mud.

 

[Allusonz]

True---Nova, I am wondering if you think this is going to lean toward Mignini's "giving up the ghost", or on the contrary, becoming more aggressive re AK and RS? https://cpj.org/2011/04/journalists-threatened-for-reporting-on-murder-cas.php

I think you are seeing a well documented set of events over a number of years that consistently show the lengths this ILE will go to

I have deep concerns for Franks safety

 

[Nova]

Yeah, but RS told him IMO. Probably one of the best sources of actual truth we can see/find, since that is most likely the case.

RS is only repeating what he was told by ILE. OF COURSE, ILE is telling him AK has given multiple, conflicting accounts; the interrogators are trying to split up the two suspects! They are telling RS that AK has given conflicting accounts, betrayed him, etc., so he might as well confess. And RS has said as much to his father.

This isn't evidence of anything.

 

[Allusonz]

No, can you?

No is why I asked for the cite as you stated it was from the computer that worked. Again since you are stating this is coming from one of the 2 computers do you have a cite that states this is from the one that is working?

 

[dgfred]

You realize Frank is not his real name, but his 'blogging' name. When cpj realizes that he is not really an actual journalist will they still feel the same?

 

[Allusonz]

this is what I was referring to for dfredhttp://church-discipline.blogspot.com/2011/01/windowserverlog-raffaele-sollecitos.html

Sorry SMK I clicked on the wrong quote!!! I am very sorry

 

[SMK]

You realize Frank is not his real name, but his 'blogging' name. When cpj realizes that he is not really an actual journalist will they still feel the same?

what do you mean, he is not an actual journalist?

 

[SMK]

Again I will request whether you have a cite stating which computer since RS had 2 as I have never seen which computer the prosecution/defense retrieved this information from. Was it both? One that was damaged? Or one said not to be damaged?

No, I don't, I'm afraid.

 

[Nova]

Come on Nova, I don't think you even believe that. His changing alibi is what got AK in trouble in the first place.

I thought it was AK's hip movements that got her in trouble in the first place. I believe that's what the investigator said.

As far as I know, RS changed his story only when he was told that AK had changed hers and put herself at the scene of the crime with PL. For a short time he recanted his alibi of AK and then returned to it again and has stuck with that story.

But I'm sure interrogators were telling AK and RS that their stories didn't match all along. That's how the game is played. So who wavered first doesn't necessarily matter.

BTW, "different versions" doesn't necessarily mean one true version and several lies except on Perry Mason. Versions may vary just because one recalls and adds additional details, one is asked a question in a different way, etc.

 

[Allusonz]

First I don't read and now I don't have enough work experience... you guys sure are tuff today.

I was asking for example where 'that' was the case in this trial/investigation as you claimed. Since it was obvious.

I believe that Nova's comment has been taken out of context here and again I must question why? I do not see how you go from a supervisor to you as a person.

 

[Allusonz]

No, I don't, I'm afraid.

Oh I am sorry SMK i clicked on the wrong quote sorry I meant to click on dgfred's and I sincerely apologize!!!

ETA I seem to be doing this often I am so very sorry and that request was not directed at you. I sooooooooo apologize

 

[miley]

@SMK,

'the defense argues'... in 'their' appeal. Grasping at straws IMO as it would have been quite easy to show you were 'using' a computer if you were in fact really using it.

It looks like the defense is merely asking to have the computers examined by the experts in data recovery (ie. apple, toshiba...)

1) A & R played no part in their computers being fried and 2) the defense is willing to foot the bill... its like the semen stain, what could it possibly hurt?

 

[Nova]

First I don't read and now I don't have enough work experience... you guys sure are tuff today.

I was asking for example where 'that' was the case in this trial/investigation as you claimed. Since it was obvious.

The statement to which you objected was a general statement that those who lead others have ways of communicating their wishes.

That guilt was prejudged and testimony coerced in this case is apparent from the lead investigator's claim that he knew with a glance at AK's hips that she was guilty and then the way the investigation was conducted henceforth. We've been discussing this for weeks; no, I'm not going to give you a 20-page list.

 

[claudicici]

Father: "He knows something ... notes ... particularly having regard to all the versions that has given you may not have given that right because she was worried that this character has managed to do something like that ... you know what I mean? ... But you do not got to do **** ... and they understood ... now this morning or Monday there will also be checking on the computer ... they have already cloned the hard drive .. "
Raffaele: "... my concern about the computer is basically that if I came ..."
Marisa: "hey ... there's a monster on your computer ... there is a monster ... "
Raffaele: "... Forget the fact the computer is that if I spent the most time with Amanda ... there all this time I spend with the computer ..."
Father: "If Amanda was at home ... but if it came out what the hell were you doing? ... You were on the computer." And again, later, the family would urge "thickens" the doubts about Amanda. "We can not understand - the father insists - that within three days when it was that went to the police station ... he gave four to five different versions ... has pulled back into the **** about a black boy is ... personality is strange girl eh? so do not ... do not. "
Raffaele interrupts him and says: "I rule out that since the first version that I have given ...". Stops, and the father continues: "... there is no question of excluding and not excluding ... we are skeptical ... but you know ... there might be too ... what do we know ourselves. Finally, the discussion focuses on the knife, with Raffaele says: "... but there they have a lot of knives at home ...".

So Amanda is the "he" here who gives the different versions. Well, they kept saying they would not believe she was with RS, they had proof, and suggested PL, yada, yada, yada.....

ETA: Who is the "monster" on the computer? We know Amanda changed versions and implicated PL, and to those of us who believe in her innocence, this is understandable RE interrogation. But RS sounds as though he just wants the hell out of this 6 day relationship. :floorlaugh:

monster on the computer?

Naruto?

 

[dgfred]

what do you mean, he is not an actual journalist?

He is an internet blogger... not employed by a media service. Frank S is like you being SMK here.