Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #11

[SMK]

Then why not show photos of someone actually climbing INTO the window, instead of just showing the grate-standing thingy? Just showing the "grate-climbing," but not showing the guy actually scale the wall and get into the window indicates that the grate-climbing guy couldn't actually get into the window. :cow:

Okie. fair enough question, I guess. I cannot answer it.

 

[Allusonz]

Just to be clear, there is no 'new testing' of the knife. The review will be of the previous testing and results... and their validity. Same holds true for the bra clasp at this point it seems.

Yes there was it appears that research was not completed on this aspect

First off the CLEAN knife that was to have had bleach on it TESTED NEGATIVE FOR BLEACH

Secondly, according to Stephanoni, there should of been enough DNA on the handle to retest and they could not lift enough biological material thus they DEEMED IT NOT ENOUGH TO TEST

Thirdly, rather than taking the knifre apart, it was suggested to test the material right against the HANDLE and it was found to have STARCH

Fourthly, the blade that should not of had any biological material was found to have some but the expert analysts DEEMED IT NOT ENOUGH TO TEST

 

[jjenny]

I just replied that we went out of our way to show that MK's reaction was the natural and normal one, and that it was in NO way her fault, whatsoever, that she got killed. We were merely pointing out that one simply cannot gauge how to appease one who might kill you. *sigh*

None of us really know what her reaction was, considering we don't know what had happened.
At best we can speculate.
Was there any evidence that she was actually fighting? I have not heard about any DNA found under her fingernails.

 

[SMK]

None of us really know what her reaction was, considering we don't know what had happened.
At best we can speculate.
Was there any evidence that she was actually fighting? I have not heard about any DNA found under her fingernails.

No, I only recall reading from her family that she was highly trained in karate, very fit, and would have fought. But no one can ever know, nor did anyone presume to know.

 

[Allusonz]

RBBM--how in the world did he manage to get in the window, which IIRC had shards of glass clearly hanging inward from the frame, and not get cut, I wonder? And I know about the photo of the guy standing on the bars below that window in order to reach that window, but if it's really possible to get in the top window that way, why don't we see pictures of the grate-standing guy actually climbing in the window?

Know what is truly sad? Is when the defense does a video, throws a rock through the window from down below to try and recreate how he would of done it, the rock actually lands quite close to where the original landed, then people take ONE picture of that test and state many things like he could not climb up it, what a stupid defense etc., when in fact this person did climb through that window. Yes it was presented at trial. Then the judge dismisses the expert, the BALLISTICS one as he merely studies the shooting of bullets not rocks

Shakes head

 

[sherlockh]

Then why not show photos of someone actually climbing INTO the window, instead of just showing the grate-standing thingy? Just showing the "grate-climbing," but not showing the guy actually scale the wall and get into the window indicates that the grate-climbing guy couldn't actually get into the window. :cow:

That is what I said a few pages back This is the best pic of the small window I could find.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/hendry18.jpg

To me it seems to small to hang on to and lift yourself up vertically to the bedroom window. The only way to climb up would be to jump or step up the small window with enough forward and upward motion to reach the bedroom window. If I draw a straight line downwards from that small window to the ground, then it seems that is higher then you might think. Jumping would be possible I think with a bit of a run-up, but without leaving any prints? I don't know. Just doesn't look very easy to me.

 

[Allusonz]

None of us really know what her reaction was, considering we don't know what had happened.
At best we can speculate.
Was there any evidence that she was actually fighting? I have not heard about any DNA found under her fingernails.

Again, I believe it was Nova that pointed this out. There are various types. Usually most if you have ever taken something like this up take a combination of the mental and the physical aspects whether this be karate, tai chi (which I personally love great for stress). As well the element of surprise or a knife against your throat might tend to have a person stop and think for a minute for the most opportune time

 

[SMK]

That is what I said a few pages back This is the best pic of the small window I could find.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/hendry18.jpg

To me it seems to small to hang on to and lift yourself up vertically to the bedroom window. The only way to climb up would be to jump or step up the small window with enough forward and upward motion to reach the bedroom window. If I draw a straight line downwards from that small window to the ground, then it seems that is higher then you might think. Jumping would be possible I think with a bit of a run-up, but without leaving any prints? I don't know. Just doesn't look very easy to me.

I think Hendry was right, that for a person of experience like RG is presumed to be, it would be natural enough to use the lower window's grating to climb on. Rudy seems slim and agile and looks athletic. He was also very young, so I assume he might be able to do it. But it would not be easy, and it is not the path of least resistance, for certain.

 

[SMK]

BTW, that is a very good pic, had not really seen from that angle. I did not know the ground sloped like that. How far would you say it is from the top of the lower to the bottom of the upper window? Hendry of course must have measured, but I will need to check.

 

[Allusonz]

I have a difficult time accepting that she just parrots back to people, and even so, that doesn't really excuse her poor answers, which, if she's just parroting, can't really be considered to be truthful answers.

What do you believe to be the appropriate response to this line of questioning. Please keep in mind that I am sure by now the defense has informed her that they fried her computer as it appears she was involved actively in her defense

LG: How do you explain that when your computer was subjected to examination, it was
burned up by an electric shock? Do you have any explanation?

AK: I think someone burned up my computer

 

[SMK]

from Hendry reconstruction of Guede entrance via window----he says, Once he stands straight on the top bar his armpits would be almost even with the window sill.http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/RonHendry2------c.html

 

[Allusonz]

No big deal. I was just teasing. Besides, in my acceptence speech, I'd have to list ALL the members of WS that helped me along the way. Then I'd forget to mention someone, too, and (sigh....)

(still jovially teasing. So for anyone who really thinks I want an research oscar, I'm joking.)

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Of course you must make an acceptance speech , this is truly an elite group

 

[Allusonz]

None of us really know what her reaction was, considering we don't know what had happened.
At best we can speculate.
Was there any evidence that she was actually fighting? I have not heard about any DNA found under her fingernails.

As per Dr. Lalli she had defensive wounds

 

[Allusonz]

But I'm not saying "parroting."

I'm saying she takes for granted the the police and officials have told her the truth and are acting in good faith with her. Therefore, when they say something, she believes them. This is different from "parroting," which I understand is just to repeat what others say.

For example, I imagine tha if AK were pulled over for speeding and the police told her that she was going 80 in a 55, she'd assume that he clocked her at 80, and she'd take the ticket. But all the while, she'd be trying to figure out how she got to 80, when she'd seen her speed at 55 two seconds before the police lights come on. I can see her thinking that her speedometer is broken rather than thinking the police was lying to her.

I'm saying she puts more authority into the police than she does into her own knowledge and memory.

Does that make sense?

Very much so!!

 

[jjenny]

As per Dr. Lalli she had defensive wounds

Defensive wounds might indicate she was trying to protect herself from an attack.

 

[Allusonz]

Then why not show photos of someone actually climbing INTO the window, instead of just showing the grate-standing thingy? Just showing the "grate-climbing," but not showing the guy actually scale the wall and get into the window indicates that the grate-climbing guy couldn't actually get into the window. :cow:

My understanding is that the defense did a video as well as took pictures which all were presented in court and yes he did get through the window

 

[Allusonz]

If not then, FR DEFINITELY implied it at least, by telling AK to go back and check for stolen items. Also, stories can vary once you know the full context of what happened. She now knows there was a break-in, so that's part of her conscious as she views the past, know what i'm saying?

There is Filomena again, and yes she very well could of introduced the thought of it being a break in. Amazing how much of a side role this lady plays in all of this

ETA or maybe I should say a more significant role than I think many think. As well I truly wonder if her "alibi" was truly checked out

 

[Allusonz]

What is your question?

The report from the appeals court was that the bra clasp has deteriorated and there is not enough dna on the knife to retest... sooo, they will have to review the previous findings.

Why do you need a source for reading about their finding? It is public knowledge.

You of course mean IF they turn over the .fsa files that the independant analysts have requested which so many here have stated in the past were not required to analyze the data

 

[Allusonz]

What is your question?

The report from the appeals court was that the bra clasp has deteriorated and there is not enough dna on the knife to retest... sooo, they will have to review the previous findings.

Why do you need a source for reading about their finding? It is public knowledge.

I believe it is being asked as Stephanoni again testified that there was enough DNA on the bra clasp for retesting but from the information independent experts have it actually turns out to be LCN DNA....darn that research again

 

[Allusonz]

Yes, it's odd how the language barrier arises as an issue and then disappears when the supposed conspiracy is discussed. In fact, it's very unlikely that AK was able to enter into a conspiracy with two non-English speaking boys.

(ETA and yet, watching interviews with Mignini in the I.D.-TV doc last night (actual interviews not reconstructions), he insists that AK is the mastermind and ringleader of the whole prank, rape, murder and cover-up--without ever once considering how she communicated so many complicated instructions to boys who didn't speak English.)

Is it not though!!! Something like Frank at Perugua Shock whom was often cited by the pro guilt side when he thought they were guilty but now is not a good enough source even though he attends all the court dates etc, moreso than many of the bigger networks.....very selective IMO