Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[wasnt_me]

More on contamination, showing robed evidence collectors going in and out of MK's room without changing garb.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/contamination3.html

YouTube - InjusticeinPerugia's Channel

In this one, they enter MK's room from the hallway where RG's footprints are. Also of note, RS walked around on that floor, too.

 

[SMK]

Is this Laura's room? I'd read that one of her drawers had been left open, proving someone had been in there, searching around. Her underwear drawer is open in this video. I think this is her room because in the next video, they show a room right next to the murder bathroom, which appears to be amanda's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIpuhHP9HKw&NR=1

Laura's room above?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N-ATwpPsm4&NR=1

Amanda's room above? If that's Amanda's room, there are clothes on the bed. Could that be what she'd been wearing the night before? I don't remember what they said she'd been wearing.

Wasn't Amanda the one with the guitar, which appears in a corner of the first room?

 

[wasnt_me]

Yeah, there are guitars in both rooms. One is displayed and obvious. that's the room I think is Laura's. The other had a guitar in a tight corner. I think that AK's room. Laura was a guitar player and she and AK would play together sometimes. The second one is AK's because it's in the same hallway with the smaller bathroom.

 

[miley]

To me, it looks like watery bloodstains, but I appreciate you and Nova's input, because I have to get second opinions. anyone else with one is welcome to chime in, too. I want to know who used those dirty gloves and where.

it looks like a bunch of bags thrown in a pile - the stain looks like part of the design to me.. sort of georgia okeffeish.

(videos) the top is Lauras with the drawer open and the bottom video is Amanda's w/ the laptop

 

[SMK]

Yeah, there are guitars in both rooms. One is displayed and obvious. that's the room I think is Laura's. The other had a guitar in a tight corner. I think that AK's room. Laura was a guitar player and she and AK would play together sometimes. The second one is AK's because it's in the same hallway with the smaller bathroom.

thanks, did not know this!!!:seeya:

 

[miley]

More on contamination, showing robed evidence collectors going in and out of MK's room without changing garb.

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/contamination3.html

YouTube - InjusticeinPerugia's Channel

In this one, they enter MK's room from the hallway where RG's footprints are. Also of note, RS walked around on that floor, too.

what is hanging over the bathroom door, wonder where that came from?

 

[Allusonz]

Some interesting stuff on Dempsey's new blog

Rundown on RG's alibi depending on which one to believe

"In fact, small-time burglar Rudy Guede has tweaked his alibi more times than Elizabeth Taylor switched husbands. He first said Amanda Knox wasn’t at the crime scene (see translation below, a worldwide exclusive). He didn’t even mention Raffaele. Now the Ivory Coast immigrant claims to be the only person in the world who can place the two college students at the cottage where Kercher was slashed to death. He offers no proof. He’s never been cross-examined in court; in fact, he chose to stay silent when called to testify during their trial. And nearly all evidence points to him as the sole killer.

A good question for a prosecutor to ask: How did your bloody shoeprint happen to get on the pillow found under the victim’s body"

Interesting comments regarding the DNA and experts

" Independent experts have already knocked out the DNA tests, the only evidence linking the former lovers to the cottage "

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/04/28/rudy-guede-amanda-knox-was-not-there/

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't know. I was wondering, too, what that was on the door.

 

[Allusonz]

what is hanging over the bathroom door, wonder where that came from?

Interesting I don't recall any that I have seen previously with that there (could it be a curtain?) the kind you fold over and then hang on rod through the holes?

ETA My mom had some like this if my pickled memory serves me correct

 

[wasnt_me]

I'm on dempsey's blog and I have made some observations.

1. AK and RS describe waking up on Nov 1 at 10am. They had breakfast. AK went home to shower. This is important because guess how they explain beginning the day on November 2nd? They woke up around 10am and AK went home to take a shower. So this is routine for them.

2. FR says this of the day of Nov 1: 12:30 p.m. Filomena returns from her boyfriend Marco’s place: “I went to Via della Pergola with my boyfriend to change clothes because we were going to lunch at Luca Altieri’s house, a friend of Marco’s. Amanda was sitting at the kitchen table wearing a white and dark grey-striped top.”

Note: Police made much of this top, said to be missing after the murder. They finally found it in a house search months later–on Amanda’s bed, where it had been all along.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/10/27/meredith-kercher-timeline-her-last-12-hours/


This is also important because check out Ak's bed:

As you can see from the date on the stills, it was the same day MK's body was found that Ak's grey stripped shirt was on the bed. No blood on it. Same shirt FR saw AK in at 1230pm the previous day. Though I do wonder what AK was going to wear to work at Le Chic, if she'd had to go in...

So I guess a new theory for the 3 on 1 would have to be that she came home to change clothes for work and RG showed up, then RS showed up, then MK showed up. I don't know. What would be the prosecution's theory since the clothes she was seen in the day before are on her bed, as if she'd done exactly what she said, which was stay out all night and come home to shower?

 

[wasnt_me]

Interesting I don't recall any that I have seen previously with that there (could it be a curtain?) the kind you fold over and then hang on rod through the holes?

Doesn't look like anything professional the police brought to use, just as it was unprofessional of them to wrap the mop in gift wrap from the cottage closet before they took it into MK's room for whatever reason they did that for.

 

[Allusonz]

I'm on dempsey's blog and I have made some observations.

1. AK and RS describe waking up on Nov 1 at 10am. They had breakfast. AK went home to shower. This is important because guess how they explain beginning the day on November 2nd? They woke up around 10am and AK went home to take a shower. So this is routine for them.

2. FR says this of the day of Nov 1: 12:30 p.m. Filomena returns from her boyfriend Marco’s place: “I went to Via della Pergola with my boyfriend to change clothes because we were going to lunch at Luca Altieri’s house, a friend of Marco’s. Amanda was sitting at the kitchen table wearing a white and dark grey-striped top.”

Note: Police made much of this top, said to be missing after the murder. They finally found it in a house search months later–on Amanda’s bed, where it had been all along.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2008/10/27/meredith-kercher-timeline-her-last-12-hours/


This is also important because check out Ak's bed:

As you can see from the date on the stills, it was the same day MK's body was found that Ak's grey stripped shirt was on the bed. No blood on it. Same shirt FR saw AK in at 1230pm the previous day. Though I do wonder what AK was going to wear to work at Le Chic, if she'd had to go in...

So I guess a new theory for the 3 on 1 would have to be that she came home to change clothes for work and RG showed up, then RS showed up, then MK showed up. I don't know. What would be the prosecution's theory since the clothes she was seen in the day before are on her bed, as if she'd done exactly what she said, which was stay out all night and come home to shower?

Or she was simply wearing what she was going to work in just planning on eating at RS's then heading directly to work. Seems to be the simpliest explanation as I know I will often wear my work outfits even if I have prior commitments/meetings prior to heading to the office

 

[wasnt_me]

So dempsey has different times for some events than the timeline I got off PMF before. While looking at that, I discovered something else.

I went to the Mot. report to get clarity of whether MK called her mom at 8:56pm or 9:30pm (as dempsey writes) and I read again the whole thing about why the judge didn't believe that AK and RS ate late in the evening.

It is based on a phone call RS was on from his father at 8:40pm. RS tells his father that while washing dishes, he discovered the leak.

So the judge -U-MES that they washed dishes AFTER they ate. I do not see in the report any indication that the father said Rs had said they had actually eaten, just that they were washing dishes.

Okay, let me share something. My kitchen is a wreck right now. and usually, it is a wreck. So before I cook, guess what I have to do? WASH DISHES.

I can imagine I'm not the only person in the world who might have to clean up there kitchen before they cook. So if they were doing some dishes, wiping down counters before they cooked, and then they saw the leak, it would stand to reason that they ate later on, because they were unsuccessfully handling the leak before they even cooked.

Does that not make sense?

I think it's irresponsible in a murder trial to say that because they'd washed dishes, they must have already eaten. I do not know if this was put to AK and what her response was to it. Maybe she didn't say what I have theorized about washing dishes first, but it seems that her unconventional behavior definitely got her into this, so I can imagine that she'd wash dishes before cooking. I mean, like I said, I do it all the time. Especially because I only have one skillet. So if I use it in the morning, go to work, and come home, it's in the sink for washing, and I need it to cook my dinner. Makes sense?

I guess RS decided to wash dishes and start cooking because their movie was half way over.

From the MOT Report:

In the course of her witness examination she indicated that they had dinner around 21:30 pm to 22:00 pm; then she put the time further out, at about 23:00 pm. But this claim is contradicted by the declarations made by Francesco Sollecito. He, as noted, stated that he spoke with his son on the phone at 20:42 pm (phone records corroborate his statement), who told him "he was with Amanda" (p. 16, hearing of June 19, 2009). Indeed, later on, around midnight of that "November 1", knowing that he was with this girl, he limited himself to just sending him a text message (p. 19, hearing cited above). Francesco Sollecito also explained that, during the 8:42 pm call, his son mentioned "that while he was washing dishes he realised he had a water spill" (p. 45). This fact, which was also mentioned by Amanda Knox (who links it to the need to fetch the mop to dry up the floor), is relevant because it allows us to determine the time of dinner as being around 8:30 pm and before the call at 8:42 pm, in which Raffaele tells his father that while washing the dishes he had a leak from the sink. page 78

 

[SMK]

So dempsey has different times for some events than the timeline I got off PMF before. While looking at that, I discovered something else.

I went to the Mot. report to get clarity of whether MK called her mom at 8:56pm or 9:30pm (as dempsey writes) and I read again the whole thing about why the judge didn't believe that AK and RS ate late in the evening.

It is based on a phone call RS was on from his father at 8:40pm. RS tells his father that while washing dishes, he discovered the leak.

So the judge -U-MES that they washed dishes AFTER they ate. I do not see in the report any indication that the father said Rs had said they had actually eaten, just that they were washing dishes.

Okay, let me share something. My kitchen is a wreck right now. and usually, it is a wreck. So before I cook, guess what I have to do? WASH DISHES.

I can imagine I'm not the only person in the world who might have to clean up there kitchen before they cook. So if they were doing some dishes, wiping down counters before they cooked, and then they saw the leak, it would stand to reason that they ate later on, because they were unsuccessfully handling the leak before they even cooked.

Does that not make sense?

I think it's irresponsible in a murder trial to say that because they'd washed dishes, they must have already eaten. I do not know if this was put to AK and what her response was to it. Maybe she didn't say what I have theorized about washing dishes first, but it seems that her unconventional behavior definitely got her into this, so I can imagine that she'd wash dishes before cooking. I mean, like I said, I do it all the time. Especially because I only have one skillet. So if I use it in the morning, go to work, and come home, it's in the sink for washing, and I need it to cook my dinner. Makes sense?

I guess RS decided to wash dishes and start cooking because their movie was half way over.

From the MOT Report:

In the course of her witness examination she indicated that they had dinner around 21:30 pm to 22:00 pm; then she put the time further out, at about 23:00 pm. But this claim is contradicted by the declarations made by Francesco Sollecito. He, as noted, stated that he spoke with his son on the phone at 20:42 pm (phone records corroborate his statement), who told him "he was with Amanda" (p. 16, hearing of June 19, 2009). Indeed, later on, around midnight of that "November 1", knowing that he was with this girl, he limited himself to just sending him a text message (p. 19, hearing cited above). Francesco Sollecito also explained that, during the 8:42 pm call, his son mentioned "that while he was washing dishes he realised he had a water spill" (p. 45). This fact, which was also mentioned by Amanda Knox (who links it to the need to fetch the mop to dry up the floor), is relevant because it allows us to determine the time of dinner as being around 8:30 pm and before the call at 8:42 pm, in which Raffaele tells his father that while washing the dishes he had a leak from the sink. page 78

If you believe Hendry's time of death - as I do - to be no later than 9:30, then the fact that Raffaele was on the phone til 8:45 and his computer showed activity at 9:20 more or less rules out Knox and Sollecito, and reveals that Guded committed murder during a robbery in progress. All evidence I have seen points to this. You don't have dinner, talk on the phone with your Dad, and then rush out to commit a brutal murder. Where is the build up? and as you say they could have eaten later....yes, I have often done dishes BEFORE cooking or eating too.

 

[Nova]

Some interesting stuff on Dempsey's new blog

Rundown on RG's alibi depending on which one to believe

"In fact, small-time burglar Rudy Guede has tweaked his alibi more times than Elizabeth Taylor switched husbands. He first said Amanda Knox wasn’t at the crime scene (see translation below, a worldwide exclusive). He didn’t even mention Raffaele. Now the Ivory Coast immigrant claims to be the only person in the world who can place the two college students at the cottage where Kercher was slashed to death. He offers no proof. He’s never been cross-examined in court; in fact, he chose to stay silent when called to testify during their trial. And nearly all evidence points to him as the sole killer.

A good question for a prosecutor to ask: How did your bloody shoeprint happen to get on the pillow found under the victim’s body"

Interesting comments regarding the DNA and experts

" Independent experts have already knocked out the DNA tests, the only evidence linking the former lovers to the cottage "

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2011/04/28/rudy-guede-amanda-knox-was-not-there/

It's nice to see a writer finally address the issue of fluency in language and who spoke what. Too many accounts of the events of Nov. 1 seem to assume that everyone understands everyone else perfectly.

 

[Nova]

So dempsey has different times for some events than the timeline I got off PMF before. While looking at that, I discovered something else.

I went to the Mot. report to get clarity of whether MK called her mom at 8:56pm or 9:30pm (as dempsey writes) and I read again the whole thing about why the judge didn't believe that AK and RS ate late in the evening.

It is based on a phone call RS was on from his father at 8:40pm. RS tells his father that while washing dishes, he discovered the leak.

So the judge -U-MES that they washed dishes AFTER they ate....

I had exactly the same reaction, wasnt_me, and carried on about the judge's assumption for some time. Eventually, however, otto (I believe) found testimony from AK (IIRC) that said they washed the dishes and noticed the spill AFTER they ate dinner that night. So I gave up on the argument.

When she gave the later times, AK was just guessing as to when they ate, I suspect.

 

[SMK]

I had exactly the same reaction, wasnt_me, and carried on about the judge's assumption for some time. Eventually, however, otto (I believe) found testimony from AK (IIRC) that said they washed the dishes and noticed the spill AFTER they ate dinner that night. So I gave up on the argument.

When she gave the later times, AK was just guessing as to when they ate, I suspect.

OK, that would seem to rule out eating far later - but even assuming they did eat earlier, I still feel with Hendry's excellent analysis as to the many reasons MK was killed shortly after arriving home , dead by 9:30 pm (he believes the whole event took about 12 minutes) - plus the fact that RS was talking to his Dad about quarter to 9, and on his computer at 9:20, it still does not seem likely to me that the 2 were involved.

 

[Nova]

OK, that would seem to rule out eating far later - but even assuming they did eat earlier, I still feel with Hendry's excellent analysis as to the many reasons MK was killed shortly after arriving home , dead by 9:30 pm (he believes the whole event took about 12 minutes) - plus the fact that RS was talking to his Dad about quarter to 9, and on his computer at 9:20, it still does not seem likely to me that the 2 were involved.

I agree. I don't think AK and RS had time to leave the apartment, run into RG, decide to play a prank on MK, proceed to via della Pergola, greet MK, have things get "out of hand" and then kill MK. Not even if they all spoke the same language, which they did not.

Allusonz presented info that puts RS on his computer as late as 9:46 pm. The distant cell tower is picking up MK's stolen cell phone by 10:10. There just isn't time in the intervening 24 minutes for any of the prosecutor's theories to take place. This entire case is absurd.

 

[wasnt_me]

I had exactly the same reaction, wasnt_me, and carried on about the judge's assumption for some time. Eventually, however, otto (I believe) found testimony from AK (IIRC) that said they washed the dishes and noticed the spill AFTER they ate dinner that night. So I gave up on the argument.

When she gave the later times, AK was just guessing as to when they ate, I suspect.

Then the MOT report, for all of it's frivilous detail, should have said that instead of what it said. However, I need to find that bit of testimony. Thanks for the tip, Nova.

It doesn't make sense to me in their time frame that they are watching a movie, cooking and eating and washing dishes in the middle of this movie. Not much attention can be paid to the movie if all this is happening. Just my observation.

I think knowing what time AK was supposed to go to work would clear a lot of this up. Anyone know? I say this because if they were planning to be together up until whenever she was due in to work, then it's safe to assume that they wanted to eat and watch the movie before that time.

 

[wasnt_me]

Allusonz presented info that puts RS on his computer as late as 9:46 pm. The distant cell tower is picking up MK's stolen cell phone by 10:10. There just isn't time in the intervening 24 minutes for any of the prosecutor's theories to take place. This entire case is absurd.

The MOT. Report disputes that MK's signal was picked up in the garden. It claims that the cell tower sometimes covered the cottage.