Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #12

[otto]

If you are stating that Marie Pace is AK there should easily be a cite for it

Looking forward to what you find about the prison author, Marie Pace, who wrote the story about attacking a woman and leaving her to die. There were 11 submissions from Amanda's prison, so perhaps it was one of the other women, and perhaps not. Marie Pace got the prize money (small amount) for the story. I think it's obvious to everyone that it wasn't because of the quality of writing.

 

[otto]

7. Luca Maori, an attorney for Raffaele Sollecito

8. Giangavino Sulas, journalist for Oggi magazine

9. The director and editor of Oggi magazine

10. Mario Spezi: Italian journalist who co-wrote The Monster of Florence with journalist and author Doug Preston. Mignini continues to torment Spezi for simply disagreeing with him.

11. Francesca Bene, an Italian reporter, said Knox had, in her opinion, advanced her cause by making clear what police had not previously conceded , that Knox thought she was being a helpful witness when in fact police were targeting her as a suspect and should have told her so. Mignini didn't like hearing the truth from Bene.

12. Gabriella Carlizzi: Carlizzi is a psychic. Mignini has charged Carlizzi with defamation multiple times. Doug Preston says that Mignini used Carlizzi as a witness in the Monster of Florence Case

Please note it does not have RS's family or Frank's listed

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/Mignini.html

I'll be happy to respond, but could you please attach the name of an author to this opinion?

 

[otto]

I think you stated that you adopted this opinion. If you did, you adopted it (I'd have to go back and find your exact words if you disagree), then you state yourself that you did so from a man who was not only angry with AK, but who also sued her over the same incident he was discussing when he said she wasn't evil. He was saying that in regard to her implicating him. He was not saying that in regard to her over all life, and though he most definitely knows her better than us, he cannot really KNOW AK, whom he only met, what a month prior to that statement that he made while entangled in weeks of legal trouble that was her fault.

And to prove that PL was indeed angry, I'd have to cite his interview with Frank, where frank is astonished that PL seemed far removed from the happy man he'd been before the implication. Frank even cited with what angry PL pounded on the table while discussing AK.

So I advise taking his assessments of her under the advisement that he has a reason to think she has no soul, since he blamed her and sought damages for what she'd done.

I don't think so. Amanda Knox destroyed a man's life with her lies. She left him to rot in jail for two weeks knowing full well that he was innocent. Whatever Patrick feels for Amanda is genuine and a direct result of knowing the ugliest side of her.

 

[Allusonz]

I'll be happy to respond, but could you please attach the name of an author to this opinion?

They are lawsuits brought against all of these people. Surely you have read about many of them in the newspaper articles especially AK's and her parents. You as well can now add Franks and you have written repeatedly regarding RS's family

ETA There are also many with respect to journalists that are documented on the CPJ website

 

[Allusonz]

I don't think so. Amanda Knox destroyed a man's life with her lies. She left him to rot in jail for two weeks knowing full well that he was innocent. Whatever Patrick feels for Amanda is genuine and a direct result of knowing the ugliest side of her.

Again, I don't condone her statement but I also believe it was coerced. The fact the ILE kept him in prison as long as they did without evidence, then refused to give him his license back to reopen his establishment for 3 months cannot be attributed to AK. That is solely the responsibility of ILE

 

[otto]

They are lawsuits brought against all of these people. Surely you have read about many of them in the newspaper articles especially AK's and her parents. You as well can now add Franks and you have written repeatedly regarding RS's family

Sure. Who authored the text that you posted? If it's merely a list of lawsuits, what does that have to do with Prosecutor Mignini lying?

 

[otto]

Again, I don't condone her statement but I also believe it was coerced. The fact the ILE kept him in prison as long as they did without evidence, then refused to give him his license back to reopen his establishment for 3 months cannot be attributed to AK. That is solely the responsibility of ILE

Who coerced Amanda and her mother to remain silent about the truth for two weeks?

 

[JBean]

LOL, please do not post more than 10% of an article in one post or 5 posts.
Please edit so you can edit as you choose.

 

[wasnt_me]

I don't think so. Amanda Knox destroyed a man's life with her lies. She left him to rot in jail for two weeks knowing full well that he was innocent. Whatever Patrick feels for Amanda is genuine and a direct result of knowing the ugliest side of her.

Did I say that it was not genuine? I don't recall saying it wasn't genuine. PL can certainly have genuine feelings about AK, doesn't mean he has the all encompassing opinion of who she really is based on his bad experience with her. How can you draw the conclusion that his experience with her over a month to 6 weeks gives an accurate depiction of who she really is?

I'm not sure what you are saying "i don't think so," for. Why are you saying that? What did I say in my post that you disagree with?

Also, I must disagree that AK left him to rot and we will continue to disagree over that, because as I recall, you don't count her statements in her letters after the declaration to be her effort to get him out of jail, and I do. Further, I believe it was up to the police to NEVER have arrested him without facts in the first place. They should NEVER have arrested him on the words of anyone they expect is also involved in the crime without first ascertaining if he had an alibi. Why would they worry about him fleeing in the meantime? They snagged RG out of Germany, so they had time to get it right themselves.

It's absurd to blame AK because the police did not properly and quickly investigate to get PL out of prison. No, she should not have implicated him but she also did not hold the keys to his cell.

Now you please tell me how AK could have gotten him out of jail when the police were not listening to her say that she'd imagined the whole thing?

 

[Allusonz]

Sure. Who authored the text that you posted? If it's merely a list of lawsuits, what does that have to do with Prosecutor Mignini lying?

As stated before Mignini has a pattern of bringing lawsuits I could compare it much to a serial killer that picks there next victim although I don't believe him to be a serial killer I am simply using an analogy

 

[Allusonz]

LOL, please do not post more than 10% of an article in one post or 5 posts.
Please edit so you can edit as you choose.

I thought I was being good!!. Thanks for clarifying that rofl

 

[wasnt_me]

:floorlaugh:

I knew that wasn't going work Allusonz, so gone get in your jacket and your rubber massage room. Glad Jbean gave you an editing pass on it.

 

[Allusonz]

:floorlaugh:

I knew that wasn't going work Allusonz, so gone get in your jacket and your rubber massage room. Glad Jbean gave you an editing pass on it.

I will simply have to make a new designer straight jacket :innocent:

ETA I learn new things every day At least I did it honestly :giggle:

 

[SMK]

I don't share your regard for Mignini, but I trust that you know more of him than I.

But we all know the old adage: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Despite attempts at reform, the current Italian criminal justice system invests enormous power in judges and prosecutors: judges even get to sit on their own juries! I see few checks or balances, though perhaps I will feel differently when the appellate court rules.

But the ability of prosecutors to charge anyone who is critical of their work with slander makes them virtually impervious to domestic criticism.

Well said. And I agree with the Lord Acton quote. In Mignini's case, his power is in a certain realm becoming absolute. Hence, the danger.

 

[wasnt_me]

Make one with a hat that has a straw and a lot for holding wine on the top.

 

[Allusonz]

Make one with a hat that has a straw and a lot for holding wine on the top.

Can it have a rubber straw? In a rubber bottle? With a rubber straw hat? Oh god I am laughing so hard at myself right now you guys would be dying of laughter

 

[SMK]

I was asking whether she was exposed to violence throughout her childhood, not suggesting that she was obsessed with violence. I find her dull and uninteresting, an opinion I formed while following the trial. I think one of the negative aspects of her personality is that she writes trash about violence against women. I think that's a bit sick minded. I still find her dull and uninteresting. I don't view her the least bit interesting as a psychopath. She's cold like Karla Homolka, and I wouldn't want a glimpse into her mind either. As Patrick said, she's not evil, she simply has no soul.

How, pray, can one determine if a 20 year old girl has or has not a "soul"??? In the case of Karla, yes, it seemed a whole realm was simply missing from the girl. But that was after she had dully partaken in the killing of her own sister and other girls, and disposing of bodies. Knox has displayed no such gaping hole. She seems to have as much of a "soul" as anyone. :waitasec:

 

[SMK]

Amanda is in the best place to get help. The rehabilitation opportunities in Italian prisons will help her tremendously. We've already seen a change in her. She no longer treats Meredith's murder trial as a joke - big improvement! She is encouraged to find God, to write, dance, study, work ... everything she needs to be rehabilitated so that she can function within the laws of society. I have faith in the system. The jury (not the two prosecutors) was able to conclude, after 11 months of trial (far different than what is done in the US), that Amanda and Raffaele were guilty. Rudy was found guilty by a judge alone, but that judge recognized that Rudy could not have acted alone. How can so many people that saw and heard the complete evidence be wrong? Isn't that what is generally assumed with trials in the US ... even though what we've heard implies not guilty, we blindly accept that what we didn't hear was compelling? Why not in this case as well? What we didn't hear must have been sufficient for the jury to conclude a guilty verdict.

Otto, my man, where have we gone wrong with ye? The evidence just is not there, my dear, in this case. Just tis not there. fftobed: ETA: Yes, the high court which ruled Rudy could not have acted alone gives me stern pause. Why did he conclude as he did, when many intelligent people who have studied all the evidence in depth, including the defense expert witness, say he most likely did act alone???

 

[wasnt_me]

Can it have a rubber straw? In a rubber bottle? With a rubber straw hat? Oh god I am laughing so hard at myself right now you guys would be dying of laughter

OMG, you gotta have a rubber bottle. We can't be hurting ourselves around the resort. Can you imagine if we fell over with glass bottles on our heads? Or if we had to do this :banghead: with glass bottles on our heads? and rubber bottles are environmentally friendly because we use less glass!

:floorlaugh:

 

[SMK]

In Cold Blood took years to write and pretty much destroyed the author in the process. That is not the same "crime novel" trash that we are seeing today - no comparison. Dostoevsky is as dry as Kafka. Sure they say something about politics, justice, crime, culture, society and so much more, but Preston is not in the same league anymore than Amanda is in the same league. If you see Preston and Knox as in the same leagues as Mark Twain and famous Russian authors ... great. My opinion drastically differs.

Preston's intelligence and writing is of a very high order. Really first-rate caliber.