Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[SMK]

Yes I did and found it quite well done

Me too

 

[SMK]

When I refer to Knox's violent writings, or "creative writing", I am specifically referring to her Baby Brother story, about a rape, and the story she wrote in prison for which she won the prison writing award, a story about the attack of a young woman who is left to die. Those writings are a window to her mind, and what is seen through that window is violence against women.

Had she written this before the crime, and not after, it would seem more an anticipation of violence, instead of, as another poster has aptly said, a working out through catharsis of it. But it is true that it is easy to view her this way when one is enthralled by the prosecution's theory: I held such a view for a very long time. I still would, if the evidence were strong enough.

 

[dgfred]

Much ado about nothing. Why am I completely and utterly not surprised. This just validates the CPJ's claims.

Another frivolous lawsuit from Mignini. Sheesh.
Keep up the great work, Mignini!

Why am I not surprised you side (without all the facts of course) with poor persecuted AK and Frank by reading that blog (by AK supporter) about what happened to a AK supporter, and what AK supporters are doing by re-posting the blog? Doesn't seem the Judge or Google thought it was frivolous. CPJ has validated nothing.

 

[Nova]

Why would Doug Preston change his story, first claiming that he was questioned for 3 hours and then adjusting the time to 2 hours; the same length of time that Knox was questioned? Since he's been fixated on this experience for the last five years, it hardly seems like a detail he would forget. Could he be doing this because he has an agenda? Has he become old and forgetful?

Should we make excuses for the fact that novelist Doug Preston can't keep his facts straight?

otto, you know perfectly well that interviews in TV shows are heavily edited. I only know he referred to a two-hour period of interrogation in the edited clip. I don't know what he was asked or whether he was referring to the entire interrogation or only a two-hour continuous portion of it.

Maybe in the book he included waiting time before Mignini entered the room, but in the TV interview he only included time actually spent answering questions. Maybe he was interrogated by someone else for an hour and then by Mignini for two. (As you know this wouldn't be unusual LE procedure.)

Or maybe he checked his notes in between the publication of the book and the filming of the TV interview and decided he had made a mistake.

Preston said he was certain of the time because he made sure to write down the start and end times as soon as the interrogation was over. In his own interview, IIRC, Mignini claimed it was 20 minutes, then half-an-hour, the time period getting longer when the reporter pointed out that Preston had written down the times. I had no doubt who was lying.

 

[Nova]

When I refer to Knox's violent writings, or "creative writing", I am specifically referring to her Baby Brother story, about a rape, and the story she wrote in prison for which she won the prison writing award, a story about the attack of a young woman who is left to die. Those writings are a window to her mind, and what is seen through that window is violence against women.

But the issue at trial isn't her imagination, it's her behavior. To my knowledge, nobody has ever proved a direct correlation between behavior and the content of one's creative writing.

As I've mentioned to you before, I've taught playwriting to students AK's age. They almost ALL wrote about crime and violence, because that's what they see in most movies and TV.

 

[Nova]

Preston's book, the Monster of Florence, details his experience with being questioned in connection with the investigation on pages 253-259. He was snooping around areas crucial to the investigation with an Italian journalist that had a tip from police. I expect that snooping novelists could compromise the investigation.

Whether you like it or not, Preston was acting as a journalist with regards to the Monster of Florence investigation.

You ought to be outraged by Mignini's jihads against journalists and others who expose the corrupt workings of the Italian judicial system. Because I can't help but notice that you are happy to rely on a free press when it publishes gossip and innuendo that is detrimental to AK.

 

[wasnt_me]

Mig wanted to keep Frank from writing during this appeal time. I hope it doesn't work. I hope Frank keeps writing and people find him, so they can read it.

 

[Nova]

Much ado about nothing. Why am I completely and utterly not surprised. This just validates the CPJ's claims.

Another frivolous lawsuit from Mignini. Sheesh.
Keep up the great work, Mignini!

Not even a conviction for abuse of authority slows him down!

At what point do the Italians themselves get fed up with this abuse of power and their own system? Does anyone have an opinion?

Because at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that Americans find Mignini's conduct appalling.

 

[otto]

Had she written this before the crime, and not after, it would seem more an anticipation of violence, instead of, as another poster has aptly said, a working out through catharsis of it. But it is true that it is easy to view her this way when one is enthralled by the prosecution's theory: I held such a view for a very long time. I still would, if the evidence were strong enough.

Baby Brother, written a few months before the murder of Meredith Kercher, is about the rape of a woman.

 

[otto]

otto, you know perfectly well that interviews in TV shows are heavily edited. I only know he referred to a two-hour period of interrogation in the edited clip. I don't know what he was asked or whether he was referring to the entire interrogation or only a two-hour continuous portion of it.

Maybe in the book he included waiting time before Mignini entered the room, but in the TV interview he only included time actually spent answering questions. Maybe he was interrogated by someone else for an hour and then by Mignini for two. (As you know this wouldn't be unusual LE procedure.)

Or maybe he checked his notes in between the publication of the book and the filming of the TV interview and decided he had made a mistake.

Preston said he was certain of the time because he made sure to write down the start and end times as soon as the interrogation was over. In his own interview, IIRC, Mignini claimed it was 20 minutes, then half-an-hour, the time period getting longer when the reporter pointed out that Preston had written down the times. I had no doubt who was lying.

Lots of excuses for the fact that Doug Preston can't keep his facts straight!

 

[SMK]

Baby Brother, written a few months before the murder of Meredith Kercher, is about the rape of a woman.

OK, this is at least prior to the crime. But Otto, I am not sure how old you are. But I went back to college and grad school in the late 90s, early 00s. And I can tell you unequivocally, rape, date rape, sexual molestation are themes which young girls and young women write about constantly, thanks to the victim feminist movement begun in academia by Dworkin and others. Of course Amanda is thinking about sexual violence against women! It is the academic initiation nowadays, part of women's studies, etc. I took a philosophy of feminism class on Saturdays, all women 18-30, which I withdrew from, because all anyone talked about was rape!

 

[wasnt_me]

Baby Brother, written a few months before the murder of Meredith Kercher, is about the rape of a woman.

Per you this "other story" was written while she was in prison, and as I said, it might have been her way of working through what happened to MK. If you're talking about both stories as you say below, I'm not sure what the point even is, because AK did NOT rape anyone and we are not technically sure she left anyone to die. If she is guilty, we STILL do not know that she "left anyone to die," as those towels do lend proof that someone might have tried to stop MK's bleeding, and we don't know if AK was present or not present for Mk's last breath. If she was present, then she did not leave her to die because leaving her to die would mean exiting before her last breath.

I feel sorry for any writer who never committed a crime but writes about one, if this is how they are treated.

Originally Posted by otto
When I refer to Knox's violent writings, or "creative writing", I am specifically referring to her Baby Brother story, about a rape, and the story she wrote in prison for which she won the prison writing award, a story about the attack of a young woman who is left to die. Those writings are a window to her mind, and what is seen through that window is violence against women.

 

[otto]

But the issue at trial isn't her imagination, it's her behavior. To my knowledge, nobody has ever proved a direct correlation between behavior and the content of one's creative writing.

As I've mentioned to you before, I've taught playwriting to students AK's age. They almost ALL wrote about crime and violence, because that's what they see in most movies and TV.

Knox has written two stories about violence against women (that we know of), one before the murder, one after. She is convicted of violence against a woman - a brutal murder. If there is no correlation between what is going on in her head, what she puts on paper and her actions, then she must be an alien.

Regarding your claim that student's in their early twenties are fixated on crime and violence because that's what they know, I vehemently disagree. I have taught post-secondary students for years, and I have yet to see the theme of crime and violence in any student submissions. I have also wrtten far too many papers myself, and never once have I been inclined to fixate on violence against women. Much as many would like to neutralize what Knox puts on paper, I personally see absolutely no excuse for it. In my opinion, not only is the quality of her writing a C (not excellent or honors), but the content is anything but normal.

 

[wasnt_me]

If even one person on the planet has written a story about violence but has never committed violence, then you cannot use the fact that she wrote these stories as proof that she killed MK.

No one should be convicted upon "correlations." they should be convicted upon facts.

 

[otto]

Whether you like it or not, Preston was acting as a journalist with regards to the Monster of Florence investigation.

You ought to be outraged by Mignini's jihads against journalists and others who expose the corrupt workings of the Italian judicial system. Because I can't help but notice that you are happy to rely on a free press when it publishes gossip and innuendo that is detrimental to AK.

Journalists used to fact check and report news. It seems like today, everyone with a blog and a keyboard considers him or herself to be a journalist. Preston is a novelist and crime writer according to his biography.

 

[wasnt_me]

Why am I not surprised you side (without all the facts of course) with poor persecuted AK and Frank by reading that blog (by AK supporter) about what happened to a AK supporter, and what AK supporters are doing by re-posting the blog? Doesn't seem the Judge or Google thought it was frivolous. CPJ has validated nothing.

If sweden has no laws prohibiting this blog and declares that Italy does not supercede its laws, then I don't see the problem. One judge and one company doesn't faze Sweden, and that's sweden's decision. Why so bitter toward those who support Sweden in not being bullied by Mig-meani?

I mean, are you saying there's no facts because we don't know Sweden actually did this? There's no facts about what Frank did OR DID NOT do? Here, it matters not due to Sweden's laws. We see the blog up where they said it would be, so obviously this is Sweden's choice. It doesn't matter what an italian judge ruled as far as Sweden is concerned.

And I'm surprised that you believe judge's are infalliable. what are appeals for if judges and juries are not falliable? As for google, it does not think. It's a corporation. It acts in its own best interest. For some reason, its board decided to comply.

 

[wasnt_me]

Journalists used to fact check and report news. It seems like today, everyone with a blog and a keyboard considers him or herself to be a journalist. Preston is a novelist and crime writer according to his biography.

and this is exactly why it's so important to get corroberation of your facts and circumstanial evidence before believing everything you read on the pro-guilt or pro-innocence side.

 

[dgfred]

Journalists used to fact check and report news. It seems like today, everyone with a blog and a keyboard considers him or herself to be a journalist. Preston is a novelist and crime writer according to his biography.

If one thing is certain regarding this issue and the case in general (as well in the investigation of the murder), it is that lying doesn't pay... to investigators or in blogs.

 

[otto]

and this is exactly why it's so important to get corroberation of your facts and circumstanial evidence before believing everything you read on the pro-guilt or pro-innocence side.

I'm still waiting to hear the details of why there is a court order forcing Frank's Perugia-Shock blog to be removed. I'm concerned that Frank's problems will be multiplied by well-intentioned pro-innocenti who are running around trying to get Frank back online. I'm wondering why people are duplicating Frank's writings, knowing full well that it could have repercussions for Frank. As I said before, Frank cannot be ignorant of the fact that others are republishing his work, so it gives the appearance that he is essentially trying to circumvent the court order. I don't think the court in Florence will take kindly to this.

 

[wasnt_me]

I still say just in the case of wikileaks, if Sweden allows it, so be it. Italy cannot do anything about Sweden.

and if you're waiting for the facts to come out, it's prudent to reserve judgment on Frank until you have those facts, because as I said before judges and juries are not infallable.

I additionally think it could be problematic for Frank that well-meaning people might be acting without consulting with him. Afterall, as we've discussed, it is his blog, his copyrighted work. If he can't have control over what they are doing with it, that is bad for him, no matter what Italy says. I think the best thing for italy to do is ban the site in Italy. I disagree with that type of move, but What more can it do if Sweden is hosting the blog? Declare war on Sweden?

I remember a rape case where a young man fled to sweden for years and years to avoid US prosecution. We asked for him back. Sweden would not comply. that was allowing that man to break US law. Sweden did not care. So that's just how it is. Didn't we have that problem with a famous man who'd raped a girl and then went and lived over there. I can't remember his name right now. Oscar winner or something.

In any event, each country has its own laws and other countries can't do anything about that without invading. So Italy's hands are tied, is all i know.