Meredith Kercher murdered-Amanda Knox appeals conviction #13

[otto]

That is an important distinction. If it had of just been a letter from him people would not take much note. The fact there are 10 others which signed it suggests something else. Combine that with the letter from CPJ etc., and you have a pattern showing

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[OldSteve]

I feel sorry for Raf because he seems to just have been dragged along in it all. And he was a lovesick puppy. Brand new girl friend, exotic because she was american, a whole new discovery as he had to help her learn Italian. Even more mysterious because they could only communicate so much with actual words.

I suppose her saw her as such a delicate thing, far from home, in a sea of people who she couldn't fully understand. It's a frightening thought for me to be somewhere, far from home, and barely know the language. And yet, AK was no doubt adventurous and spritely, not letting that bother her. But to Rs, it probably made him see her naive and too trusting, in need of someone to protect her.

What did either of them know of each other, though. It'd only been a week. I wonder how quickly the amorous feelings took to wear off while behind bars. I do wonder how they feel about each other now. It's very sad that their romance was ground to a halt over something so horrible.

I thought that same thing about MK and the new boyfriend she'd had. Finding out about her death aboard a train home to see her again. Wow. I don't know how serious they could have been, though, because as it seems, he hadn't really contacted her much over that holiday. I just can't imagine how devastating it is to have everything just cut off and someone snatched away over something so senseless.

That's part of the reason I've been avoiding too deep of thoughts about MK. Her death was horrible, and I get so sad and so angry if I dwell on that aspect of it. so I focus on AK and Rs because they are a live and there is at least hope for them, even if only a fool's hope at times.

Nicely written - well thought out - could not agree more - your sentiments are most touching!

 

[wasnt_me]

Thanks Oldsteve...:blush:

It's so important to remember that these are all real people with hopes, dreams, and real minutes, hours, days, and years in prison. MK's minutes, hours, days, and years have stopped, which is why it's so important to get it right and not take away the wrong people's lives. It's a travesty of justice to do so.

MK deserves the right people to suffer for what was done to her.

 

[wasnt_me]

This here is some information about RS's state of mind after the first trial.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...le-sollecito-mental-problems/story?id=9300723

It answers some of the questions I posed earlier about him and Amanda's relationship, etc. Oh, but note, it's an article about RS, but AK's picture is on it.

Photos of RS from the most recent hearing, etc.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Raffaele+Sollecito

 

[SMK]

This here is some information about RS's state of mind after the first trial.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...le-sollecito-mental-problems/story?id=9300723

It answers some of the questions I posed earlier about him and Amanda's relationship, etc. Oh, but note, it's an article about RS, but AK's picture is on it.

Photos of RS from the most recent hearing, etc.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Raffaele+Sollecito

He obviously had a dissociative incident, and it is no wonder. He is still a handsome boy, but he looks aged before his time. I noticed this as well in other photos, lines around his eyes, and a look of being nearer to 35. In this older pic, he looks better - looking at the eyes and cheekbones he could be Knox's own brother:

 

[wasnt_me]

I cannot imagine being confined, told what to do and when. I can't imagine not being able to where I want, eat what I want, smoke my cigarettes, see my dogs.

And I would imagine I could take "comfort" in the fact that I actually did what I was accused of doing to be there, but for those who are innocent. God, I can't imagine having my freedom just ripped away and I did NOTHING.

We take it for granted, but freedom is just as important as life itself, for what quality of life can you possibly have with no freedom?

"Give me liberty or give me death...."

 

[SMK]

I cannot imagine being confined, told what to do and when. I can't imagine not being able to where I want, eat what I want, smoke my cigarettes, see my dogs.

And I would imagine I could take "comfort" in the fact that I actually did what I was accused of doing to be there, but for those who are innocent. God, I can't imagine having my freedom just ripped away and I did NOTHING.

We take it for granted, but freedom is just as important as life itself, for what quality of life can you possibly have with no freedom?

"Give me liberty or give me death...."

I agree, and that is why I do not really believe in any lengthy prison sentences. For non violent offenses, shorter sentences, for murder , death (this is what I would want for myself, anyway). But if innocent, it would be unbearable.

 

[Malkmus]

There is nothing strange in running two mutually exclusive drives, or running mac through a PC. The computer logs are still computer logs, and a back lit keyboard (common enough feature) means nothing.

Last I checked my macbook keyboard doesn't light up on its own. If it was lighting up every ten minutes or so, that means someone was in front of it. Not a hard concept to grasp.

 

[Malkmus]

Are you suggesting that the experts were unable to recognize sleep mode ... when the keyboard and screen sleep?
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Apparently they didn't. So I hope your laughter is directed at the morons who fried the three drives and couldn't recognize a log of the sleep mode.

 

[Malkmus]

I think all .. especially if they're applying for professional positions during summers and for after graduation.
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh: :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I didn't have my first suit until I was 25, and my girlfriend's mother had to buy it for me. This was years after college.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yeah, not everyone is fortunate enough to have the money or the education to apply for "professional jobs," and get suits to interview for them, Malkmus. You might a great point.

I think it's a fallacy to assume every teenager can go to college, graduate, and even interview for a professional job in this economy. I don't think you need to wear a suit to interview for pizza hut, mcdonalds, the car wash, retail sales, etc, either. It's also a fallacy to assume every young adult gets or wants a professional job. You know, I wonder if tyler perry or jim carey, (both whom where homeless before getting acting breaks) had "suits for professional interviews."

I noticed that AK wore what appeared to be zero makeup for her last court appearance. I think that's because she's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't by the world's apparent standards. can you imagine if she actually got her hair done and had on makeup for court?

"GUILTY!!!!!"

 

[Malkmus]

Do you have a link that shows murderers are more likely to dress inappropriately? That'll be a tough study to complete, given that "appropriateness" of dress is subjective.

For all we know, her attorney approved her outfits, assuming they would make her look young and naive.

With Otto's line of thinking are we now supposed to believe that because she's been "dressing appropriately" during the appeals that that means she is no longer irrational or has a screw loose?

I also find it funny how much emphasis is put on the fact that not only did Amanda have the gall to wear a T-shirt to court, but one that read "All You Need Is Love" no less. Now if it had said "Helter Skelter"...

I think it's also important to note that actions such as storming out of a courtroom in mid-session are also considered unprofessional, and we all know who did that. (HINT: It wasn't Amanda)

 

[SMK]

Malkmus : I also find it funny how much emphasis is put on the fact that not only did Amanda have the gall to wear a T-shirt to court, but one that read "All You Need Is Love" no less. Now if it had said "Helter Skelter"...

Right, a message of peace in any case better than a Manson shirt. I read that her father bought that shirt for her as a gift because he knew she liked the Beatles song, and it was Valentine's day. It was new and clean, so she wore it, and with a sweater over it. I think the lettering was too large, and sort of garish. I really think she wore it to please her father. I will admit her new look is sobered-up and more fitting, though: She looks prettier, softer, more serious, sober, and with more depth:

 

[otto]

Last I checked my macbook keyboard doesn't light up on its own. If it was lighting up every ten minutes or so, that means someone was in front of it. Not a hard concept to grasp.

My ASUS laptop keyboard lights up just like it always did ... it lights up when I turn it on, and the light turns off when the computer goes into sleep mode. There's nothing special going on in the logs when this happens.

 

[otto]

I didn't have my first suit until I was 25, and my girlfriend's mother had to buy it for me. This was years after college.

I don't know about college, but the reference was to University. Any student in a degree program leading to a professional career has a suit well before graduation.

 

[SMK]

And this is Frank's conclusion: :waitasec:

Amanda knows what happened, she knows why she was screaming, she knows that the problem is not in Rome, not in a lab. Amanda needs America now, after Italy, to do something; she needs the Embassy to move, for real. It’s really not time for being diplomatic. Not anymore.

Am quoting this again as I am wondering why Frank concludes that the embassy must now make a move. He must have no faith in the appeal, then.....:waitasec:

 

[otto]

Am quoting this again as I am wondering why Frank concludes that the embassy must now make a move. He must have no faith in the appeal, then.....:waitasec:

I think he's trying to say that the conviction was a political, rather than legal, decision, and that the only way to overturn the conviction is for the Embassy to appeal to politicians to intervene. That's seems to be a sweeping statement implying that those in the justice system can be easily influenced by politicians. However, I thought that there was reform in the last 10 years (or so) further separating politics and law (perhaps regarding EU compliance), but I couldn't find a reference (when I looked this morning). I was under the impression that Dr Sollecito's claims that he could make "water run uphill" were based on the pre-reform circumstances and that charges against him for attempting to influence the process of justice through political connections were based on the post-reform circumstances ... but I might be completely mistaken.

 

[SMK]

I think he's trying to say that the conviction was a political, rather than legal, decision, and that the only way to overturn the conviction is for the Embassy to appeal to politicians to intervene. That's seems to be a sweeping statement implying that those in the justice system can be easily influenced by politicians. However, I thought that there was reform in the last 10 years (or so) further separating politics and law (perhaps regarding EU compliance), but I couldn't find a reference (when I looked this morning). I was under the impression that Dr Sollecito's claims that he could make "water run uphill" were based on the pre-reform circumstances and that charges against him for attempting to influence the process of justice through political connections were based on the post-reform circumstances ... but I might be completely mistaken.

Thank you. I do not think the US State Dept. has viewed it this way thus far.....

 

[otto]

Thank you. I do not think the US State Dept. has viewed it this way thus far.....

Cantwell certainly jumped on the idea that political influence could reverse a legal decision, but Clinton seems to be taking a more rational approach.

I think Frank is upset about having his blog shut down and believes that politicians should intervene and silence the prosecutor. However, I don't think he's quite ready to say that prosecutor should be silenced in relation to his legal troubles, so he is saying the prosecutor should be silenced or overruled in relation to the conviction of Raffaele and Amanda. If he can completely discredit the prosecutor, then his legal troubles evaporate.

 

[wasnt_me]

With Otto's line of thinking are we now supposed to believe that because she's been "dressing appropriately" during the appeals that that means she is no longer irrational or has a screw loose?

I guess her new clothes now mean she's innocent, as some have said it's some indicator of culpability