Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[wasnt_me]

I found something that I need help sleuthing.

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I think what's stated here comes from a translation of this document from the appeals:

http://translate.google.com/transla...t.it/fotogallery/fotogallery8914.shtml&anno=2

If it's correct, the defense contends that RS's screensaver activations are evidence that he was at home, listening to music most of the night, and had also listened to CD's. I don't know if this is correct or if it comes from the documents from the tgcom, but any sleuthers who can figure it out, please let me know.

 

[Allusonz]

I found something that I need help sleuthing.

JREF Forum - View Single Post - Continuation - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

I think what's stated here comes from a translation of this document from the appeals:

http://translate.google.com/transla...t.it/fotogallery/fotogallery8914.shtml&anno=2

If it's correct, the defense contends that RS's screensaver activations are evidence that he was at home, listening to music most of the night, and had also listened to CD's. I don't know if this is correct or if it comes from the documents from the tgcom, but any sleuthers who can figure it out, please let me know.

A computer expert is always to take a MIRROR COPY and work with the copy never the original hard drive. Truly a major error not to make MIRROR COPIES and to work on the originals

The prosecution tried to accuse AK of frying the hard drives but the defense found out that the police accessed files on what appears to be one of the computers by the police

They used a software called Encase but this particular computer has not only windows.log files but a Mac operating system as well. From what I can tell from the appeals is that the defense has found other activity and since they will not allow the manufacturer to analyze the hard drives it appears they are asking for an independent review of the computer hard drives.

The defense is confident of something I am just uncertain of what they have found exactly besides the opening of the cartoon, and other things that were logged

ETA There is something very strange going on with not only the DNA but the hard drives as well. I may have to start honing my CT's of which I am not good at

 

[Allusonz]

It's nice to see a writer finally address the issue of fluency in language and who spoke what. Too many accounts of the events of Nov. 1 seem to assume that everyone understands everyone else perfectly.

Yup. Since it appears that RG had a very rudimentary knowledge of English and AK and MK some Italian, in order for all these conversations to have occurred sounds more like telepathy than actually overhearing conversations thus being able to know what the conversations consisted of

 

[Allusonz]

I had exactly the same reaction, wasnt_me, and carried on about the judge's assumption for some time. Eventually, however, otto (I believe) found testimony from AK (IIRC) that said they washed the dishes and noticed the spill AFTER they ate dinner that night. So I gave up on the argument.

When she gave the later times, AK was just guessing as to when they ate, I suspect.

She did state though that they did do a basic cleanup and would complete it when they got the mop the next morning. Seems the time to find the leak or this basic cleanup was never considered

 

[Allusonz]

So dempsey has different times for some events than the timeline I got off PMF before. While looking at that, I discovered something else.

I went to the Mot. report to get clarity of whether MK called her mom at 8:56pm or 9:30pm (as dempsey writes) and I read again the whole thing about why the judge didn't believe that AK and RS ate late in the evening.

Snipped for space

This timeline was done in Oct 2008 and does not appear to of ever been updated, thus was probably based on info at the time of that particular dates blog

 

[Allusonz]

The MOT. Report disputes that MK's signal was picked up in the garden. It claims that the cell tower sometimes covered the cottage.

If you look in the appeals of RS you will find it there. The number of the cell tower it pinged off is not coming to my mind at this time but it is the first time that any of her calls from inside the cottage ever pinged off that particular tower thus the defense did testing and found that it was enroute to the garden. Surprise the MR is wrong again

 

[SMK]

I agree. I don't think AK and RS had time to leave the apartment, run into RG, decide to play a prank on MK, proceed to via della Pergola, greet MK, have things get "out of hand" and then kill MK. Not even if they all spoke the same language, which they did not.

Allusonz presented info that puts RS on his computer as late as 9:46 pm. The distant cell tower is picking up MK's stolen cell phone by 10:10. There just isn't time in the intervening 24 minutes for any of the prosecutor's theories to take place. This entire case is absurd.

It truly is absurd. But that is just what is so worrisome to me: How on earth did they get convicted, and how do we know that the convictions will not stand? To me, the case ought to have been thrown out of court at its inception for lack of evidence.

 

[Nova]

The MOT. Report disputes that MK's signal was picked up in the garden. It claims that the cell tower sometimes covered the cottage.

Yeah, and I believe that. Do you?

But even if you do believe it, that doesn't explain the errors made while MK was supposedly "fiddling" with her phone, errors the phone's owner wouldn't make, IMO.

 

[SMK]

I guess this is an Asian newscast, but I was wondering if this animation was the one used in court, or is it another one? From looking at this one, it seems absurd and far fetched...just wondering....:waitasec:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrxylYMiMVM&feature=related

 

[Malkmus]

Then the MOT report, for all of it's frivilous detail, should have said that instead of what it said. However, I need to find that bit of testimony. Thanks for the tip, Nova.

It doesn't make sense to me in their time frame that they are watching a movie, cooking and eating and washing dishes in the middle of this movie. Not much attention can be paid to the movie if all this is happening. Just my observation.

I think knowing what time AK was supposed to go to work would clear a lot of this up. Anyone know? I say this because if they were planning to be together up until whenever she was due in to work, then it's safe to assume that they wanted to eat and watch the movie before that time.

10PM - 2AM was her shift.

 

[Nova]

I guess this is an Asian newscast, but I was wondering if this animation was the one used in court, or is it another one? From looking at this one, it seems absurd and far fetched...just wondering....:waitasec:

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DrxylYMiMVM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrxylYMiMVM&feature=related

Surely that was NOT used in court. It shows one of the boys throwing a rock through a GROUND-FLOOR window, for Pete's sake!

 

[Nova]

10PM - 2AM was her shift.

She got the call from PL saying not to come in around 8:30, yes?

Do you believe she was actually out of the apartment when she got that call? Seems rather earlier, unless she originally planned to eat at the restaurant.

 

[Malkmus]

Yes, I believe she was out of the apartment when she received the text from Patrick not to come in. I believe it was at 8:18. Another reason I find it hard to believe that they cooked together, were done eating and had washed the dishes at 8:42 if she was on route to Raf's just 20 minutes earlier. Possible yes, but it's straining, IMO. Her version of eating later makes more sense to me.

 

[Nova]

Yes, I believe she was out of the apartment when she received the text from Patrick not to come in. I believe it was at 8:18. Another reason I find it hard to believe that they cooked together, were done eating and had washed the dishes at 8:42 if she was on route to Raf's just 20 minutes earlier. Possible yes, but it's straining, IMO. Her version of eating later makes more sense to me.

Interesting. I've already said I don't think she and RS had time to kill MK.

But you are the first I've read who pushes the dinner time back. How do you discount the father's call and the friend who stopped by? Or don't you think they establish dinner being over as claimed?

 

[wasnt_me]

If you look in the appeals of RS you will find it there. The number of the cell tower it pinged off is not coming to my mind at this time but it is the first time that any of her calls from inside the cottage ever pinged off that particular tower thus the defense did testing and found that it was enroute to the garden. Surprise the MR is wrong again

I thought I read that the MOT report discounted anything the defense said in that regard because they believed that MK's phone had pinged from that tower before while she was in the cottage. How they know where MK was on prior pings is beyond me. She could have been near the cell phone drop site for some strange reason in the past, know what I mean? It will take me time to dig through the MOT to find what I'm talking about, unless someone else already knows where it is in the report.

Oh, wait, are you saying I'm right about the MOT report, but the defense has brought this up on appeal with proof that the phone pinged on the tower because it was enroute?

 

[wasnt_me]

Yeah, and I believe that. Do you?

But even if you do believe it, that doesn't explain the errors made while MK was supposedly "fiddling" with her phone, errors the phone's owner wouldn't make, IMO.

No, I completely agree with you. Just stating what the greatest report since the bible says. (joking...I actually believe the bible.)

 

[Malkmus]

Interesting. I've already said I don't think she and RS had time to kill MK.

But you are the first I've read who pushes the dinner time back. How do you discount the father's call and the friend who stopped by? Or don't you think they establish dinner being over as claimed?

Well, no, I've simply agreed with earlier posts that the call from Dr. Sollecito doesn't establish that they had eaten yet, only that Raf was washing dishes and was complaining about the sink leaking to him. Jovana Popovich stopping by at about 8:40 doesn't affect this in any way except to establish that Amanda was there and Raf was in the bathroom at that time. Amanda's testimony states that the pipe flooded after they ate. But doesn't rule out that it could have been leaking earlier in the evening as well, but to a lesser extent.

 

[wasnt_me]

10PM - 2AM was her shift.

so if she had to work at 10pm, my guessin they had at least planned enough of their evening to where she could leave him about 930pm-945pm to get to work. So they would have planned for dinner and the movie to be over by then; however, she got texted about what time? 820pm or so, from PL, who told her not to come. So when was the movie over?

The food, they could have cooked quickly or slowly. They might not have started it by the time AK realized she didn't have to work. she replied to PL about 8:38pm, right? and that's when RS was washing dishes and complaining to his father about this leak. Is that correct?

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, I believe she was out of the apartment when she received the text from Patrick not to come in. I believe it was at 8:18. Another reason I find it hard to believe that they cooked together, were done eating and had washed the dishes at 8:42 if she was on route to Raf's just 20 minutes earlier. Possible yes, but it's straining, IMO. Her version of eating later makes more sense to me.

How were they watching this movie if she wasn't there? How do we know she wasn't there? I think I'd read something like that before in some cell records, but I hadn't been emersed enough in the case to understand what it meant. So could you clarify now where the cell tower said she was when PL texted?

 

[Malkmus]

so if she had to work at 10pm, my guessin they had at least planned enough of their evening to where she could leave him about 930pm-945pm to get to work. So they would have planned for dinner and the movie to be over by then; however, she got texted about what time? 820pm or so, from PL, who told her not to come. So when was the movie over?

The food, they could have cooked quickly or slowly. They might not have started it by the time AK realized she didn't have to work. she replied to PL about 8:38pm, right? and that's when RS was washing dishes and complaining to his father about this leak. Is that correct?

She sent the infamous "See you later. Good night" text to Patrick at 8:35. He had told her not to come in at 8:18 before she had reached Raf's. The fact that she texted him her response at 8:35 indicates to me that she probably had just arrived at Raf's a moment earlier and pulled her phone out of her purse - just my opinion though. Raf's father called him at 8:42 and he tells him about the leaky sink. He could have been washing a pan to get ready to cook the fish.